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Tigro (alias?)
Turns out the gig was a a citation Excel and although shortlisted only one person can get the job. Wasn't me. So....on a positive note Im now working in Ops for a company and who knows?
Spoke with the gals at BY H/R and let them know I'm super keen and ready at a seconds notice. Theyre not sure whats going to happen so keep smiling and keep your eye on the ball.
MAX
Turns out the gig was a a citation Excel and although shortlisted only one person can get the job. Wasn't me. So....on a positive note Im now working in Ops for a company and who knows?
Spoke with the gals at BY H/R and let them know I'm super keen and ready at a seconds notice. Theyre not sure whats going to happen so keep smiling and keep your eye on the ball.
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Max,
Good to hear from you sorry about not getting the job.
I myself have gone through the ATP selection process and currently awaiting the outcome.Not sure what I will do if successful, I'll probably wait for Britannia.
Keep in touch, flying over your neck of the woods next friday. Going airways to Jersey with an ILS and MAP onto Guernsey (dropping a mate off)
Have a good one! no TIGRO anymore!
Good to hear from you sorry about not getting the job.
I myself have gone through the ATP selection process and currently awaiting the outcome.Not sure what I will do if successful, I'll probably wait for Britannia.
Keep in touch, flying over your neck of the woods next friday. Going airways to Jersey with an ILS and MAP onto Guernsey (dropping a mate off)
Have a good one! no TIGRO anymore!
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Chinchaser,
As you are on the inside, I need advice on a very hard question.
Well, as you know I was meant to start my type rating on 5th Nov but was made redundant. I am now in the holding pool and await a call. I have also been selected for the ATP scheme through CTC aviation in Southampton. However, to get my type rating with them, I have to do "their" MCC course and pass it, which means shelling out £6K. Passing it isn't an issue with a bit of work, but what would happen if Britannia came good and re-offered me a contract. Do you think Britannia would theoretically buy me back off of CTC, type rated on the 757?
If you were in my position what would you do? I just don't want to be in the position that, I am bonded to CTC with no work placement and Britannia re-offer me a contact.
Cheers for the help! I know it's a hard question to answer!chinchaser
As you are on the inside, I need advice on a very hard question.
Well, as you know I was meant to start my type rating on 5th Nov but was made redundant. I am now in the holding pool and await a call. I have also been selected for the ATP scheme through CTC aviation in Southampton. However, to get my type rating with them, I have to do "their" MCC course and pass it, which means shelling out £6K. Passing it isn't an issue with a bit of work, but what would happen if Britannia came good and re-offered me a contract. Do you think Britannia would theoretically buy me back off of CTC, type rated on the 757?
If you were in my position what would you do? I just don't want to be in the position that, I am bonded to CTC with no work placement and Britannia re-offer me a contact.
Cheers for the help! I know it's a hard question to answer!chinchaser
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Constant speed Du. I am afraid that I cannot give you an answer on this one! Whilst i will try to keep you guys and girls up to speed as best I can, I'm not able to pass judgement on what you are asking. Sorry dude.
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Hey conctant Speed, I know what you mean.
Actually I had applied to the CTC scheme as well but when called for an interview I actually turned it down. My main worry was the money thing. 6K is a lot of money to end end in a holding pool and I am already swimming in one for free so I took the decsion not to go ahead with it. The way I see it is that the day CTC swimmers are called in for placement, chances are that BY will do as well.
Thanks Chinchaser for keeping us updated.
Actually I had applied to the CTC scheme as well but when called for an interview I actually turned it down. My main worry was the money thing. 6K is a lot of money to end end in a holding pool and I am already swimming in one for free so I took the decsion not to go ahead with it. The way I see it is that the day CTC swimmers are called in for placement, chances are that BY will do as well.
Thanks Chinchaser for keeping us updated.
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The Management are meeting with the union rep's today for an update on the situation. I've no idea whether the news will be good, bad or indifferent.
Either way, there should be information available shortly.
Either way, there should be information available shortly.
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Chinchaser,
Thank you for replying. Spoke to Jo today with some questions about the situation I'm in, she's going to get back to me soon.
Also heard from a pilot that there will probably be a course in the Spring. However they'll be looking at type rated pilots first, and not at the hold pool.
Cheers for the updates!!
Thank you for replying. Spoke to Jo today with some questions about the situation I'm in, she's going to get back to me soon.
Also heard from a pilot that there will probably be a course in the Spring. However they'll be looking at type rated pilots first, and not at the hold pool.
Cheers for the updates!!
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The report is now out. There's a lot of information regarding the management side of things, but no decision yet on next years fleet size. I suspect that firm plans will not be made until the new year. If bookings pick up then, you may be in luck.
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sorry to be the bearer of bad news but......
I heard today that JMC have laid off 56 757 rated pilots. Also there are rumours that the whole airline will be folded up in favour of condor (?) airlines the other airline of the parent company or something?
Sorry thats a bit vauge but i'm just passing on what i know!
One hopes that Brits will see the wisdom in continuing to take the hold pool first seeing as we've all already passed the selection and are ready to start tomorrow. However i supose they have to look at the bottom line although these pilots may want to "jump ship" back to JMC if the situation warrents it in the future+plus they may want 'virgin' boys not corrupted by the competition? (or am i just praying too hard???)
anyway fingers crossed.......
PS. i start work at WH Smith today (seriously).
I heard today that JMC have laid off 56 757 rated pilots. Also there are rumours that the whole airline will be folded up in favour of condor (?) airlines the other airline of the parent company or something?
Sorry thats a bit vauge but i'm just passing on what i know!
One hopes that Brits will see the wisdom in continuing to take the hold pool first seeing as we've all already passed the selection and are ready to start tomorrow. However i supose they have to look at the bottom line although these pilots may want to "jump ship" back to JMC if the situation warrents it in the future+plus they may want 'virgin' boys not corrupted by the competition? (or am i just praying too hard???)
anyway fingers crossed.......
PS. i start work at WH Smith today (seriously).
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Rumor, rumor but my JMC mate told me that since Citybird has folded they are now taking over their work. So, the latest was that instead of getting rid of 55, it would be 5. Well, don't know if it will be the case or not but thought it could be at last, good news.
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Constant Speed DU,
I too work for Britannia and agree with what Chinchaser has been saying. Regarding BAL buying you back from the ATP scheme; I can't see it happening. If you have little or no line experience to go with a 757 type rating, BAL would have no option but to put you through our conversion course from scratch. In this particularly challenging job environment, it is very unlikely that any bond paying would happen. Personally, I think that if another job offer came through from BAL then, in your position, I would happily wave goodbye to my £6k. The only other side of this is that if you got an ATP offer from Monarch then this would definitely be a worthwhile alternative.
For those of you that are swimmers in the pool and are hoping to join as Second Officers; have less fear about having your positions usurped by experienced and type-rated people. BAL continue to look for ways of cutting costs and forgive me for this explanation, Second Officers are a bit cheaper than First Officers and all this adds up at the end of the year.
Don't give up hope. However, the company is waiting to see how bookings pick up in December-February before making a final decision regarding Summer 2002 and beyond.
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[ 15 November 2001: Message edited by: shlittlenellie ]
I too work for Britannia and agree with what Chinchaser has been saying. Regarding BAL buying you back from the ATP scheme; I can't see it happening. If you have little or no line experience to go with a 757 type rating, BAL would have no option but to put you through our conversion course from scratch. In this particularly challenging job environment, it is very unlikely that any bond paying would happen. Personally, I think that if another job offer came through from BAL then, in your position, I would happily wave goodbye to my £6k. The only other side of this is that if you got an ATP offer from Monarch then this would definitely be a worthwhile alternative.
For those of you that are swimmers in the pool and are hoping to join as Second Officers; have less fear about having your positions usurped by experienced and type-rated people. BAL continue to look for ways of cutting costs and forgive me for this explanation, Second Officers are a bit cheaper than First Officers and all this adds up at the end of the year.
Don't give up hope. However, the company is waiting to see how bookings pick up in December-February before making a final decision regarding Summer 2002 and beyond.
(edited to add a bit more)
[ 15 November 2001: Message edited by: shlittlenellie ]
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Hang in there guys. I waited 7 years but BY were true to there word and called us first before recruiting new guys/girls. They are a good company to work for and worth the wait.
Good luck
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Hi gang , any one got any news, or are we letting this go quiet!! Unfortunately no change at the moment on the inside, bar awaiting the sales figures in Jan/Feb.
Anything new comes up i'll let you know.
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Anything new comes up i'll let you know.
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Back on line. Sorry for not logging in for ages, but no real news except that I am extremely bored working in a shop.
Chinchaser, thanx for continuing the postings - anymore hot gossip or, is it a wait and see how the bookings are in the New Year?
Anyway, made a decision. Going to the ATP academy in Jan to do the course. This will at least double my chances of proper work and save me from going insane. I know it's alot of money to fork out but after speaking to several TC's within Britannia, I think it is definately the right decision to make. I probably won't be bonded to CTC until Summer which creates a window for Britannia to get back to me.
Anyway guys and girls, keep your head up and lets hope it,s all been a bit of an over reaction on everyone's part.
P.s. If anyone has a friend who is a journalist, please ask them to write an article, telling the general public not to wait until the last minute to book their summer hols as they probably won't get one.
Speak soon!
Constant Speed D U (formerly TIGRO)
Chinchaser, thanx for continuing the postings - anymore hot gossip or, is it a wait and see how the bookings are in the New Year?
Anyway, made a decision. Going to the ATP academy in Jan to do the course. This will at least double my chances of proper work and save me from going insane. I know it's alot of money to fork out but after speaking to several TC's within Britannia, I think it is definately the right decision to make. I probably won't be bonded to CTC until Summer which creates a window for Britannia to get back to me.
Anyway guys and girls, keep your head up and lets hope it,s all been a bit of an over reaction on everyone's part.
P.s. If anyone has a friend who is a journalist, please ask them to write an article, telling the general public not to wait until the last minute to book their summer hols as they probably won't get one.
Speak soon!
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No news on recruitment yet, but the management have just offered us a small pay rise for next year. Hopefully this is an indication that things are going to plan, and the bookings are not down too much at this stage.
Considering some of the opposition are taking pay cuts, I was astounded to be offered anything at all!
Constant Speed DU - go and do the ATP thing, and worry about the bond later! Easy to say I know, but in your position, I'd grasp any oportunity going.
Considering some of the opposition are taking pay cuts, I was astounded to be offered anything at all!
Constant Speed DU - go and do the ATP thing, and worry about the bond later! Easy to say I know, but in your position, I'd grasp any oportunity going.