New Visa Requirements for Training in the U.S.A.
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Slim_slag,
I have visited Ground Zero and most certainly will never forget the scenes from 911. But this forum isn’t for politics so lets not go there.
I think that there is a vast difference between a suitably qualified CPL/ATP holder looking to do a type rating in an aircraft above 12,500 lbs and Joe Soap or a PPL holder asking to fly an airliner. Flight schools should be able to profile those who are qualified for the task and those who are not. The solution to this problem isn’t to stop people training; it has more to do with improving airport and aircraft security.
I recently chatted with a FSB instructor, they were in the process of completing their last scheduled B777/B744 for this year. They had at least one airline that was moving it’s training to Europe and having the FAA fly to Europe to conduct the type ratings! Surely this is a financial loss to an American company?
Mutt.
I have visited Ground Zero and most certainly will never forget the scenes from 911. But this forum isn’t for politics so lets not go there.
I think that there is a vast difference between a suitably qualified CPL/ATP holder looking to do a type rating in an aircraft above 12,500 lbs and Joe Soap or a PPL holder asking to fly an airliner. Flight schools should be able to profile those who are qualified for the task and those who are not. The solution to this problem isn’t to stop people training; it has more to do with improving airport and aircraft security.
I recently chatted with a FSB instructor, they were in the process of completing their last scheduled B777/B744 for this year. They had at least one airline that was moving it’s training to Europe and having the FAA fly to Europe to conduct the type ratings! Surely this is a financial loss to an American company?
Mutt.
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mutt
I think that there is a vast difference between a suitably qualified CPL/ATP holder looking to do a type rating in an aircraft above 12,500 lbs and Joe Soap or a PPL holder asking to fly an airliner.
I would disagree with that, I do not think one should discriminate based upon what is written on your licence, but obviously the powers that be agree with you
As cross check stated
are treated differently.
Flight schools should be able to profile those who are qualified for the task and those who are not
Flight schools do not have that expertise, and I bet they don't want to get involved in that either. Surely if people are going to be background checked the appropriate agency is governmental? I think the checks need to be made more efficient and user-friendly, but if you read the document cited by cross check the US Government is aware of that too
The US wants people to train here for 'reasons of National Security', they can keep an eye on what they see as potential future terrorists. If they drive jet training offshore, they have reduced visibility of these people.
it has more to do with improving airport and aircraft security. Surely the best way to secure an aircraft is to secure the pilots? As we are constantly reminded by pilots objecting to searches at the security barrier, they can bring a plane down without a nail clipper. Surely it makes sense to look at the people who are training to fly large jets?
They had at least one airline that was moving it’s training to Europe and having the FAA fly to Europe to conduct the type ratings!
Was this because of this new security clause, or something else. Seems a bit of an over-reaction if it's due to background checks. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Read the documents and you will see that if you have an FAA type rating issued overseas, you still need the security clearance. The scenario you described does not avoid this.
Surely this is a financial loss to an American company?
Sounds like it. But is it related to the security issue? This could be due to all sorts of things.
Cheers
I think that there is a vast difference between a suitably qualified CPL/ATP holder looking to do a type rating in an aircraft above 12,500 lbs and Joe Soap or a PPL holder asking to fly an airliner.
I would disagree with that, I do not think one should discriminate based upon what is written on your licence, but obviously the powers that be agree with you
As cross check stated
Foreign nationals who are current and qualified as pilot in command, second in command, or flight engineer with respective certificates with ratings recognized by the United States for aircraft with a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 12,500 pounds or more, or who are currently employed by U.S. air carriers as pilots on aircraft with a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 12,500 pounds or more.
Flight schools should be able to profile those who are qualified for the task and those who are not
Flight schools do not have that expertise, and I bet they don't want to get involved in that either. Surely if people are going to be background checked the appropriate agency is governmental? I think the checks need to be made more efficient and user-friendly, but if you read the document cited by cross check the US Government is aware of that too
The US wants people to train here for 'reasons of National Security', they can keep an eye on what they see as potential future terrorists. If they drive jet training offshore, they have reduced visibility of these people.
it has more to do with improving airport and aircraft security. Surely the best way to secure an aircraft is to secure the pilots? As we are constantly reminded by pilots objecting to searches at the security barrier, they can bring a plane down without a nail clipper. Surely it makes sense to look at the people who are training to fly large jets?
They had at least one airline that was moving it’s training to Europe and having the FAA fly to Europe to conduct the type ratings!
Was this because of this new security clause, or something else. Seems a bit of an over-reaction if it's due to background checks. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Read the documents and you will see that if you have an FAA type rating issued overseas, you still need the security clearance. The scenario you described does not avoid this.
Surely this is a financial loss to an American company?
Sounds like it. But is it related to the security issue? This could be due to all sorts of things.
Cheers
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Hey Slim_slag,
I was lucky enough to do B737 sim training in the USA late last year. As I don’t have any plans to go back there, these new regulations don’t affect me.
I’m therefore bugging out of this discussion, I enjoyed it, thanks.
Cheers
Mutt.
I was lucky enough to do B737 sim training in the USA late last year. As I don’t have any plans to go back there, these new regulations don’t affect me.
I’m therefore bugging out of this discussion, I enjoyed it, thanks.
Cheers
Mutt.
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It's a complete F!@k up!!
Cross Check,
Believe me mate, you are not the only one caught up in this fiasco.I know all too well what a mess it has become and might have a little bit more info for you. I'm an Aussie that's been in the US for the last 4 years and held a green card for the last 12 months. A month ago I got offered a job flying a CRJ for a United Express carrier, only problem is they can't give me a class date because of all the new security checks.
Here's what I've been able to find out from various sources, one of them being the guy in charge of the FBI task force assigned to this, the other being an Assistant US Attorney General. As things stand you CANNOT start training of any sort for an A/C over 12,500, unless you are a US citizen or are already current and qualified in something over 12,500. If you are, you still have to go through a security check, although it is "expedited".
The Flight Training Candidate Checks programme is only up and running at the moment so that those who want to comment on it, can. As far as I know the web site is only to be used by those wishing to train on something over 12,500. If you've tried to use it you'll have found that it is aimed more at those coming to the US to train on a Visa, rather than those who are already here with a green card. I did send them an e-mail outlining some problems that I would have using the system and received a reply the next day. It was implied that the site would be up and running properly at the end of the 30 day "Public Comment" period.
Once up and running this is how it'll work. Firstly you submit all information via the online application. The DOJ then have 45 days to deny your application for training. If they do you can appeal but god only knows how long that will take. At the end of the 45 days, if you haven't been denied, you can begin training. Although the DOJ reserves the right to suspend your training at any time.
Although I completely understand the reasoning behind all the new security procedures, it does seem that this has all been a knee jerk reaction rather than well thought out. Considering all the background checks you have to go through to get a job with a US carrier, I would be suprised if any would be terrorist would go to the trouble. Yet, would-be airline pilots are the first group to have been legislated against.
So for now I'm flying Seminoles......
Believe me mate, you are not the only one caught up in this fiasco.I know all too well what a mess it has become and might have a little bit more info for you. I'm an Aussie that's been in the US for the last 4 years and held a green card for the last 12 months. A month ago I got offered a job flying a CRJ for a United Express carrier, only problem is they can't give me a class date because of all the new security checks.
Here's what I've been able to find out from various sources, one of them being the guy in charge of the FBI task force assigned to this, the other being an Assistant US Attorney General. As things stand you CANNOT start training of any sort for an A/C over 12,500, unless you are a US citizen or are already current and qualified in something over 12,500. If you are, you still have to go through a security check, although it is "expedited".
The Flight Training Candidate Checks programme is only up and running at the moment so that those who want to comment on it, can. As far as I know the web site is only to be used by those wishing to train on something over 12,500. If you've tried to use it you'll have found that it is aimed more at those coming to the US to train on a Visa, rather than those who are already here with a green card. I did send them an e-mail outlining some problems that I would have using the system and received a reply the next day. It was implied that the site would be up and running properly at the end of the 30 day "Public Comment" period.
Once up and running this is how it'll work. Firstly you submit all information via the online application. The DOJ then have 45 days to deny your application for training. If they do you can appeal but god only knows how long that will take. At the end of the 45 days, if you haven't been denied, you can begin training. Although the DOJ reserves the right to suspend your training at any time.
Although I completely understand the reasoning behind all the new security procedures, it does seem that this has all been a knee jerk reaction rather than well thought out. Considering all the background checks you have to go through to get a job with a US carrier, I would be suprised if any would be terrorist would go to the trouble. Yet, would-be airline pilots are the first group to have been legislated against.
So for now I'm flying Seminoles......
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Does time really fly??
mutt - I have three words for you mate "You lucky ba***rd" 
slim - I wish it were so easy to wait the 45 days, but at this stage that only applies to all the qualified folks in this world which leaves me standing in the aerobridge (errr...jetway) inhaling the jet fumes (and renigging on a job lead).
You're quite correct about the US citizens/Nationals not requiring a security check, just show a passport or birth cert (why should you guys get off easy ... look at McVeigh, et al) - I have since ammended my error. You're quite right though, reading between the lines, the powers that be would like nothing more than to have the opportunity to train every heavy jet pilot on this planet if they could, just to have the opportunity to conduct a security check on each one and see if they're terrorist material. Since they can't they'll just get as many of us as they can.
kenny - Yeah know howya feel mate, up s**t creek without a paddle. It's a pity (in your case) that PR cannot even qualify you as a local . The security check doesn't bother me in the least. All they're gonna find, other than being a fine upstanding Aussie who served his country, is that I got my first licence in the US 11 years ago, went to elementary school and college here, have held numerous visas, have five relatives (either citizens or PRs) here, have four other relatives educated (Uni) here, and my grandfather was a US State Dept Vice-Consul to the Orient... and do you think it makes that slightest scrap of difference??? Bollocks!?! I can't even apply for PR (not that I was after it anyway). As long as the DoJ doesn't keep moving the goal posts my only option now is to tick off and get a 5700kg rating somewhere else in the world (anyone know of a reasonable KingAir 350 operator???) and then come back and knock on the door as a (dare I say it 
) professional pilot 
. Alternatively I'll just have to take my business to Canada for example. Time doesn't wait for anybody, not me and certainly not the DoJ. Wish you all the best, hopefully something will come up soon - maybe you could add 4500kg to your Seminole . Keep in touch. Do you drink Coopers? I've got 2 Pale Ale stubbies left !
slim - I wish it were so easy to wait the 45 days, but at this stage that only applies to all the qualified folks in this world which leaves me standing in the aerobridge (errr...jetway) inhaling the jet fumes (and renigging on a job lead).
You're quite correct about the US citizens/Nationals not requiring a security check, just show a passport or birth cert (why should you guys get off easy ... look at McVeigh, et al) - I have since ammended my error. You're quite right though, reading between the lines, the powers that be would like nothing more than to have the opportunity to train every heavy jet pilot on this planet if they could, just to have the opportunity to conduct a security check on each one and see if they're terrorist material. Since they can't they'll just get as many of us as they can.kenny - Yeah know howya feel mate, up s**t creek without a paddle. It's a pity (in your case) that PR cannot even qualify you as a local
. The security check doesn't bother me in the least. All they're gonna find, other than being a fine upstanding Aussie who served his country, is that I got my first licence in the US 11 years ago, went to elementary school and college here, have held numerous visas, have five relatives (either citizens or PRs) here, have four other relatives educated (Uni) here, and my grandfather was a US State Dept Vice-Consul to the Orient... and do you think it makes that slightest scrap of difference??? Bollocks!?! I can't even apply for PR (not that I was after it anyway). As long as the DoJ doesn't keep moving the goal posts my only option now is to tick off and get a 5700kg rating somewhere else in the world (anyone know of a reasonable KingAir 350 operator???) and then come back and knock on the door as a (dare I say it ) professional pilot . Alternatively I'll just have to take my business to Canada for example. Time doesn't wait for anybody, not me and certainly not the DoJ. Wish you all the best, hopefully something will come up soon - maybe you could add 4500kg to your Seminole . Keep in touch. Do you drink Coopers? I've got 2 Pale Ale stubbies left !
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Cheers Mate
Cross Check,
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I can only say that I think that these new regulations, as they apply to Green Card holders and those trying to gain emplyment with US carriers, are a complete load of b@#locks.
Now I know I'm biased but I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head in your post. If there's nothing to stop you or I from going overseas to get a type rating and then come back here, then any loony with half a brain can do it. Yet, the DOJ seems to think that's OK. In fact, I'm thinking about going back to OZ to get a Metro 3 type rating and then come back here. Although the $4000 US is far more than I really want to spend.
I re-read the propsal last night and it would seem that when the system is up and running, that all applicants have to be finger printed at their own cost. Which I understand for those coming here on a Visa. However I've been finger printed 4 times in the last 18 months; 3 times for my green card and once for my National Air Transportation Association ID card. All of which were checked against the FBI files and stored on their database. Now can anyone see something wrong with that?
Sorry for the rant but the last 3 weeks have been the most frustrating so far. Anytime you're down in Florida I'll gladly take you up on your offer of a Coopers.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I can only say that I think that these new regulations, as they apply to Green Card holders and those trying to gain emplyment with US carriers, are a complete load of b@#locks.
Now I know I'm biased but I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head in your post. If there's nothing to stop you or I from going overseas to get a type rating and then come back here, then any loony with half a brain can do it. Yet, the DOJ seems to think that's OK. In fact, I'm thinking about going back to OZ to get a Metro 3 type rating and then come back here. Although the $4000 US is far more than I really want to spend.
I re-read the propsal last night and it would seem that when the system is up and running, that all applicants have to be finger printed at their own cost. Which I understand for those coming here on a Visa. However I've been finger printed 4 times in the last 18 months; 3 times for my green card and once for my National Air Transportation Association ID card. All of which were checked against the FBI files and stored on their database. Now can anyone see something wrong with that?
Sorry for the rant but the last 3 weeks have been the most frustrating so far. Anytime you're down in Florida I'll gladly take you up on your offer of a Coopers.
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From: europe
why INS doesnt open a school and train themself pilots???
would be easier for everybody, no?
or just shut down the FAA and sell planes in africa, and take the train.
they can build vaccum subways on a magnetic rail.
trains will cruise at 500km/h
would be easier for everybody, no?
or just shut down the FAA and sell planes in africa, and take the train.
they can build vaccum subways on a magnetic rail.
trains will cruise at 500km/h
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Check out www.go-2-usa.com
Considering the hassle that you guys are going through, this site made me laugh......
Mutt.
Considering the hassle that you guys are going through, this site made me laugh......
Mutt.
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The Oracle
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On the Fourth of July Saddam's stepson tried to enter the country in order to do flight training. Here is the article and a quote.
Saddam's stepson arrested in Miami on immigration charges
Take Care,
Capt. Richard J. Gentil, Pres.
Naples Air Center, Inc.
Saddam's stepson arrested in Miami on immigration charges
Saddam Hussein's stepson was arrested Wednesday on immigration charges in Florida, where he had enrolled to take classes at a flight school, federal authorities said.
According to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the Iraqi leader's stepson was traveling as a tourist and had not applied for a student visa that would have allowed him to take courses.
According to the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the Iraqi leader's stepson was traveling as a tourist and had not applied for a student visa that would have allowed him to take courses.
Capt. Richard J. Gentil, Pres.
Naples Air Center, Inc.
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renewals/bfr's
I live in the Uk but have a CFI/MEI ticket which I recently renewed stateside. When it comes to renewal for this will I have to get a visa in order to attend my seminar or checkride renewal?
Also, where does this leave Gleim ATP books etc and the computer ground school courses which can be purchased and the exams conducted overseas via computer?
I conduct numerous BFR renewals over here and there was also significant interest in FAA flight training being conducted in the UK, believe it or not by existing JAR flight schools.
How will this be dealt with?
Does this mean the end of internet CFI renewal clinics?
Also, where does this leave Gleim ATP books etc and the computer ground school courses which can be purchased and the exams conducted overseas via computer?
I conduct numerous BFR renewals over here and there was also significant interest in FAA flight training being conducted in the UK, believe it or not by existing JAR flight schools.
How will this be dealt with?
Does this mean the end of internet CFI renewal clinics?
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The Oracle
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aztruck,
Right now a BFR does not require a Visa. You are doing a BFR for currency not to add a rating or licence. There are people in the government that want it to require Visa but there is also a strong voice saying it should not require one.
Your renewal of your CFI is under the same type of operation as a BFR, so for now you do not require a Visa, unless you let your CFI lapse.
FAA training outside the U.S.A. is still allowed. You will still be able to take computer testing outside the U.S.A. same as prior to April 12th.
Take Care,
Capt. Richard J. Gentil, Pres.
Naples Air Center, Inc.
Right now a BFR does not require a Visa. You are doing a BFR for currency not to add a rating or licence. There are people in the government that want it to require Visa but there is also a strong voice saying it should not require one.
Your renewal of your CFI is under the same type of operation as a BFR, so for now you do not require a Visa, unless you let your CFI lapse.
FAA training outside the U.S.A. is still allowed. You will still be able to take computer testing outside the U.S.A. same as prior to April 12th.
Take Care,
Capt. Richard J. Gentil, Pres.
Naples Air Center, Inc.
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mr aztruc,
I did my renewal cfi with americanflyer (on line).it s 100$ one payment then it's FREE...yes yes!no BS, give a look at their web site.I did it and I am very satisfied.I had just to stay online 16 h and reply to some easy questions.
I did my renewal cfi with americanflyer (on line).it s 100$ one payment then it's FREE...yes yes!no BS, give a look at their web site.I did it and I am very satisfied.I had just to stay online 16 h and reply to some easy questions.
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Thanks Gorky. I already did the renewal via a checkride in California. the weather was just too good to sit in a seminar for 2 days!! Does anyone know of any restrictions regarding FAA examiners operating outside of the US? I ask because I have a couple of guys in Spain would like to do a Commercial rating over here(in the UK) but I cant find an examiner. I'm wondering whether to fly one in because the demand would be incredible for upgrade ratings(Cpl's, Multi's, IR's etc).
Are designees geographically limited?
Are designees geographically limited?
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aztruck - I do a lot of work with the FAA office in Orlando.
I did a "search" of FAA DPE's (designated pilot examiners) about twelve months ago when the question came up on ppriune before.
The guys in the office tell me that the DPE authorisation IS geographic - if you are an Orlando DPE you cannot test in Miami, etc. etc.
Each examiner has the right to REQUEST a special authorisation from Oklahoma to do "external testing".
When I mentioned that I had been, personally, to an FAA DPE in Frankfurt many years ago, I was told that "under the previous regime, DPE's were based all around the globe - but the current man in charge is not replacing any DPE from outside the USA - if he is still there, he can continue - if he retires, the place is lost.
I think Frankfurt still has a DPE - but the UK does not.
I did a "search" of FAA DPE's (designated pilot examiners) about twelve months ago when the question came up on ppriune before.
The guys in the office tell me that the DPE authorisation IS geographic - if you are an Orlando DPE you cannot test in Miami, etc. etc.
Each examiner has the right to REQUEST a special authorisation from Oklahoma to do "external testing".
When I mentioned that I had been, personally, to an FAA DPE in Frankfurt many years ago, I was told that "under the previous regime, DPE's were based all around the globe - but the current man in charge is not replacing any DPE from outside the USA - if he is still there, he can continue - if he retires, the place is lost.
I think Frankfurt still has a DPE - but the UK does not.
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Naples: Thanks for your informative replies. More questions if you don't mind.
Why was it necessary to arrest, handcuff and deport (probably ban further visits to the US as a result) the guy from NZ and another from Aus, who were only trying to attend courses they had booked and paid for. Those guys entered the US on valid visas, or visa waiver, and were entitled to stay on a visit, after all. So they were not entitled any longer to attend the course, since they did not have a student visa. Why not just turn them away, say "have a good holiday" and leave it at that? Why the handcuffs? Why the treatment as a criminal? One of them was reported to have Dept of Justice approval for the course, and as I said, both were entitled to stay in the US, even if they could not attend the course. Can you picture the outrage if a US citizen was to be treated this way in Aus or NZ?
I have a US wife, and she is brainwashed to the point that she does not share my outrage. She says "if it stops another 9/11 it is worth doing, even if some people get hurt." I should not phrase it this way, perhaps, but how can anyone who has a brain bigger than a mouse's brain possibly think that this latest knee-jerk action will improve security? All it will do is drive possible customers of US flight training schools to go elsewhere and cost the US economy lots of money. The problem now is the same as before 9/11: identifying problem individuals and stopping THEM from entering the US in the first place. You'd better believe that when it starts to bite the policy will be changed to just as it was before. 45 days or more to wait for approval to attend a 3 day refresher? Ridiculous.
I have, over the last few years, gotten a US ATP multi and single, CFI and have done the written for the CFII. I was hoping to do the flight chek for this soon. I am in the US on an I 95 (crew visa), not a B1/B2, once or twice a month. My aim is to be prepared for a job in the US once I get the green card ( not in a rush for this but maybe in a year or two). Will I be able to do the flight training and flight check for this certificate now? For me it will not be a formal course, but it will be done a day or two at a time until I am ready for the check ride, and will of course use airplanes less than 12,500 lb.
Appreciate the advice...
Why was it necessary to arrest, handcuff and deport (probably ban further visits to the US as a result) the guy from NZ and another from Aus, who were only trying to attend courses they had booked and paid for. Those guys entered the US on valid visas, or visa waiver, and were entitled to stay on a visit, after all. So they were not entitled any longer to attend the course, since they did not have a student visa. Why not just turn them away, say "have a good holiday" and leave it at that? Why the handcuffs? Why the treatment as a criminal? One of them was reported to have Dept of Justice approval for the course, and as I said, both were entitled to stay in the US, even if they could not attend the course. Can you picture the outrage if a US citizen was to be treated this way in Aus or NZ?
I have a US wife, and she is brainwashed to the point that she does not share my outrage. She says "if it stops another 9/11 it is worth doing, even if some people get hurt." I should not phrase it this way, perhaps, but how can anyone who has a brain bigger than a mouse's brain possibly think that this latest knee-jerk action will improve security? All it will do is drive possible customers of US flight training schools to go elsewhere and cost the US economy lots of money. The problem now is the same as before 9/11: identifying problem individuals and stopping THEM from entering the US in the first place. You'd better believe that when it starts to bite the policy will be changed to just as it was before. 45 days or more to wait for approval to attend a 3 day refresher? Ridiculous.
I have, over the last few years, gotten a US ATP multi and single, CFI and have done the written for the CFII. I was hoping to do the flight chek for this soon. I am in the US on an I 95 (crew visa), not a B1/B2, once or twice a month. My aim is to be prepared for a job in the US once I get the green card ( not in a rush for this but maybe in a year or two). Will I be able to do the flight training and flight check for this certificate now? For me it will not be a formal course, but it will be done a day or two at a time until I am ready for the check ride, and will of course use airplanes less than 12,500 lb.
Appreciate the advice...
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boof -
actually, other than a US Citizen, no one is entitled to enter the United States.
Even when you get your desired Green Card, the INS officer at the port of entry can refuse your entrance to the United States.
You have no rights or entitlements what-so-ever.
Two points on your training, whilst here - firstly you may find that (next year [rules are about to change again]) even your crew visa will not allow you to attend a training course whilst in the USA and, secondly, if you read the endless messages about the current siuation, they are for training on aircraft over 12,500 pounds - so your message is somewhat moot.
Last bit - why on Earth did you address such a question as "Why was it necessary to ban the family member of a known International terrorist from entering the United States" - to a flying school in Florida?? This may be a question for Immigration. Try www.doj.gov
and were entitled to stay on a visit
Even when you get your desired Green Card, the INS officer at the port of entry can refuse your entrance to the United States.
You have no rights or entitlements what-so-ever.
Two points on your training, whilst here - firstly you may find that (next year [rules are about to change again]) even your crew visa will not allow you to attend a training course whilst in the USA and, secondly, if you read the endless messages about the current siuation, they are for training on aircraft over 12,500 pounds - so your message is somewhat moot.
Last bit - why on Earth did you address such a question as "Why was it necessary to ban the family member of a known International terrorist from entering the United States" - to a flying school in Florida?? This may be a question for Immigration. Try www.doj.gov
The Bumblebee
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From: Inside the shiny tube.
I know it is a controversial topic and I better stay away from it but I found something on the internet and thought may be someone (Cross Check/Gone West/Kenny/Richard?) can shed some light on it. You may want to visit Department of State website (http://www.travel.state.gov/foreign_...s_handout.html) to read more.
Regards,
Jatin
Regards,
Jatin