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My dream - advice please (collective thread)

Old 1st Apr 2021, 11:06
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Hi and thanks for your reply .
I have done a lot of research and thought about it a lot .
I have got to be honest with myself , I am not too old but not that young either so I prefer to do it the quickest way. Also knowing the person I am , I'm scared by choosing modular I might take my time to finish each stage of the training or even get distracted and not finish it at all and just stay in my comfort zone which is a place I can not afford to be in at the moment .

So I said to myself what is the point in trying to save money then risk wasting whatever money and time I spend on the modular course without even finishing it or at least finishing at a reasonable time.

I know the pressure of integrated will bring the best out of me and also the guilt of spending the money will push me to do all my best to hopefully pass all exams first time and with good scores .

And as I mentioned in my previous post I have to choose a school that does the entire training in the UK , FTA ticks all the boxes for me so I have decided to go with FTA's integrated course starting in September.

Yes £90k is a lot of money but luckily I have the cash ready which is more than half of my life saving and fortunately I have a stable source of monthly income as well which help me to completely focus on my training without having to worry about finance while I am studying and training .
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Old 1st Apr 2021, 16:37
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Good for you, I hope you enjoy it. Shoreham is very nice and FTA have a good reputation
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 17:26
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Advice for Brit becoming Airline Pilot in USA

I am at the beginning of my journey and conducting as much research as I can. I have 0 flying hours.

I am 25, live in the UK, have £15k savings and potentially further finance available from family. I have 2 goals:
1. To become a Commercial Airline Pilot
2. To emigrate to the USA

Considering my goals what course of action seems to be the best (bearing in mind money is tight):
a) Train for FAA License in the US, then apply for work permit/residence.
b) Train for FAA License in Europe, then apply for US work permit/residence.
c) Train for EASA in Europe, get some experience here, then apply for US work permit/residence + License conversion.
d) Train for EASA in US, get some experience in Europe, then apply for US work permit/residence + License conversion.
e) Another route

Thanks in advance, any other advice or experience you feel would be valuable is greatly appreciated.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 18:34
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Go to the USA, train there for FAA and EASA, marry an American (solves work permit issues) and live your dream.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 19:29
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Advice for Brit becoming Airline Pilot in USA.

Unfortunately this one for the crysyal ball, frankly trying to give advice to answer your question is in my estimation impossible.15000 is not gonna go anywhere on the U.S.
please dont forget that COVIT 19 HAS DECMZIMATED the U.S. airline industry.,there pilote taking any jobs just to get by and furlougbed guys literally dont see any light at the end of the tunnel,it is estimated that could be up to 5 years for pilot employment to pick up. Also dont forget allnthe highly guys with years of experience on all types of military aircraft all plesding to get hired.
unfortunately the cuture is bleak.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but those are the stark facts.also dont forget all the guys coming outa flight school and there will literally be thousands and thousands with Ll the qualifications looking for jobsp.
my aologies for being long winded i.m outa Chicago and get all the news.
Best of luck to you,l but pls be carefull.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 19:42
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1. As I understand it getting a work permit on the basis of being a British citizen wanting to be an airline pilot in the US, pre-Covid was difficult enough...it certainly wasn't something that many people managed to achieve. KARNAK66 has explained why getting a work permit now or in the foreseeable future is going to be mighty mighty tough.. eckhard's solution isn't that far fetched...

2. Even getting experience in mainland Europe (specifically one of the EU states) now we are post Brexit could be difficult unless you have the right to live and work in the EU.

3. In the short term you might want to look at UK/CAA/EASA options in the short term whilst the fallout from Covid manifests itself and we get some idea how/when recruitment anywhere is going to pick up.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 19:46
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Advice for Brit becoming Airline pilot in USA.

PS one last piece of advice, there is not a FLIGHT SCHOOL IN THE WORLD THAT CAN GUARANTEE YOU A JOB WITH THE AiRLINES THAT IS HOT AIR,
its the Almighty Dollar they are after.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 21:04
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Originally Posted by wiggy
1. As I understand it getting a work permit on the basis of being a British citizen wanting to be an airline pilot in the US, pre-Covid was difficult enough...
Interesting to hear, I was under the impression, from various different things I'd read/watched, that there was a bit of a pilot shortage?

As far as the current (COVID) situation goes, I wouldn't be qualified with enough flying hours for 2 - 5+ years, by which point I was hopeful that demand would be closer to pre-covid levels. I am very competitive and motivated so would be willing to do whatever it takes to land a job, even if it involved working in an unappealing job for some time to gain experience.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 21:57
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Your timeline on hiring is way off. United is now interviewing for pilots to start in May. Delta just posted a training entitlement that will leave them 350 pilots short and is expected to start interviews late summer. They have notified all conditional job offer pilots who never started to expect June or July class starts. Frontier is currently hiring and Sprit is expected to start soon.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 23:24
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Ref: KARNAK 66 and Sailvi767 - usual story, ask two people and get five answers ! Best of luck.

My only experience, and not relevant now of course, was - married to an American, and holding two foreign ATPL's and I.R's ( one UK ) with over 20,000 hours airline experience and wanting to fly after retirement, was to be only granted a CPL stamped " Not for hire or reward " . That did of course allow me to fly recreationally, anything else would have taken a lot of time, and money. I would take eckhard's advice, with the addendum - marry a rich American.

Best of luck, best job in the World.
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Old 17th Apr 2021, 23:56
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Go to Vegas and marry the first drunk granny. The slope goes down hill from there. Might as well get flight training paid for.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 01:51
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15000 will get you a Private + living expenses.
Thats it.
Youíre looking at $65k-$75k in training cost alone.
$85k-$90k after living expenses and tickets and such.
Do Not and I repeat DO NOT put this burden on your family.
Its your dream and not theirs.
Itís not fair to draw them into something that they have no clue about.
In any case there is no such thing as a work permit for a pilot.
You have two major problems, no work permit and no money.
Thatís not magically going to fix itself.

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Old 18th Apr 2021, 13:17
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Originally Posted by Sailvi767
wiggy

Your timeline on hiring is way off. United is now interviewing for pilots to start in May.
Interesting, that's good news, thanks, though I guess it might not help the OP.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 14:15
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Learning to fly in the US is a great idea, and you can get all the training done for less than £30k. The problem is you cannot just emigrate to the US. It is effectively impossible for a UK citizen. You will basically need to get married to a US citizen to stand a chance.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 03:42
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Question non EU citizen low hour pilot find a job?

Greetings! I'm an aspiring wannabe pilot from Morocco! I posses a vehement ardour for flight, and It hurts me to think I have a very slim chance of becoming one. I don't have an EU citizenship; and I was looking through the low hour FO job requirements for multiple airlines, they all request the unrestricted right to live and work in the EU... For reference, I still haven't started my training; and I'm willing to get a frozen ATPL when the skies are friendlier. I heard Wizz Air used to employ international low hour pilots, but looking in their website; it seems they changed it, Any ideas or workarounds for my drawback? maybe getting a work visa or something alike? Please let me know, thanks in advance.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 21:04
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No EU citizenship no party.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 22:00
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That's pretty depressing, might as well be a simulator pilot the rest of my life . Do all low hour opportunities require an EU citizenship? If so it's pretty much impossible for me to become a pilot even American airlines require citizenships... Maybe middle eastern airlines? But they need a high amount of experience no? I'm in an endless maze...
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Old 3rd May 2021, 22:56
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Why not Moroccan airlines?
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Old 4th May 2021, 11:29
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Fellow wannabe, 0.5 hrs on a c152, residing in ME in an unpopular local state of which its legitimacy is doubted upon by many (I doubt it myself)
Standing in the same square as yourself, my idea is to start the PPL in EU zone, and after getting my bearings aligned with what country in the EU is most inviting (currently EE region looks inviting, but it has its downsides) I would work on a CPL and start working on getting a work permit. Once you have a work permit and get an actual job (don't mind being an expensive Air Uber), work your hours, and at the same time starting checking boxes on your "citizenship to do list" for that country.
Most countries, from what little research I did, require you to live in that country for a minimum time, even with a tempo access as a student or Gaestarbeiter, then there's the language barrier, which is almost always required for citizenship (but afaik not for residence permit)
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Old 4th May 2021, 14:14
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there's just one Moroccan airline sadly, and I was willing to path towards its cadet program although it's somewhat irrational (one of its requirements is to undergo a 2 year preparatory class with sophisticated mathematics and physics that'll serve you no value as a commercial pilot, they're pretty hard to get into as well; also there's huge bias in the selection process and it's mainly not out of merit) That aside, due to the pandemic; they sacked half their fleet and illegally fired half the pilot, and pretty much abandoned the cadet pilots. It's a pretty dire situation. The cadet program doesn't exist anymore and to join the airline you need to be a CAE Oxford Aviation Academy graduate and have a lot of experience hence it's a traditional airline. Therefore Moroccan airlines are sadly not an option in the near future by the looks of things.
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