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My dream - advice please (collective thread)

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My dream - advice please (collective thread)

Old 12th Mar 2016, 21:13
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From a perspective of someone who is not a pilot yet, but has started the same road and reading replies with interest I have this question, if you answer yes the same as me then your answer is obvious.

Some mornings I have roughly 5 blissful seconds where I think of nothing but the fact I'm alive and have no worries. Then all of a sudden my brain switches on and I begin to think of how I'm going to pay for my CPL etc,what I need to do, how long its going to take, how I can help myself, what is the right path throughout my training and how I can speed it up to achieve my dream of flying.

From this point on I research topics, learn my ppl books for my exams, stress that I might not be able to do the ATPL theory, how much its all going to cost, how I can make more money to speed up my training and the absolute abject fear I cannot do it, up until my head hurts and I need a break. This takes me until 5pm. After this I practice on flight sim, think some more, run through my procedures for my PPL check ride. Then when I get into bed it is the very last thing I think about and how good it will be in a few years time to be stood in that uniform flying something, and hope and pray nothing upsets this plan and dream and all the effort ive put in and will continue to put in. This happens every single day of the week, no matter what.

If this is your day then yes you want to be a pilot, more than anything in the world.
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 08:20
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I think that is all natural concerns James, I am the same as you and currently well into my PPL (around 27 hours).
Every day I think I am spending a huge mortgage deposit on this and the risks are huge but you have to take the risk and a calculated leap of faith sometimes.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 15:47
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Just "fell" over this thread here in the forum. I admit, I shared his thoughts sometimes, especially on my job which kept me away for weeks at a time.

Read by yourself. And don't forget, something that is new and interesting now might be boring and repetitive after a few years....

http://www.pprune.org/questions/5754...ould-like.html


I am especially interested in that discussion because my oldest son want's to become a pilot as well. I tried everything to talk him out of this, I guess I will let him read obove thread. I hope that makes him think and he decides for a "proper" profession(no offence intended, but older chaps will know what I mean).
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Old 13th Mar 2016, 20:52
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Opinions on my chosen pathway?

Hi Everyone,

First and foremost, my name is Jason and I have only recently joined the forums, although I have been lurking in the background reading posts and information for quite some time now.

I have recently immigrated from Australia to London and am looking to undertake my coveted Professional Pilots License. As I am not British (Irish by birth) and I do not own property, getting a loan for my training is out of the question, so I am looking down the pathway of the modular training route. I have spent the last few months researching different options, school and fees so that I can properly plan my journey and was hoping that perhaps some of you may be able to have a quick look over it to make sure I haven't missed anything?

I know there are many threads on the forum about training options, and I have read as many as I can find, however I just wanted to make sure that my decision was in line with these and that I haven't left anything out.

So without further delay, here we are:
Stage 1 - PPL

Location - Stapleford Flight Centre

Cost Breakdown -
Exam Fees - 180
Joining Fee - 15
Membership Fee - 100
Medical Fee - 350
45 Prepaid Hours - 6534

Total - 7179
Estimated Completion Length - 4 months if I able to fly every second weekend

Stage 2 - Night Flying Rating

Location - Stapleford Flight Centre

Cost Breakdown -
3 Hours Dual Cessna 152 - 498
3 Hours Solo Cessna 152 - 435
Take off & Landing Costs - 500

Total - 1433
Estimated Completion Length - 1 month based of the same parameters as above

Stage 3 - Beginning Modular Training

Location - CTC Flight School

Course - Module 1

Cost Breakdown -
APTL Theory & First Exam Attempt - 5950

Estimated Completion Time - 10 months (6 months are recommended, but I will also be working to get ready for the next stage)

Stage 4 - Modular Training Continuation

Location - CTC Flight School

Course - Module 2 - 5

Cost Breakdown -
All Training & Accommodation - 33,800
Food - 3000 (depending on time)

Total - 36,800
Estimated Completion Time - Unknown as I am still waiting for a reply from CTC, but if anyone has information, I will be happy to listen

Stage 4 - Module 6

Location: CTC Flight School

Course - Module 6 (Airline Qualification Course)

Cost Breakdown:
All Training & Accommodation: 10,500
Selection Fee: 275
Food: 225

Total: 11,000
Estimated Completion Time: 6 Weeks (as per website)


After all these stages (I have allowed myself approximately 4 years to fully complete everything so that I can also have practice in between courses and save some money for each) I am left with a fATPL with IR.

I am aware that license application fees are on top of the above listed costs however, was hoping some of you may be able to shed some light on whether or not I have missed some crucial part of the course or have overlooked any major or significant costs.

Also, if anybody have any ideas as to whether this is an appropriate plan of action or if it it would be better to approach it from a different angle, I am all ears

Thanks again guys and I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the matter.




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Old 14th Mar 2016, 17:17
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Do everything at Stapleford. CTC is just a sausage company, Stapleford is one of those places that when I visited gave me a great impression as far as quality of training goes. The only thing preventing me from training in the UK is the horrendous exchange rate with €, otherwise either Stapleford or PAT would be the place I would train at. They have excellent pass rates.
On top of that, they're part of the Wings Alliance program – something I put hope on against over-priced sausage factories like CTC.
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Old 14th Mar 2016, 22:49
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Thanks everyone for your comments.
I ended up seeing a few instructors at different schools and booked to start flying again after the Easter holiday.

I am sure I will regret it. But I either regret doing it, or regret not doing it.
Hopefully it will all be worthwhile in the end.
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 01:10
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guni83, that sounds good. I am glad you made this step.

I hope and wish everything works out for you as desired. Good luck!
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 02:10
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Thanks very much. Would you consider Stapleford Flight Centre to be as well recognised internationally as CTC or Oxford? I only ask as I want to make sure I increase my chances of finding a job after the completion.
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Old 15th Mar 2016, 07:34
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They give the same licence? CTC supply sleazy jet directly seemingly. There are hundreds of threads here regarding this issue and it comes down to whether you believe the conspiracy theorists or your own ability in passing everything and sourcing a job yourself. There are other schools, look to the eastern block, which have a good tie with other LCC, many successful students now flying, and will save you A LOT of money.
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Old 16th Mar 2016, 13:45
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It is surprisingly difficult to work out the total cost of training because the various ATOs' websites include or exclude different elements. We have spent some time trying to create a budget calculator, it's only for Wings Alliance schools, not CTC, but it will give you an idea of the total costs including test fees, accommodation etc. We include a 10% contingency as well, just in case, but even without that the figures for Stapleford that we calculated are a bit higher than those you quote.
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Old 16th Mar 2016, 18:23
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guni83, you're in Australia right? Be cautious of advice from other countries as their aviation scene is different to Australia's.
I worked in Australia for 10 years and now I am in the UK working as a pilot.

First things first. Where do you see yourself working once you have a CPL and on what wage? If you can't afford to support your family on that wage, think very carefully about getting that CPL.
OK. So you can afford it, how about that Class 1 medical? Any conditions such as colour blindness, diabetes etc.
I believe Australia is going through some interesting times WRT general aviation etc. Have a look at that market and see how the employment is. Your first job is likely to be as an instructor (more costs) or out bush flying. (Distance? Family?). What are the current requirements for Virgin or Qantas? If you can't get in with them, Cathay?

You must discuss this with your family as this will affect them significantly.
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Old 17th Mar 2016, 15:39
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Redsnail gives wise counsel -as always.

Forget the starry-eyed dreamers. In the end you are sitting in a flight deck driving a jet and managing systems. Yes it is most certainly the best view from any office window but it is not without drawbacks.

May I suggest you read through some of the threads on PPRuNe which may cause scales to fall from your eyes.

I speak as one with both military and airline careers and over 12K hours on jets. I thoroughly enjoy all my flying but I can only suggest that you research all aspects thoroughly and discuss it fully with your family before you commit to such a life changing move.
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 09:24
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FAA vs EASA again, with a minor catch

Hey guys,

I've been reading through the few major threads and decided to ask for some advice on my own situation..

Turning 25, USA/Finland dual citizen, no college degree(had the chance), 0 experience so far.

Basically I have been saving up for sometime now and I had planned it quite through: going to FL, getting my licenses and start building those hours by instructing. I've visited a few schools onsite and got a good vibe off one operating out of LNA at West Palm Beach.

Sounded pretty straight forward and a good option for me as I have the right to work and live in the US.. But then it hit me, the lack of a college degree got me thinking again. That basically means I won't be able to get a job at major airline in the US.

There are many options as I see it:
-Go through my original plan, instruct and maybe land a job at a regional for some years and possibly go on outside the US to a major airline in the ME/Asia. Also there are possibilities to get a 4-year degree off an online program while doing my training(too much work with the flight training going on?).

-EASA licenses via US school. If I got EASA instructing licenses, could I instruct in a US school(..teaching EASA)? I guess it could be a good chance as I have the right to work in the US? No hassle of obtaining work permits for a instructor, in the eyes of a school. Get a good amount of hours and come back to Europe.

-Do the FAA route, build some time and eventually do the conversion or is that just unnecessary work compared to going with EASA from the start?


Any thoughts?

Thanks!
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 13:38
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Is a degree necessary?

If you are going integrated in Europe the costs are extremely high but less need for a degree as training is aimed totally towards Airline recruitment with less than 300 hours flight time.

The rest I cannot answer as don't have experience.
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 20:39
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You don't need a degree in Europe and a modular trainee will have the same credentials of an integrated trainee.
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Old 18th Mar 2016, 20:41
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Originally Posted by jamesgrainge View Post
Is a degree necessary?

If you are going integrated in Europe the costs are extremely high but less need for a degree as training is aimed totally towards Airline recruitment with less than 300 hours flight time.

The rest I cannot answer as don't have experience.
Well the degree point of view was more towards future employment in the US market and specifically talking about major airlines. I believe you have a good shot at getting a job with a regional but the big guys require a 4-year degree.
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Old 19th Mar 2016, 10:45
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So you are answering your own question. If you stay in US you need a degree. As I said, if you plan to do an integrated course in EU you won't need a degree for a FO job with a LCC, it means very little after training. Maybe try more US based forums, this is very euro centric.
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Old 20th Mar 2016, 11:49
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Thanks jamesgrainge, but I have already decided that a high priced integrated course in Europe is out of the picture. I feel it is not worth it, especially in my case as I have a US citizenship. I should have also probably stated in my OP that returning to Europe is not a must for me. I'll definitely also try jetcareers etc for some advice.

Any other thoughts?
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Old 10th Apr 2016, 18:23
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What would you tell your younger self?

Hi all,

This is my first post, so apologies if tacking my question onto this thread isn't the done thing. It seemed like the most sensible place to put it, rather than starting a new thread.

Here is my situation, I am 25 and currently working for my father in his independent business. For various reasons I have decided to pursue a career as an airline pilot. A dream I had as a child, but with 9/11 and the 2008 crash, a career path that during my formative years seemed unrealistic. I therefore concentrated on taking over the family business.

I have got my first class medical and have passed the skills assessment at CAE OAA, so I'm pretty much ready to go. I have a target start date of September as I have agreed to help my dad run the business until then. I have to keep him sweet after all.

My question is, what can I do to immerse myself in the world of aviation? Firstly because I am fascinated by it all but also because I worry that my CV will look a little sparse at the other end of flying school. I want to make sure I start giving myself the best possible chances to land that ever elusive first job. Unfortunately I will be working full time, including Saturday's, pretty much right up until I start my training so will only really have 2 days spare a week. Also, financially, every spare penny is being squirrelled to try and keep my debt as small as possible.

Obviously I have made my mind up on being a commercial pilot and going the integrated route. So I guess I am looking for any advice you wish you had received when you were in my position. Whether you're a seasoned captain with thousands of hours or you're treading water in the holding pool at the other end of an Ab-Initio course.

Thanks for your time!
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Old 11th Apr 2016, 10:19
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For something comparatively cheap, pop over to your nearest gliding club. You'll learn stuff (eg what the rudder is for) and chat to folks who may be of some use.
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