Dreaming of flying a jet (specially to you older guys!)
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I do agree on that, and I do understand!
And I will for sure put life quality ahead of a quick upgrade, I also see the potenial positives, and I know also this the best way for me to gain experience considering both my age, late start, and total time!
My days off are not really off, as need to catch up on lost time with business, family, nothing can ever be planned, as nobody knows what will happen next month!
Not feeling sorry for myself, this is what I thought I wanted, cest la vie! I know I won't stop now, but just giving an honest report on how it can be! For some it might not be what they expect!
And I will for sure put life quality ahead of a quick upgrade, I also see the potenial positives, and I know also this the best way for me to gain experience considering both my age, late start, and total time!
My days off are not really off, as need to catch up on lost time with business, family, nothing can ever be planned, as nobody knows what will happen next month!
Not feeling sorry for myself, this is what I thought I wanted, cest la vie! I know I won't stop now, but just giving an honest report on how it can be! For some it might not be what they expect!
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I can spend hours and hours reading various threads on pprune, but had to skip long text portions here and give up. Too boring.
But then, I knew better and while I'd like to fly bizjets or fun bush turbroprops in future, I'm more of a helicopter kind of guy. Those who can get bored in cruise on airliner and like to do 'hand flying', fly rotary.
So yeah, you should have known better. Should've gone to helicopters.
The training budget doesn't seem to be an issue for you. Staying 'at home' with family in the UK, more stuff to do, less 'cruise boredom' high up and ability to enjoy scenic views in between various duties/tasks and flying the machine.
But then, I knew better and while I'd like to fly bizjets or fun bush turbroprops in future, I'm more of a helicopter kind of guy. Those who can get bored in cruise on airliner and like to do 'hand flying', fly rotary.
So yeah, you should have known better. Should've gone to helicopters.
The training budget doesn't seem to be an issue for you. Staying 'at home' with family in the UK, more stuff to do, less 'cruise boredom' high up and ability to enjoy scenic views in between various duties/tasks and flying the machine.
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So yeah, you should have known better. Should've gone to helicopters.
all IMHO of course.
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Hmmm, I swapped what I thought were some constructive thoughts with truckflyer on a similar thread. Suspect we were both stuck in a less than perfect hotel but for different reasons.
I am wondering now why if someone can earn £1500 for a few hours work yet complain so bitterly about their situation why they are even continuing with what they are doing.
If a few hours work is less than half a day, then £1500 per day (which you only work a few hours of), 5 days per week, 40 weeks per year (3 months holiday) rocks in at £300k...
Plenty of money to fund a nice aircraft to go and do some flying in, where you can choose when to have the A/P in and when not... When I come up with a way to earn that sort of money without flying at 100ft above the sea with a cargo of illegal substances, that's what I'll be doing!
I am wondering now why if someone can earn £1500 for a few hours work yet complain so bitterly about their situation why they are even continuing with what they are doing.
If a few hours work is less than half a day, then £1500 per day (which you only work a few hours of), 5 days per week, 40 weeks per year (3 months holiday) rocks in at £300k...
Plenty of money to fund a nice aircraft to go and do some flying in, where you can choose when to have the A/P in and when not... When I come up with a way to earn that sort of money without flying at 100ft above the sea with a cargo of illegal substances, that's what I'll be doing!
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I have spent enough money on flying that's one thing I know for sure!
Whiskey Bravo - if I knew I was making that money all the time, yes maybe I would have done that! But in these recession times you never know, still I do admit that business does give me at times pretty good income, it was my main business for nearly 10 years.
Still being self-employed, running a business as I have done and still do, you never know how next week will be, or next month will be, however it still amazes me from month to month, the business keeps rolling on, even if my mind has been more focused on flying than my business recently!
I guess you can call it multi-tasking, however making good money, but spending all day in front of a computer screen, was extremely boring, have to admit there is a much greater view from the cockpit, and I do at least get to see the sun most days!
I guess the part for me, is that even on my days off, it goes non-stop, customer meetings, being a husband, father - makes that it is constant stream of things going on. Actually today I actually felt a sense of relief that I was going flying again, my time where I can relax, and makes me also think that sounds extremely selfish of me, as man, husband and father!
It's actually feeling like going to work, I am not under the constant pressure of business and family expectations, from the moment I arrive back in the UK, my phone goes of constant, nearly without a break!
So yes there certainly positives with the flying, but with my current pay I am not really ready to give up my business, as sometimes even a few hours work, can bring in thousands on the products and services I offer!
However maybe it is my lazy eye, questioning my own sanity, because with such income potential that I have with my business, versus work effort, time and energy compared to many of the negatives connected with aviation.
Comparable low salary, long working hours, constantly away from family and the list can go on and on if we want - I just don't even want to think about it anymore, just trying to get the experience I need and we will see where that leads me!
I know, many others have it much worse than me, and I feel for them too. It is desperate times for the people on the outside, looking to get a job, and the combination of all this, has created the current undervaluation of this profession, which is the sad part of it all, the question is, what can we do, to avoid it getting worse?
Whiskey Bravo - if I knew I was making that money all the time, yes maybe I would have done that! But in these recession times you never know, still I do admit that business does give me at times pretty good income, it was my main business for nearly 10 years.
Still being self-employed, running a business as I have done and still do, you never know how next week will be, or next month will be, however it still amazes me from month to month, the business keeps rolling on, even if my mind has been more focused on flying than my business recently!
I guess you can call it multi-tasking, however making good money, but spending all day in front of a computer screen, was extremely boring, have to admit there is a much greater view from the cockpit, and I do at least get to see the sun most days!
I guess the part for me, is that even on my days off, it goes non-stop, customer meetings, being a husband, father - makes that it is constant stream of things going on. Actually today I actually felt a sense of relief that I was going flying again, my time where I can relax, and makes me also think that sounds extremely selfish of me, as man, husband and father!
It's actually feeling like going to work, I am not under the constant pressure of business and family expectations, from the moment I arrive back in the UK, my phone goes of constant, nearly without a break!
So yes there certainly positives with the flying, but with my current pay I am not really ready to give up my business, as sometimes even a few hours work, can bring in thousands on the products and services I offer!
However maybe it is my lazy eye, questioning my own sanity, because with such income potential that I have with my business, versus work effort, time and energy compared to many of the negatives connected with aviation.
Comparable low salary, long working hours, constantly away from family and the list can go on and on if we want - I just don't even want to think about it anymore, just trying to get the experience I need and we will see where that leads me!
I know, many others have it much worse than me, and I feel for them too. It is desperate times for the people on the outside, looking to get a job, and the combination of all this, has created the current undervaluation of this profession, which is the sad part of it all, the question is, what can we do, to avoid it getting worse?
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To the OP -
...Its always a different picture from the inside looking out from the outside looking in - it aint
what it appears. Always wanted to be an airline pilot but then I spent 3 years in cut-throat Oz
GA - with all its engine failures, boong-carrying out in the boondocks, constantly being pushed
by the cocky to fly overweight and flying clapped-out 402s with one mag inop etc. In the end I
wanted to join a major because a) I needed a lot more money, and b) wanted to stay alive in
the industry. Three years in GA cured any shiny jet syndrome I might've had.
Still - jumping into a 20 ton dog whistle then the Deisel 9 a year later then a 727 did have its
rewards. I liked flogging the 9 and Boeing. Later I went to the Whale and was impressed how
Bill got his act together with that beast. Afterwards it was the 737-200 then 400 and now the
A320 suck-squirt (with a brief interlude on the 330).
Back then the 747 was good flying...five day layovers usually. But in the last 12 years with the
onset of computers, 200hr kids of the magenta as SIC, and all this minimum rest for max hours
bull**** - not to mention the loss of income in real terms through the beancounters- there aint
no joy in it anymore. In fact quite the bloody opposite.
My dream now is to get out of airlines and set up a high-class whorehouse in Northern Thailand.
...Its always a different picture from the inside looking out from the outside looking in - it aint
what it appears. Always wanted to be an airline pilot but then I spent 3 years in cut-throat Oz
GA - with all its engine failures, boong-carrying out in the boondocks, constantly being pushed
by the cocky to fly overweight and flying clapped-out 402s with one mag inop etc. In the end I
wanted to join a major because a) I needed a lot more money, and b) wanted to stay alive in
the industry. Three years in GA cured any shiny jet syndrome I might've had.
Still - jumping into a 20 ton dog whistle then the Deisel 9 a year later then a 727 did have its
rewards. I liked flogging the 9 and Boeing. Later I went to the Whale and was impressed how
Bill got his act together with that beast. Afterwards it was the 737-200 then 400 and now the
A320 suck-squirt (with a brief interlude on the 330).
Back then the 747 was good flying...five day layovers usually. But in the last 12 years with the
onset of computers, 200hr kids of the magenta as SIC, and all this minimum rest for max hours
bull**** - not to mention the loss of income in real terms through the beancounters- there aint
no joy in it anymore. In fact quite the bloody opposite.
My dream now is to get out of airlines and set up a high-class whorehouse in Northern Thailand.
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While I generally disagree with the OP's views, I have some sympathy for him.
I have been in the business for 12 years now. More or less 1 year into my airline flying career I had my moment of doubt- I felt weary, unhappy and not enjoying flying anymore. I gave up leisure flying and I felt like I was in "only for the money"
Fortunately, it was temporary and I got better in few months. I got more proficient in my flying and started enjoying it again. Not much later I got my first command on a TP (which, initially, I didn't even really want) and had a blast since then
Now I absolutely love the job and wouldn't trade it for anything else. I came back to leisure flying too - aerobatics, helicopters, gliders, whatever I can get my sweaty palms on 
The other moment of doubt was on a foreign contract, far away from home. After few months or so, I got extremely homesick and depressed. I hated staying in hotels, I hated going to work, I hated the ever-present loneliness, yet couldn't make friends with the locals. Even though I was making a lot of money, I just couldn't stand it! Again, finding a job closer to home cured it.
I think the OP may be suffering from a mix of the above. I hope he gets over it and finds joy in his new career...
I have been in the business for 12 years now. More or less 1 year into my airline flying career I had my moment of doubt- I felt weary, unhappy and not enjoying flying anymore. I gave up leisure flying and I felt like I was in "only for the money"
Fortunately, it was temporary and I got better in few months. I got more proficient in my flying and started enjoying it again. Not much later I got my first command on a TP (which, initially, I didn't even really want) and had a blast since then
Now I absolutely love the job and wouldn't trade it for anything else. I came back to leisure flying too - aerobatics, helicopters, gliders, whatever I can get my sweaty palms on The other moment of doubt was on a foreign contract, far away from home. After few months or so, I got extremely homesick and depressed. I hated staying in hotels, I hated going to work, I hated the ever-present loneliness, yet couldn't make friends with the locals. Even though I was making a lot of money, I just couldn't stand it! Again, finding a job closer to home cured it.
I think the OP may be suffering from a mix of the above. I hope he gets over it and finds joy in his new career...
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At least a few more in depth messages, instead of the attacking brigade, "oh you don't deserve to have this job, that is my dream" - Cloud blue dreamers, who seems to have little sense, because that is what it is about - real life - and how the environment and job makes us feel!
I feel few regulars have been pretty badly exposed in this thread, trying to hide behind smart longs posts of how much knowledge they have and know, while they are probably just recovering from their 2.nd or 3.rd divorce, or just left for their own devices, as they are out of touch with real people and real lives!
I know myself, and my "friends" know me too, I am a strong willed f.'er, and if I set something in my mind, most likely I will get there!
What surprises me are the amount of PM's I get supporting some of my thoughts, however they do not want to expose their thoughts, I guess there are some mongols here that like to label and re-read every old post somebody does, to try to pick them apart as hypocrites, not understanding that life situation and perspectives changes as we evolve and hopefully move forward in life!
Some seems to prefer to be stuck in the past, and attack past posts, sayings and label people as something as a misfit, that is of course Bealzebub's favourite tactic, long out messages where he pretends he knows every detail of this business, recruitment, training and the reasons all this issues happen in society, some of the replies it almost makes me believe he has to be a politician, yet the difference between me and people like this, is that I have actually gone trough the hole evolution, trough various careers, where I have been successful, while many people here have only had ONE career in their life, so they do not have enough experience to know what they are talking about!
I get accused of spouting out nonsense by some, just because I dare to say, "The career is not really all that! - what it is made out to be!" - Sometimes - it can be a real pain for many - I am sure, feedback suggest this, still there will be some 22 year olds, and old divorced captains, who claim different, as they either have not experienced anything important in their lives other than getting a pilots licences, or the older captains are so bitter because they have been screwed by one or several wives, and their life has no other contents anymore than flying!
Of course, this was extreme examples, of course there are happy people in aviation, however the majority of people I have met so far, have gone trough major hardships in their relations, mainly because of this job's lifestyle!
Both "Stuck_in_an_ATR" and "Slasher", makes very good and valid points and observations!
I am one of the lucky ones, who worked hard, without a silver spoon in my mouth, that was one of the reasons I did not do my training when I was younger, because I did NOT have the money for it, and did not want to put my family into debts for it!
Looking back today, I do love the flying, don;t get me wrong, but this BS about this "dream job" and all the blue bells singing around your head, let it be, when you like me arrived hotel after a long journey, 4 hours before your check in time of a 4 sector day, at midnight, you know, that's when reality clicks in, when you know in 4 hours you are doing the briefing for take off - and rather wish you could have stayed in bed!
Yes I try to shake and rattle some bells, because there are to many not understanding, besides it being your potential dream job, you are willing to pay and do the job! My oh my, you are in for the shock of your life! If I was P2F this, I would go and jump of the London Bridge now!
I will supply the rope free of charge!
And let me also just to really make this a final blast, companies like CTC disgust me, the way they pretend to be masters of their domain, and corner jobs to go trough them! They are like a nice label, you pay with blood to use them, get into bed with them, and they will make sure only they little "club" gets the jobs, the sooner companies like CTC size to exist in this format, as an agency the better, but of course do not take any word of people on here as the truth, because they make money on working and instructing for CTC!
Can you imagine how good extra income sim sessions are for seasoned pilots, one nights work can fetch you between 600 - 1000 Euros, so let's get real, nobody wants to stop the gravy train do they, if they are on the inside!
Even I will attempt to jump on that gravy train myself, but at least I am honest about it!
It's all about money - create the dream mentality in people, don't let them see the reality of the job, sell the right image and make people spend and waste thousands on courses, on ratings, many that you will never be able to use, because for just one moment, they - the industry, wants you to believe that you might be able to become a pilot, while the reality is that the majority will NEVER get the chance for a proper flying job - and the minority will get the chance, as long as they have money that can be sucked out of them!
This is what the industry fails to tell you, and on these forums, to few are able to tell you, why? I don;t know, do they have an agenda? I don;t know, we are all secret agents on these forums with our own agenda, aren't we?
Yet I have no agenda, other than saying it like I see it! It's simple:
"No Money, No Honey!" Anybody saying something else, does not have a clue what they are talking about, they are just pretending to be a regular know-it-all! (Like I am sure, many think of me - I admit, I know nothing - but this I have learnt from my time in aviation!)
Get me in with Virgin, and I will gladly give up all my pay, vacations, just let me fly that "great machine" - give me a crew meal, a bottle of water - if you want I will actually pay for it, if you let me play with your flying machine!
What a load of wackos attracted to this industry, if this is your attitude, in most cases in other jobs, there would be a some guys in white coats - waiting to take you away to a holiday camp, for undetermined time - in some country mansion, so you would not be able to harm other people - however in our society we let them become pilots!!!
Go figure!
I feel few regulars have been pretty badly exposed in this thread, trying to hide behind smart longs posts of how much knowledge they have and know, while they are probably just recovering from their 2.nd or 3.rd divorce, or just left for their own devices, as they are out of touch with real people and real lives!
I know myself, and my "friends" know me too, I am a strong willed f.'er, and if I set something in my mind, most likely I will get there!
What surprises me are the amount of PM's I get supporting some of my thoughts, however they do not want to expose their thoughts, I guess there are some mongols here that like to label and re-read every old post somebody does, to try to pick them apart as hypocrites, not understanding that life situation and perspectives changes as we evolve and hopefully move forward in life!
Some seems to prefer to be stuck in the past, and attack past posts, sayings and label people as something as a misfit, that is of course Bealzebub's favourite tactic, long out messages where he pretends he knows every detail of this business, recruitment, training and the reasons all this issues happen in society, some of the replies it almost makes me believe he has to be a politician, yet the difference between me and people like this, is that I have actually gone trough the hole evolution, trough various careers, where I have been successful, while many people here have only had ONE career in their life, so they do not have enough experience to know what they are talking about!
I get accused of spouting out nonsense by some, just because I dare to say, "The career is not really all that! - what it is made out to be!" - Sometimes - it can be a real pain for many - I am sure, feedback suggest this, still there will be some 22 year olds, and old divorced captains, who claim different, as they either have not experienced anything important in their lives other than getting a pilots licences, or the older captains are so bitter because they have been screwed by one or several wives, and their life has no other contents anymore than flying!
Of course, this was extreme examples, of course there are happy people in aviation, however the majority of people I have met so far, have gone trough major hardships in their relations, mainly because of this job's lifestyle!
Both "Stuck_in_an_ATR" and "Slasher", makes very good and valid points and observations!
I am one of the lucky ones, who worked hard, without a silver spoon in my mouth, that was one of the reasons I did not do my training when I was younger, because I did NOT have the money for it, and did not want to put my family into debts for it!
Looking back today, I do love the flying, don;t get me wrong, but this BS about this "dream job" and all the blue bells singing around your head, let it be, when you like me arrived hotel after a long journey, 4 hours before your check in time of a 4 sector day, at midnight, you know, that's when reality clicks in, when you know in 4 hours you are doing the briefing for take off - and rather wish you could have stayed in bed!
Yes I try to shake and rattle some bells, because there are to many not understanding, besides it being your potential dream job, you are willing to pay and do the job! My oh my, you are in for the shock of your life! If I was P2F this, I would go and jump of the London Bridge now!
I will supply the rope free of charge!
And let me also just to really make this a final blast, companies like CTC disgust me, the way they pretend to be masters of their domain, and corner jobs to go trough them! They are like a nice label, you pay with blood to use them, get into bed with them, and they will make sure only they little "club" gets the jobs, the sooner companies like CTC size to exist in this format, as an agency the better, but of course do not take any word of people on here as the truth, because they make money on working and instructing for CTC!
Can you imagine how good extra income sim sessions are for seasoned pilots, one nights work can fetch you between 600 - 1000 Euros, so let's get real, nobody wants to stop the gravy train do they, if they are on the inside!
Even I will attempt to jump on that gravy train myself, but at least I am honest about it!
It's all about money - create the dream mentality in people, don't let them see the reality of the job, sell the right image and make people spend and waste thousands on courses, on ratings, many that you will never be able to use, because for just one moment, they - the industry, wants you to believe that you might be able to become a pilot, while the reality is that the majority will NEVER get the chance for a proper flying job - and the minority will get the chance, as long as they have money that can be sucked out of them!
This is what the industry fails to tell you, and on these forums, to few are able to tell you, why? I don;t know, do they have an agenda? I don;t know, we are all secret agents on these forums with our own agenda, aren't we?
Yet I have no agenda, other than saying it like I see it! It's simple:
"No Money, No Honey!" Anybody saying something else, does not have a clue what they are talking about, they are just pretending to be a regular know-it-all! (Like I am sure, many think of me - I admit, I know nothing - but this I have learnt from my time in aviation!)
Get me in with Virgin, and I will gladly give up all my pay, vacations, just let me fly that "great machine" - give me a crew meal, a bottle of water - if you want I will actually pay for it, if you let me play with your flying machine!
What a load of wackos attracted to this industry, if this is your attitude, in most cases in other jobs, there would be a some guys in white coats - waiting to take you away to a holiday camp, for undetermined time - in some country mansion, so you would not be able to harm other people - however in our society we let them become pilots!!!
Go figure!
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if you want I will actually pay for it, if you let me play with your flying machine!
What a load of wackos attracted to this industry,
Wackos that pay to fly, quite. After all, it is a job we do, not a game.
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Some seems to prefer to be stuck in the past, and attack past posts, sayings and label people as something as a misfit, that is of course Bealzebub's favourite tactic, long out messages where he pretends he knows every detail of this business, recruitment, training and the reasons all this issues happen in society, some of the replies it almost makes me believe he has to be a politician, yet the difference between me and people like this, is that I have actually gone trough the hole evolution, trough various careers, where I have been successful, while many people here have only had ONE career in their life, so they do not have enough experience to know what they are talking about!
I admit, in the past, I have said stupid things on these forums, some maybe misguided, lack of experience, but the more you get into this business, the more you see you want to learn and know, and the more you understand how little you know!
yet the difference between me and people like this, is that I have actually gone trough the hole evolution, trough various careers, where I have been successful, while many people here have only had ONE career in their life, so they do not have enough experience to know what they are talking about
If 35 years of relevant experience is "not enough experience to know what they are talking about," then I can only smile at your comment and treat it with the same level of seriousness I apply to so much of what you say.
I am very lucky to have spent so long in a career that I enjoy, and one that has been very kind to me. I am more than happy for anybody to refer to any of my previous posts, which do not sugarcoat the industry, but at the same time provide (I hope) some encouragement. I always provide a truthful perspective and try to provide as much honest reasoning, observation and experience as I can.
The problem I have with so much of what you write truckflyer, is that it is often fairly stupid and misguided and based on a lack of experience. You seem to spout instant opinion rather than wanting to wait and learn, despite the fact that you clearly know so little. Now what was it you said about yourself again.....
I admit, in the past, I have said stupid things on these forums, some maybe misguided, lack of experience, but the more you get into this business, the more you see you want to learn and know, and the more you understand how little you know!
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Bealzebub - I do know that some of the advice you give might be good and useful for some!
Why you are going about tigers or watches, I am not sure, just because I said I had an expensive watch on my wrist!!!
However as you explain yourself, you have 35 years experience in this business, of course that does count for something,
You are referring to me in an extremely condescending matter, and referring to me as stupid, and I know your kind, the type that think they have achieved total enlightenment, and full knowledge, a regular know-it all!
The reason I know you are so wrong in many things, is that I have first experience, and yes, this message is warning, but of course it also shows a success story, even if it in total adds up to complicated maths and diverse feelings over the whole industry and the job!
It's impossible for somebody living the 5 star lifestyle that is left a few places, to be able to understand how todays reality is, even if you never suger-coat your stories, there is still lacking a real life experience that will tell it like it really is!
This is what I have tried to do!
Now you say your 35 years of experience must count for something, sure it does, but does not my or others life experience, even if not in aviation also count for something, do you think aviation is an unique boy club mentality, that has rules so different that others are not able to understand!
If you read my previous emails, I have never mentioned tiger trainer, you seem obsessed with this guy, I believe you have mentioned this in the past! I previously experience both as an army officer, HGV driver, and ran several own companies, having people work for me and had the pleasure to travel all over this world, without being a pilot!
Anyway, this not about my life-story, it is about life and flying - I am sure you are trying your best to help and explain, and for some I am sure you do help, but your view is not the only right view, your view is not always the correct view, and I know by personal experience!
People on these forums are seeking a selective truth, that will their own reasoning for taking this gamble, and trying to become a pilot!
And sure if you search these forums long enough, you will find somebody that agrees with your thought, or thinking!
I would quote Robert Frost:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I --
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference
Why you are going about tigers or watches, I am not sure, just because I said I had an expensive watch on my wrist!!!
However as you explain yourself, you have 35 years experience in this business, of course that does count for something,
You are referring to me in an extremely condescending matter, and referring to me as stupid, and I know your kind, the type that think they have achieved total enlightenment, and full knowledge, a regular know-it all!
The reason I know you are so wrong in many things, is that I have first experience, and yes, this message is warning, but of course it also shows a success story, even if it in total adds up to complicated maths and diverse feelings over the whole industry and the job!
It's impossible for somebody living the 5 star lifestyle that is left a few places, to be able to understand how todays reality is, even if you never suger-coat your stories, there is still lacking a real life experience that will tell it like it really is!
This is what I have tried to do!
Now you say your 35 years of experience must count for something, sure it does, but does not my or others life experience, even if not in aviation also count for something, do you think aviation is an unique boy club mentality, that has rules so different that others are not able to understand!
If you read my previous emails, I have never mentioned tiger trainer, you seem obsessed with this guy, I believe you have mentioned this in the past! I previously experience both as an army officer, HGV driver, and ran several own companies, having people work for me and had the pleasure to travel all over this world, without being a pilot!
Anyway, this not about my life-story, it is about life and flying - I am sure you are trying your best to help and explain, and for some I am sure you do help, but your view is not the only right view, your view is not always the correct view, and I know by personal experience!
People on these forums are seeking a selective truth, that will their own reasoning for taking this gamble, and trying to become a pilot!
And sure if you search these forums long enough, you will find somebody that agrees with your thought, or thinking!
I would quote Robert Frost:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I --
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference
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Anyway, this not about my life-story, it is about life and flying
Against most odds, I got into the business, which was my "dream" - however already on my first observer day, my dreams was shattered to pieces!
I would quote Robert Frost:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I --
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I --
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference
What a load of wackos attracted to this industry, if this is your attitude, in most cases in other jobs, there would be a some guys in white coats - waiting to take you away to a holiday camp, for undetermined time - in some country mansion, so you would not be able to harm other people - however in our society we let them become pilots!!!
Astonishing!......Truly astonishing!
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Yes truly is, specially if you take each word literally!
See the irony and sarcasm, and a bit of artistic creativity! What better defence do you have than this?
I doubt very much my experience will have much impact on your career, as you should be at the latter of it! Good for you, that you have had a good career, I don't envy you or anybody else this! All the best to you!
See the irony and sarcasm, and a bit of artistic creativity! What better defence do you have than this?
I doubt very much my experience will have much impact on your career, as you should be at the latter of it! Good for you, that you have had a good career, I don't envy you or anybody else this! All the best to you!
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Cirrus
You're not in a position to comment on P2F now, are you? Being as you paid Lion Air for a 737 T/R.
You seem to have a habit of deleting posts also...
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ml#post7412181 is more proof of your wannabe status.
You're not in a position to comment on P2F now, are you? Being as you paid Lion Air for a 737 T/R.
You seem to have a habit of deleting posts also...
Cirrus
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DJRA you want to know what a pilot is? a pilot is someone who works 2 jobs to put themselfs through flight school, someone who studys hard and wants to learn everything there is to know about flying. someone who has respect for the industry and is prepared to move up at a steady rate,
Cirrus
You should take heed of you're own advice. You started another thread about P2F saying how you were a 777 pilot who had paid a certain low reputation Indo carrier for a 73NG T/R and line hours. You later deleted the thread after a reply along the lines of "if you were a real pilot with a 777 rating, why the hell would you whore yourself out to a 73 operator on a P2F scheme?"
Enough said.
Threads like this show you as a wannabe.
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The 14 ATPL subjects in the UK are renowned to be a real bitch, and this was even agreed by a Check and training captain I spoke to at Cathay.
a couple of options for you, FAA ATP is just 1 exam, or CASA is 7 so if you fancy a bit of travel and are prepared to obtain the nessasary visas this would cut down the volume a bit.
on the more negative side, when you get to TR, interviews etc the amount of paperwork and knowledge requried is massive compared to ATPL subjects.
I have a TR on the 777 and am currently in the process of doing the 737NG and there must be something like 50,000 pages to read, its endless!!
however my passion gets me through, find passion in this and it will never be hard again
Good luck
Oh and this old chestnut
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ah good luck to all those who go for this, I self funded a TR to go on this with Falcon, but failed the sim assesment, and there are no second chances.
if your not up to scratch they take no pitty on you, nor do they care about the money you have spent to get this far.
they really do put you through your paces in the sim, be prepared.
despite what you read on here, Lion do have very high standards and its not a job you can just walk in to.
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DJRA -
How can the WHORES of the industry be showed respect?
They are not working, they are paying to sit in a jet, what respect to they deserve?
That they can fly an airplane? or that they are actually paying somebody to be allowed to do it, because if not they can not get a job!
Couldn't agree more Truck.
Standing by for you to delete this thread...
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DJRA you want to know what a pilot is? a pilot is someone who works 2 jobs to put themselfs through flight school, someone who studys hard and wants to learn everything there is to know about flying. someone who has respect for the industry and is prepared to move up at a steady rate,
Cirrus
You should take heed of you're own advice. You started another thread about P2F saying how you were a 777 pilot who had paid a certain low reputation Indo carrier for a 73NG T/R and line hours. You later deleted the thread after a reply along the lines of "if you were a real pilot with a 777 rating, why the hell would you whore yourself out to a 73 operator on a P2F scheme?"
Enough said.
Threads like this show you as a wannabe.
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Failed ATPL Exams
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cirrus_
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 26
The 14 ATPL subjects in the UK are renowned to be a real bitch, and this was even agreed by a Check and training captain I spoke to at Cathay.
a couple of options for you, FAA ATP is just 1 exam, or CASA is 7 so if you fancy a bit of travel and are prepared to obtain the nessasary visas this would cut down the volume a bit.
on the more negative side, when you get to TR, interviews etc the amount of paperwork and knowledge requried is massive compared to ATPL subjects.
I have a TR on the 777 and am currently in the process of doing the 737NG and there must be something like 50,000 pages to read, its endless!!
however my passion gets me through, find passion in this and it will never be hard again
Good luck
Oh and this old chestnut
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cirrus_
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ah good luck to all those who go for this, I self funded a TR to go on this with Falcon, but failed the sim assesment, and there are no second chances.
if your not up to scratch they take no pitty on you, nor do they care about the money you have spent to get this far.
they really do put you through your paces in the sim, be prepared.
despite what you read on here, Lion do have very high standards and its not a job you can just walk in to.
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truckflyer
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DJRA -
How can the WHORES of the industry be showed respect?
They are not working, they are paying to sit in a jet, what respect to they deserve?
That they can fly an airplane? or that they are actually paying somebody to be allowed to do it, because if not they can not get a job!
Couldn't agree more Truck.
Standing by for you to delete this thread...
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