View Poll Results: Which INTEGRATED school is best?
BAE Systems (Europe)
31
42.47%
Oxford
25
34.25%
Cabair
10
13.70%
Western Michigan Uni
7
9.59%
Voters: 73. This poll is closed
Would you recommend your Integrated course?
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Would you recommend your Integrated course?
Would you recommend your integrated course?
I have decided INTEGRATED is the way forward for me, and am looking for info re: which school is most interested in getting you through , not just in my ££££! ....(s'pose that puts Cabair at the bottom of the list then?!)
-I have the list of the 4 schools doing integrated JAR
-am going to LHR on 13th
-am looking for 1st hand experience/opinions from students as to how much help/encouragement etc you get?
-also, have you been messed around/had a bad experience?
-has anyone done the ground school ATPL exams somewhere else then taken up a CPL/IR INTEGRATED course somewhere else?
Thanks in advance
Flygirl77
p.s. have PPL and around 70 hrs TT, looking to start in next 6-8 months...after I rob a bank!
I have decided INTEGRATED is the way forward for me, and am looking for info re: which school is most interested in getting you through , not just in my ££££! ....(s'pose that puts Cabair at the bottom of the list then?!)
-I have the list of the 4 schools doing integrated JAR
-am going to LHR on 13th
-am looking for 1st hand experience/opinions from students as to how much help/encouragement etc you get?
-also, have you been messed around/had a bad experience?
-has anyone done the ground school ATPL exams somewhere else then taken up a CPL/IR INTEGRATED course somewhere else?
Thanks in advance
Flygirl77
p.s. have PPL and around 70 hrs TT, looking to start in next 6-8 months...after I rob a bank!
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can see no point what so ever in taking an Integrated course AFTER groundschool - if it's even possible to do so.
In terms of time, you'd be 75% there for a CPL/IR.
Suprised you're doing an Integrated course anyway if you've got 70 hours, surely it's a step backwards paying some hairy instructor showing you how to do mag checks again?!
In terms of time, you'd be 75% there for a CPL/IR.
Suprised you're doing an Integrated course anyway if you've got 70 hours, surely it's a step backwards paying some hairy instructor showing you how to do mag checks again?!
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How on earth do you expect to get any meaningful response to your poll?
How many students ever attend more than one FTO? Very few, and not usually for the whole course. Perhaps if one FTO goes bust and they transfer to another, or maybe if they do the main course at one FTO and a brush-up at another.
So all you are going to get (if anyone responds at all) will be responses from people saying "I went here and it seemed OK to me". And because nobody likes to admit that they could have made a mistake, they usually defend their old school with no knowledge of the others, or, if they had a bad experience, slag it off without knowing whether any of the others would have done any better.
It might set up a nice ding-dong on pprune, but it won't be very objective evidence to assist you in making a decision.
How many students ever attend more than one FTO? Very few, and not usually for the whole course. Perhaps if one FTO goes bust and they transfer to another, or maybe if they do the main course at one FTO and a brush-up at another.
So all you are going to get (if anyone responds at all) will be responses from people saying "I went here and it seemed OK to me". And because nobody likes to admit that they could have made a mistake, they usually defend their old school with no knowledge of the others, or, if they had a bad experience, slag it off without knowing whether any of the others would have done any better.
It might set up a nice ding-dong on pprune, but it won't be very objective evidence to assist you in making a decision.
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Spot on Oxford Blue.
This poll is a total waste of time. You can't possibly get any objective information or conclusions from this. Can't see much of the fun side either to be honest, unless you count watching various students and ex-students of these colleges vote as fun. Put it this way, if they all voted for their own college, who do you think would win?
Reminds me of the same thing on Sky News interactive. Sky ask stuff like 'Should they bring back hanging' and 89% vote YES as the only ones who bothered to vote all read the Daily Express.
Nice new facility this polling lark though.
This poll is a total waste of time. You can't possibly get any objective information or conclusions from this. Can't see much of the fun side either to be honest, unless you count watching various students and ex-students of these colleges vote as fun. Put it this way, if they all voted for their own college, who do you think would win?
Reminds me of the same thing on Sky News interactive. Sky ask stuff like 'Should they bring back hanging' and 89% vote YES as the only ones who bothered to vote all read the Daily Express.
Nice new facility this polling lark though.
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Just out of interest Flygirl, why have you come to the decision to go integrated, given as has been pointed out, your background of PPL ? Just being nosey, that's all.
From your post (i.e PPL and asking the bit about the writtens) it would appear that modular would be more advantageous ? (however, please, no-one kick-start the age old debate). Just curious in this particular case, that's all.
From your post (i.e PPL and asking the bit about the writtens) it would appear that modular would be more advantageous ? (however, please, no-one kick-start the age old debate). Just curious in this particular case, that's all.
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Oxford Blue & BF2
Why bring something to the top of the pile when you don't have anything constructive to say to someone who is obviously just starting out. If its such a waste of time why not just rate it instead of berate it! It's just someone else's way of finding out info. Those sort of comments really make me
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(p.s you both really missed the point, read it again!)
Why bring something to the top of the pile when you don't have anything constructive to say to someone who is obviously just starting out. If its such a waste of time why not just rate it instead of berate it! It's just someone else's way of finding out info. Those sort of comments really make me
!(p.s you both really missed the point, read it again!)
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Can you tell me why you would put Cabair to the bottom of your list? I have recently met up with a host of their integrated course students who reckon they have had fantastic value for money.
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SOOO Sorry!!!!
Well, to all of those who got out of the wrong side of bed I am SO sorry to have caused you such strife!!!!.......HOWEVER, I duely note that hardly any of you actully have anything USEFULL to say in response to my query, nor do you propose any 'constructive' points as to the type of poll I might eventually use to help me!!!.....YOU may well all know the answers to EVERYTHING, but I don't , and am just trying to get some HELP here!!!
-and yes you can do the integrated course after doing groundschool.
-...as to why integrated?...I don' t want to prat around for 3 years and end up spending just as much £££ doing re-sits etc.
-If, however, you have something usefull to say AGAINST integrated courses, I would be ofcourse gratefull to hear it, along with anything else of interest.
-BILLYFISH2,.......... Can you tell me more about your research and final decision? (see e-mail addr.)
-VERITAS,....... can you tell me more about what the Cabair students say...only, all I ever here is that Cabair have no end of money-grabbing schems going on all over the place, and don't really care about the students as much as the others....My ears are open...
To those of you with constructive advice, thank you, and I look forward to more of it. Cheers.
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-and yes you can do the integrated course after doing groundschool.
-...as to why integrated?...I don' t want to prat around for 3 years and end up spending just as much £££ doing re-sits etc.
-If, however, you have something usefull to say AGAINST integrated courses, I would be ofcourse gratefull to hear it, along with anything else of interest.
-BILLYFISH2,.......... Can you tell me more about your research and final decision? (see e-mail addr.)
-VERITAS,....... can you tell me more about what the Cabair students say...only, all I ever here is that Cabair have no end of money-grabbing schems going on all over the place, and don't really care about the students as much as the others....My ears are open...
To those of you with constructive advice, thank you, and I look forward to more of it. Cheers.
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Flygirl I hope I haven't caused offence simply by asking a question ? I apologise if so.
I am just curious as to your decision to go integrated given your background, nothing more than that.
No, I haven't got anything against integrated courses, a fine way to obtain the licences. I am personally doing the modular route which suits me, but not everyone. With the required effort, I do not consider my self to be pratting around, and thus far no retakes.
The only thing I would say re: integrated is the timing and cost of keeping current in the present climate, however, the employment situation may well be rosier come your graduation. There is always of course the option of doing modular in an integrated timescale, just another option, that's all.
I wish you well in however you achieve it.
I am just curious as to your decision to go integrated given your background, nothing more than that.
No, I haven't got anything against integrated courses, a fine way to obtain the licences. I am personally doing the modular route which suits me, but not everyone. With the required effort, I do not consider my self to be pratting around, and thus far no retakes.
The only thing I would say re: integrated is the timing and cost of keeping current in the present climate, however, the employment situation may well be rosier come your graduation. There is always of course the option of doing modular in an integrated timescale, just another option, that's all.
I wish you well in however you achieve it.
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Integrated is clearly the wiser way to go.
BAE is great. Not perfect, but nowhere is Im sure.... Cant speak for the other schools cos I havent been to any of them; But you can´t go too far wrong at this one.
GE xx
BAE is great. Not perfect, but nowhere is Im sure.... Cant speak for the other schools cos I havent been to any of them; But you can´t go too far wrong at this one.
GE xx
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dear BillyFish et al,
...that's fine, thank you for your reply.....and sorry if my response was a bit snappy, but thought I may as well respond with a bit of feist rather than just sit back and take it all and end up with no usefull info whatsoever, ( and it seams to have worked!). What you said was really very helpfull. I too have lookead at it all and decided that I want the full deal and the best possible chance of getting through, as I believe I'm not enough of a genious to get through the modular. (by the way, therefore, I'm sorry if 'pratting around' came accross as an insult to others, but I meant it with respect of my own position, and feel that I could do with the structure etc of the Integrated.)..and I know plenty of people who do modular, and get distracted, keep failing just one or 2 exams and just end up spending more and more as the years slowly drift by, how demoralising too. (all credit to those who can, but it aint for me)
All the afore mentioned schools do integrated CPL/IR according to the CAA website.
....there is however one little niggling thing that I had totally dismissed as it's rather a big upheaval, but am now coming back round to with the JAR integrated being damn expensive....I do hold...da-da-daaa.....a USA PASSPORT!!...yes I know, many of you would kill for that, so I'm wondering weather that would be a better route to go....by that I mean qualifly , work and live over there. anyone got any USEFULL advice re the USA option?....or any usefull sites to go to if not?
Thanks again for all the help,
cheers,
Flygirl77
...that's fine, thank you for your reply.....and sorry if my response was a bit snappy, but thought I may as well respond with a bit of feist rather than just sit back and take it all and end up with no usefull info whatsoever, ( and it seams to have worked!). What you said was really very helpfull. I too have lookead at it all and decided that I want the full deal and the best possible chance of getting through, as I believe I'm not enough of a genious to get through the modular. (by the way, therefore, I'm sorry if 'pratting around' came accross as an insult to others, but I meant it with respect of my own position, and feel that I could do with the structure etc of the Integrated.)..and I know plenty of people who do modular, and get distracted, keep failing just one or 2 exams and just end up spending more and more as the years slowly drift by, how demoralising too. (all credit to those who can, but it aint for me)
All the afore mentioned schools do integrated CPL/IR according to the CAA website.
....there is however one little niggling thing that I had totally dismissed as it's rather a big upheaval, but am now coming back round to with the JAR integrated being damn expensive....I do hold...da-da-daaa.....a USA PASSPORT!!...yes I know, many of you would kill for that, so I'm wondering weather that would be a better route to go....by that I mean qualifly , work and live over there. anyone got any USEFULL advice re the USA option?....or any usefull sites to go to if not?
Thanks again for all the help,
cheers,
Flygirl77
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The main problem with this survey is that it represents a tiny percentage of those who participate in these school's courses. Are they voting bad-good- or that they just were there!? Probably every student at every school could tell a different tale.
Also, students don't know how to compare their school with any other.
Also, students don't know how to compare their school with any other.
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I agree. It's also prone to misuse. There is a lot of competition out there amongst the flying schools.
It's just as well you didn't include Bournemouth amongst your possible schools or Send Clowns would have voted 20 separate times by now.
It's just as well you didn't include Bournemouth amongst your possible schools or Send Clowns would have voted 20 separate times by now.
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Shouldnt the question be, 'Does anyone not recommend their school?', and then explain the problems they encountered.
As has been stated, you cannot compare shools when you have only been to one. As a modular student I can comment on 5 different schools, but I cannot comment on the merits of an integrated course, as I have plainly not been to one.
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As has been stated, you cannot compare shools when you have only been to one. As a modular student I can comment on 5 different schools, but I cannot comment on the merits of an integrated course, as I have plainly not been to one.
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I hate posting. I need to remain anonymous. However, without giving my identity away I do want to say something regarding flygirl's poll. Have ever bought a financial product that has lots of discounts or alternatively seems expensive compared to the others?. And when you sign up to either of these options you find the performance of your investment disappointing as the people in charge of your investment are incompetent or just not as sharp as other fund managers. Well choosing a school is a bit like that. Walk into any of the schools on the pretence of visiting a friend. Do not go via marketing. Sit down and discuss with the students what they think. Ask to meet one, or some, of the instructors. Count the number of wrinkles on their faces - this equates to experience and believe me this counts. (Not to discount a young one who keeps on buying you a beer or so after the flight).
Do you ride a motorbike by chance? Totally irrelevant I know but the thought just crossed my mind. Cheers
Do you ride a motorbike by chance? Totally irrelevant I know but the thought just crossed my mind. Cheers
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Don´t wish to get caught up in a school rivalry thread, but based on the pass rates of the course I´m on, and other courses here, I´d have no hesitation in recommending BAE Systems(now Flight Training Europe!).
It´s not perfect, but I´m glad I´m here! Come down and see for yourself.
It´s not perfect, but I´m glad I´m here! Come down and see for yourself.
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To Diverse a bit
Can anyone shed a light on employment rates from each of the integrated schools. Would like to do a poll but can't see how you do it any more.
The poll would be
I did integrated and have a job less then 1 year after graduating.
I did integreted and don't have a job one year after graduating.
I did modular etc etc as above.
Would also be intersting to state which school you attended.
Can anyone shed a light on employment rates from each of the integrated schools. Would like to do a poll but can't see how you do it any more.
The poll would be
I did integrated and have a job less then 1 year after graduating.
I did integreted and don't have a job one year after graduating.
I did modular etc etc as above.
Would also be intersting to state which school you attended.