Is pilot job market picking up at all??
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I think for some people they are only looking for sure bets; I mean what about all the people that started a business and they were told it won't work by everyone. I beleive it's the people that know what they are getting into and are able to defy everyone and take the plunge are the one with the resolve to make it . I mean loads of industries are difficult to get into. Anyone would think a Pilot has no career choices at all.
Obviously timing is an issue. But I think too many peeople expect an Fatpl to get you into a jet instantly. When actually it's just a commercial license. Think of all the jobs that are out there where you spend 1-2 years learning. I saw someone post if your a Pilot your not going to be rich go start your own business. How can you compare being an employee to an employer; just riduculus. What about investing your salary? there are loads of options. I think if everyone sgtart to think postive things might change. The media has hyped this recession into everyone's brains. I'm about to finish the PPL and go Modular; It wont be easy it may not work; I may never fly a jet; but if you don't take a shot then your not gonna score.
Obviously timing is an issue. But I think too many peeople expect an Fatpl to get you into a jet instantly. When actually it's just a commercial license. Think of all the jobs that are out there where you spend 1-2 years learning. I saw someone post if your a Pilot your not going to be rich go start your own business. How can you compare being an employee to an employer; just riduculus. What about investing your salary? there are loads of options. I think if everyone sgtart to think postive things might change. The media has hyped this recession into everyone's brains. I'm about to finish the PPL and go Modular; It wont be easy it may not work; I may never fly a jet; but if you don't take a shot then your not gonna score.
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Commendable attitude, but if you look at it the reality will tell you a different story. In boom time there's about 250-300 jobs per year created in the industry through retirements/expansion etc. On average about 1200 wannabes come out of the flight schools with a fATPL. This means 900 will never make it, ever. You can have a positive attitude all you like, you can want it all you like, but the majority will never make it. Thinking positive will not change those figures.
Commendable attitude, but if you look at it the reality will tell you a different story. In boom time there's about 250-300 jobs per year created in the industry through retirements/expansion etc. On average about 1200 wannabes come out of the flight schools with a fATPL. This means 900 will never make it, ever. You can have a positive attitude all you like, you can want it all you like, but the majority will never make it. Thinking positive will not change those figures.
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Ridiculous, the market remains on its knee's. Even with hours on type it is a real challenge to find an interview let alone paying work.
Remember, at present, air pax movements are in decline (slight rise in freight) and the oil price is soaring. P2F is the ONLY way to get a ride now for the FATPL with shiny MEP/IR!. So best tap up the folks; you'll have to pay for your pose!!
Airforces around Europe are shrinking, lots of service leavers will keenly hoover up any real chances so you know what the remaining option is?!
And splendid it is. Continued cheap air fares for my needs through your kind subsidies. I thank you all.
Remember, at present, air pax movements are in decline (slight rise in freight) and the oil price is soaring. P2F is the ONLY way to get a ride now for the FATPL with shiny MEP/IR!. So best tap up the folks; you'll have to pay for your pose!!
Airforces around Europe are shrinking, lots of service leavers will keenly hoover up any real chances so you know what the remaining option is?!
And splendid it is. Continued cheap air fares for my needs through your kind subsidies. I thank you all.
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I think there will always be a market for people willing to pay to work. However, I think it is wishful thinking to believe that the airline pilot profession will receive adequate pay for the type of job they do. I used to cringe when I heard the term "bus drivers of the sky", but now I cringe because actual bus drivers get paid better and have reasonable terms and conditions.
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I'm in the process of applying for a Career Development Loan as they are currently offered by Barclays and the Cooperative Bank. You can get up to £10,000 as long as you don't have access to more than £16,000 personally.
I know this is a very basic point but before you commit to any course ensure that you have got a contingency fund (mine is at least 15%) in addition to the course costs and you also need to be 110% clear about what extras you need to pay for i.e. CAA Test fees for CPL and IR exams, aircraft hire for test, landing fees etc.
I've found putting together a spreadsheet of costs including living expenses etc for whilst doing the course helpful for budgeting purposes.
I know this is a very basic point but before you commit to any course ensure that you have got a contingency fund (mine is at least 15%) in addition to the course costs and you also need to be 110% clear about what extras you need to pay for i.e. CAA Test fees for CPL and IR exams, aircraft hire for test, landing fees etc.
I've found putting together a spreadsheet of costs including living expenses etc for whilst doing the course helpful for budgeting purposes.
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Can you point me in the direction of links / data for these figures please? Im not necessarily doubting it but would like to know where I can find it.. Thx
In boom time there's about 250-300 jobs per year created in the industry through retirements/expansion etc. On average about 1200 wannabes come out of the flight schools with a fATPL. This means 900 will never make it, ever.
EZY & RYR are the only ones hiring and you'd better budget £100k for either.
House prices are falling. There is no QE or slashing Interest Rates available. Taxes have gone up and public sector job cuts are 6 weeks away on a big scale.
Rock. Hard Place.
6 years? Yeah, probable about right in terms of the normal economic cycle.
WWW
House prices are falling. There is no QE or slashing Interest Rates available. Taxes have gone up and public sector job cuts are 6 weeks away on a big scale.
Rock. Hard Place.
6 years? Yeah, probable about right in terms of the normal economic cycle.
WWW
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I am about to make up plans for the atumn and I know I should opt for university. However, after searching and analysing info, it's still difficult to deside wether this is the right time to head off to uni for 3 years or wether it's now one should start training. I don't want to miss the train!
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Anyone who is contemplating having a go at it in these circumstance clearly does not have the decision making skills necessary to become a pilot.
Get your PPL and enjoy private flying for now.
Though on a lighter note, the other day I stumbled accross a post by WWW posted early last decade, predicting a prosperous economic future.
Get your PPL and enjoy private flying for now.
Though on a lighter note, the other day I stumbled accross a post by WWW posted early last decade, predicting a prosperous economic future.
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I can say 1 thing for sure. More and more people fly by each year (look at data from airports), companies ordering more and more airplanes, opening new routes. More and more airports is build and getting expended. (only in chine they gonna build around 50 new ports (now they have around 90, so they almost gonna doble them).
Im not sure, but it just maaaay be, indication of market picking up?! Or does it mean less pilot jobs available...?
"expensive oil" and stuff like that is completely BS! Companies not gonna close routes and fly less, because of expensive oil. They make money of FLYING, not on having fewer routes.
Ticket prices maybe higher, wages lower, lower service... but by all means, not "less flying".
And lets not forget about "new technology" that make flight much more fuel efficient... which would mean "more jobs"?
Im not sure, but it just maaaay be, indication of market picking up?! Or does it mean less pilot jobs available...?
"expensive oil" and stuff like that is completely BS! Companies not gonna close routes and fly less, because of expensive oil. They make money of FLYING, not on having fewer routes.
Ticket prices maybe higher, wages lower, lower service... but by all means, not "less flying".
And lets not forget about "new technology" that make flight much more fuel efficient... which would mean "more jobs"?
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I can say 1 thing for sure. More and more people fly by each year (look at data from airports), companies ordering more and more airplanes, opening new routes. More and more airports is build and getting expended. (only in chine they gonna build around 50 new ports (now they have around 90, so they almost gonna doble them).
Im not sure, but it just maaaay be, indication of market picking up?! Or does it mean less pilot jobs available...?
Im not sure, but it just maaaay be, indication of market picking up?! Or does it mean less pilot jobs available...?
"expensive oil" and stuff like that is completely BS! Companies not gonna close routes and fly less, because of expensive oil. They make money of FLYING, not on having fewer routes.
Ticket prices maybe higher, wages lower, lower service... but by all means, not "less flying".
And lets not forget about "new technology" that make flight much more fuel efficient... which would mean "more jobs"?
Ticket prices maybe higher, wages lower, lower service... but by all means, not "less flying".
And lets not forget about "new technology" that make flight much more fuel efficient... which would mean "more jobs"?
new technology means aircraft cost more, more insurance to pay,... even if you plane burn 4 G instead of 8 G/hour, insurance will triple because the plane cost 300'000 instead of 100'000
you want to convince yourself your didn't lose money. sorry guys, you should have chosen another profession.
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Anyone who is contemplating having a go at it in these circumstance clearly does not have the decision making skills necessary to become a pilot.
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As I said in my other post, I do know people, who worked hard and got (or about to get) into cockpit in 737 for good airliners.
As well, I do know people, who got their CPL IR and now working at gas station/subway/mcDonalds. Because they dont do their best, to get into cockpit of an airliner.
Dont forget, people getting older, quitting their jobs, getting off with pensions. And airliners need people. As we both agreed, more and more airports getting build, they growing bigger, people fly more and more.
As well, companies do replace some of the old planes, yes. But they as well do order NEW. That called expending the fleet. They do open new routes.
Companies need new people all the time. No matter what you say. No one cares, what you are saying. Cause this is FACTS.
People fly more, companies opening new routes, its more and bigger airports everywhere in the world. Old pilots getting out.
According to your post, NO ONE will get hire. Never ever, no matter what.
I dont mean to be disrespectful, but its seems like you self never made it into the cockpit. And now you are so bitter, just trying to ruin the dream for everyone else.
Anyhow, I dont want to argue with you.
Id rather tell people, there is jobs out there. And it will be more. Simply because industry is growing all the time.
Cheers
As I said in my other post, I do know people, who worked hard and got (or about to get) into cockpit in 737 for good airliners.
As well, I do know people, who got their CPL IR and now working at gas station/subway/mcDonalds. Because they dont do their best, to get into cockpit of an airliner.
Dont forget, people getting older, quitting their jobs, getting off with pensions. And airliners need people. As we both agreed, more and more airports getting build, they growing bigger, people fly more and more.
As well, companies do replace some of the old planes, yes. But they as well do order NEW. That called expending the fleet. They do open new routes.
Companies need new people all the time. No matter what you say. No one cares, what you are saying. Cause this is FACTS.
People fly more, companies opening new routes, its more and bigger airports everywhere in the world. Old pilots getting out.
According to your post, NO ONE will get hire. Never ever, no matter what.
I dont mean to be disrespectful, but its seems like you self never made it into the cockpit. And now you are so bitter, just trying to ruin the dream for everyone else.
Anyhow, I dont want to argue with you.
Id rather tell people, there is jobs out there. And it will be more. Simply because industry is growing all the time.
Cheers