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Old 4th Apr 2010, 21:30
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Snoop Oxford Vs Jerez

Im planning to do my CPL in europe, i am from india,

i am confused over choosing jerez or oxford and the opportunities associated with the school once i finish my course , i am an indian national so wondering if airlines in europe would consider,

on the other hand should i take up a integrated or modular and skip ATPL THEORY IF I WISH TO RETURN TO INDIA AND CONVERT MY LICENCE !??

DO Oxford or jerez offer integrated courses skipping ATPL ?

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Old 5th Apr 2010, 11:58
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easter bunnies...where is my ruddy egg!

Didnt read all the pages of this thread however got the gist:

Hope my info helps peeps save money, I found it the best value for money (so far)

Do PPL(A) and PPL (H) depends on you I supose

ATPL Ground school is just 1 more exam now so an extra 66 3k total

The nice thing is now....get your IR and CPL on the fixed wing then take advantage of the dispensations given by the CAA towards the ATPL H. IR is a 10 hour conversion pluss a type rating (budget 30k depending how good you are) CPL you only need 105 hours.

Not for every one I supose, but not a bad way of grabbing a really usefull ticket to ride, it also gives you great versatility in the market.

Good luck all! and dont forget.....its only money!
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Old 5th Apr 2010, 18:15
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Boeing/Airbus major airline jobs are ten-a-penny compared to helicopter jobs...

Other than that a fine plan!
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Old 5th Apr 2010, 19:00
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DO Oxford or jerez offer integrated courses skipping ATPL
No they do not.

The reason for a zero2hero course is to provide a consistent structure of study through which individual performance can be constantly monitored. When the airlines decide to look at hiring ab-initio guys they can see how each has fared and developed in an intensive learning environment. A seemless training program - it is hoped - minimises airline training risk.

The notion of doing an integrated program is, in this current climate, a little optimistic since the airlines are not hiring ab-initio directly at the moment anyway (regardless of what the likes of OAA will tell you)...not unless you've got another 30K odd to spend on a limited PTF program that is.

With regards to Modular students: G SXTY is a good example of success. If I'm right in thinking, the airline he/she works for and at the time of hiring actually rejected a batch of "recommended" integrated students a while back because they were so poor - and yet they originated from a well known FTO. They took modular guys instead. This same airline, at the time of hiring, openly welcomed applications from modular guys who had trained at not more than 2 FTOs.

There are requirements to do modular flight training (none for ATPL theorey) with OAA and Jerez and you may want to check LASORS for them.

LASORS: LASORS 2008 | Publications | CAA

Good luck
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Old 7th Apr 2010, 18:15
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And if I get my PPL in a local flying club, does this count as a 'school'?
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Old 8th Apr 2010, 10:06
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take from it what you want.

I've just seen my post has been made in to a sticky, which was not intentional!

I completed my MCC at European in Bournemouth in June last year, all the training was done with out any time off inbetween, the hour building was slightly longer than I hoped due to the typical northern weather between September and Feb.

For my training I appreciate it was still not the cheapest way to get the pieces of paper, however I wanted to do all my training within the UK, as it was important for me to train in the UK airspace, with the weather and to get the most out of it.
I had heard of peoples experiences that being shipped off to the States was not as promised in the PPL brochures (the ones with 737s glossy pictures on the front!)
I looked around 3/4 flying schools before selecting the right one, you can't really do that in America..

The costs I initially put up are current to this day, and I think if I were to do it again I could make it cheaper with the PPL on a Cessna 150/152, and make sandwiches rather than have all day breakfasts for lunch!

PPL, go for a simple 2 seater.
Groundschool, checkout groundschools for offers - or possibly distance learn?
Hour building, buy in to a 100hr building package.
CPL/IR - If you are going for a multi-engine rating, I would suggest doing the CPL.IR all in the multi, otherwise you will be learning to fly two aircraft. Keep it simple!
MCC - 737-200 at European in Bournemouth can not be beaten! Top quality course, lower prices than some static King Air sims, Instructors who can not be beaten on knowledge, and lets face it you have a go in a 737 for the first time!

Accommodation whilst doing the full time ATPL groundschool, some guys I knew hired their own house during the time and shared the costs between them, worked out very cheap, and shared lifts to/from the airport.

These are my thoughts, some of you I am sure will have better/different views!
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Old 8th Apr 2010, 10:56
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And if I get my PPL in a local flying club, does this count as a 'school'?
Yes, it does. However, if where you get your PPL from isnt able to accommodate next stages of training i.e. MECPL/ME-IR then no problem. Simply ensure that all the remainder is done in one place.

Employers are not so happy to see PPL done at one school, MECPL done at another, then ME-IR at another school with MCC done at a 4th school!! As said before they want to be able to track your progress from one source with a view to minimising training risk.

If you are going to train commercially attempt to do it all in one place and committ to it full time so you benefit from that continuity of training.

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Old 8th Apr 2010, 17:45
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hi everyone
New here on this forum, not a professional pilot yet, but looking closely to start training in a month or so.

Sounds a good argument everyone has going on here, been scanning through an i think the modular way will be the route im going to take. been looking at doing from 'zero to hero' at flight academy blackpool, which at the moment have just started a scheduled modular course.

would just like a few pilots opinion on this flight school, are they successful? a recognise school with airlines? and does it seem worth going for, hopefully to complete in 4 years time?

the website is www.fablackpool.com if you have time to have a look.
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Old 8th Apr 2010, 19:37
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So joining a flying club while I'm getting my degree is no problem as long as I stick to one school to get my other licences?
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Old 8th Apr 2010, 23:02
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It certainly helps to have continuity at a formulative stage.
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Old 10th Apr 2010, 06:33
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Hi to everyone
i'm new in PPPRUNE and i'm from france
so i'd like to know if someone could help me ...

so i'd love to be a pilot its my passion
i started my ppl in france and i done about 20 h and i'm doing good they say

so im in florida right now and i'd like to finish my ppl in the US and do my CPL and IR
i'm lost because there is so many pilot schools
i heard about EFT thats all

so if someone can help me !
i dont mind about florida i can move to any states but i need a school with facilities

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Old 14th Apr 2010, 10:52
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FAA training for JAA Licence


Another newbie here, but im wondering has anyone tried this route, and more importantly gotten a job from it?

JAA Professional Pilot | Angel City Flyers, Inc.

Basically, you do all your training in the states under an FAA PPL, add the ratings on to it as you go and then convert the lot to a JAA licence at the end in stapleford...

Oh, the only thing missing from that is you have to do the JAA ATPL exams seperately before you can convert, but it is possible to do those on the cheap post-ppl on the side...

I know PTC (waterford, ireland) do something similar as an integrated course and it still magically works out at some ridiculous figure too...

So im wondering... has anyone tried a route similar to this and actually gotten a job from it?

By the way, for disparity, im not talking about doing your JAA training course in the states directly like they do at Naples or Ormond Beach. I'm talking about doing your training under an FAA licence and then converting that...
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Old 17th Apr 2010, 14:21
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You get what you pay for??

I have been researching training options for quite some time and have been told many a time that the Airlines prefer students fresh out of integrated courses. Is this not true? I was told at a recent seminar that BA for example take the top 2-3 students from integrated courses conducted by Oxford, Cabair, CTC and FTE.

I would much rather pay twice the price for an Integrated course if it gave me a better chance of getting a job at the end of it.

What do you boys think

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Old 17th Apr 2010, 19:49
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wake up and smell the marketing staff cheap instant coffee
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Old 17th Apr 2010, 20:31
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Is this not true?

What do you boys think
Boys indeed.
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Old 18th Apr 2010, 10:21
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TL 638 check post #72 on this thread.
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Old 18th Apr 2010, 10:50
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I would much rather pay twice the price for an Integrated course if it gave me a better chance of getting a job at the end of it.
Striking as this sort of opinion happens to pop up all the time and much more.
Then some criticise WWW's blunt choice of vocab and calling someone 'zombie army' and headless lemmings.

'Boy', did you check current job prospects and for next few years to come, or are you just plain brainwashed by one of the 'pilot seminars'?

Yes, you get what you pay for. Whether it's over the odds, who cares, right?
Someone has to keep all the integrated schools' staff in job, including instructors.

How much of that 'I'd rather spend double' money for 'zero to fATPL' training have you actually earned yourself? Did you read updated information on huge unsecured loans? None now, really. Are your daddies stupid enough to secure their house against secured one??

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Old 18th Apr 2010, 18:56
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Not sure I ever coined the phrase 'headless lemmings' but I'm noting it down for future use..

In the boom times an Integrated course can be a worthwhile spend. We're in a big bad-ass bust right now and for the foreseeable future. Despite this, and proving the total pissing-in-the-wind nature of this forum the Integrated schools are full, are not cutting prices and have a half decent waiting list. All of them.

The swimming pool is full of slurry but still they're eagerly pulling on their trunks and queuing to climb the diving board ladder...

It beats me.
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Old 18th Apr 2010, 19:33
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Ah, I was once a starry eyed wannabe (still a wannabe, just minus the stars) and was debating the cost/chance of employment between Int and Mod, I chose MOD, earn while you learn being the reason. I was an early supporter of the WWW theory and yet still I thought that I'd beat the slump and come up trumps and be sat in the 75 taking off from LBIA. Then XL went bump and being close friends with many of the unfortunates forced me to have a strong sniff of the morning brew.
I am 32 this year and will more than likely be closer to 35 before things are anywhere near being good for pilot recruitment, I'll never be able to earn as a pilot what I earn as an IT engineer and so I find myself asking wether its worth the leap at all. As of the end of last year I put everything on hold and it remains so.
Anyway, thread creep.

In my oppinion its all about what your after. Right now it makes little difference to your prospects of employment either way so you have to take other factors in to consideration. Money is no object to some, budgets are the defining factor to others, some people lack the motivation to self structure their training or lack the discipline to distance learn, Some may like the idea of hour building while travelling, some may want/need to remain close to home for work/family.

There are many champions of both approaches but the reality is that you have to take a long look at yourself, take all factors in to consideration (discipline, motivation, budget, circumstances) and make the decision as only YOU can. And if your not able to then perhaps it was never meant to be in the first place as even me at lowly PPL can tell you that decision making is perhaps one of the greatest qualities you'll need as a pilot.

Ho Hum.

P.s Cheers WWW and all the others that warned us of the storm on the horizon, shame your not as up on volcanology, could've made a mint at the bookies.
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Old 18th Apr 2010, 19:53
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Wen can we expect to see everything turning, anyway? When are the airlines gonna start hiiring again like they did before the downturn? 2 years, 3? 4? Because this is is important to know when you make the Integrated vs Modular decision.
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