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PTC in trouble?

Old 12th Jan 2009, 19:31
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Arrow PTC in trouble?

Have been hearing a lot of rumours that PTC are having money trouble and problems with students? So taught I might list them..

Flight Safety have finished with them in the states
They have downsized their Instructors in Waterford from 8 to 3
Moving out of Airport and into industrial estate
Students a while back refused to fly or do ground because they wanted more money
All the special cases are sent to Skytrace in Weston

Again not saying any of it is true but theres no smoke without fire
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 20:18
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Looks like PTCs overpriced rubbish course and awful treatment of students is finally catching up with them. Graduates have been advising people to steer clear of the place for a long time now, must be taking a heavy toll on new enrollments, especially in the current climate.
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 20:33
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Moving out of Airport and into industrial estate
"Cleared to taxi to the junction of the A45 and B424 - watch out for the traffic lights and no stopping at the burger van"

When you finish for the day, put the plane in the lock-up!!
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Old 12th Jan 2009, 22:05
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Students a while back refused to fly or do ground because they wanted more money
Really? Kyle always told us that GS was free-of-charge for the students of the glittering Airline Program...

He always told us we could get as much as we wanted since it was "included" in the 98k + bucks!!! I still wonder why FIs were FORCED to deliver GS when WX was crap in the sunny SE IRL then...

Anyway...

Happy landings

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Old 15th Jan 2009, 10:27
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So happy to hear that! trained there years ago and got robbed!!!!! since then try'd to warn people away and STILL got sucked in by there fancy wings and bars on there shoulders! I don't even know where to start wit the story's iv heard first hand since then.

It great feeling when I get pulled aside by the management pilots in my airline asking "did you train in that PTC"

Anyway their bridges are burnt wit us and ALL of them said their day would come!


Yeppppeeeeeeeeee
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Old 26th Jan 2009, 13:47
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reap what you sow

Absolutely awful school getting exactly what it deserves. Closure. A sliver lining to the cloud of recession for all considering training in Ireland. Hope the IAA will keep a better watch over FTO’s in future, as the standards in PTC were scandalous.
I hope it does go down the tubes so there are no more horror storys from waterford
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Old 27th Jan 2009, 08:45
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Not all doom and gloom.

I am a student still currently with PTC and all does not seem such much doom and gloom as posted. Alot of the items you bring up have been discussed openly with students and reasons behind them. They put out numerous communications to students lately. The move to the industrial estate is due to they have out grown the airport facility and the other three smaller premises they are already in, in the industrial estate and are pulling it all together into one big building.

The move from FSI is a good one. The head office in New york was reducing instructors dramatically and there was no flying being done. Also 2/3 of the aircraft were not being maintained, so PTC ended the contract and joined with FIT in Melbourne where we have a brand new facility and glass cockpit aircraft. Also the instructors are way better.

PTC also now does all the VFR training in the US and the CPL is all done in the twin - bonus.

The reduction of instructors in waterford is cause they are now out in Melbourne doing the MEP and CPL in better weather. Now done in 4 weeks!

As for the course costs . I can now see exactly what I am spending- to quote them it is "fully transparent "and I can get a live update.

Don't know about the weston thing.


Other stuff that came out in the last couple of days from PTC is fuel surcharge dropping, no more utility costs.

Use of elite procedural trainer is free. Always should have been.

They also are offering past students a discounted course for those who need to renew IR.

They also did a thing for graduates to help them write CVs and do interview technique. More than any other school offers as far as I know.

I hope they are around for a while longer, well till I finish anyway.
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Old 27th Jan 2009, 17:38
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Garden talk

Sounds like a plant.
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Old 27th Jan 2009, 20:00
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i think so too
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Old 28th Jan 2009, 02:24
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Beauty.

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Old 28th Jan 2009, 11:07
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haha....ShockStall: try not to make it TOO obvious you work for ptc next time.
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Old 28th Jan 2009, 12:28
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PTC

The onus is on you Shockstall to prove that you are not PTC management.

If, as we suspect, you are part of PTC then your time would be better spent trying to sort out your house and look after your customers.

I wonder if we will hear from you again.......................
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Old 28th Jan 2009, 13:12
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The move from FSI is a good one. The head office in New york was reducing instructors dramatically and there was no flying being done.....

FSA Is like the BEST school in the USA, I keep my ears on the ground when it comes to FSA related anything, but I haven't heard of them reducing the number of instructors. I know of a hiring postponement but reduction in instructors, no. Ive also never heard a single negative thing about their training standards....only their prices.
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Old 28th Jan 2009, 21:12
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WOW!! I'm so glad all of this is coming out...

I'm a past student of PTC and all I can say is that since I finished I've been steering any wannabe away. far far away. what a joke of a flight school.
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Old 29th Jan 2009, 11:32
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It is very easy to judge from the outside when you have finished or you are not currently in the school.
FSA has been up for sale twice in the last year cause it wasn't making money. The head of marketing left and went to Piper. The centre manager retired and then they brought a muppet in from a sim centre to run the place. Who knew nothing about initial training.

The place went to hell. No new instructors were brought in and the ratio to studnets on our course was 9:1 . Half the planes didn't work either.

Glad to be out in what seems to be a quality provider (FIT) but early days.
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Old 29th Jan 2009, 13:41
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PTC is no worse than any other school. There will always be students and ex students who want something for nothing, usually the ones who can't perform or produce the required standard. I'm sure you will see that on your own course, then you get all the vinyards full of sour grapes.

If the school is working for you then stick at it. Your qualifications and ability are totally your responsibility to achieve NOT the responsibility of the school, instructors, your mum or anyone else. It is not supposed to be a holiday as more than a few students appear to think. You have the access to all the information and help you could need right now so be pro-active and take advantage of it, don't wait to be led. That is not how good Captains behave. When Airlines interview they are not looking at you as an FO they are looking at you as a potential Captain so start practicing that attitude now while you can. Make your own decisions.
The real world of aviation is a lot harder than a few months at PTC and is worse right now.

Yes, there are lots of improvements that PTC and all the other schools could make but it is an expensive and difficult business to run.

Let the people here have the courage to identify themselves and give actual evidence of their complaint then we can find out how they performed at the school. But no of course that won't happen will it because they don't want you to know. Why should anyone believe an anonymous posting by an underachiever?
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Old 29th Jan 2009, 13:56
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And one other thing 'Chocktochock' FSI are in trouble they have been trying to get rid of the Vero Beach facility for some time. Get your facts right. As for standard of training I have done three type ratings at Flight Safety and the training leaves a lot to be desired unfortunately and it is not what you would like to think it should be.
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Old 30th Jan 2009, 00:26
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Why should anyone believe an anonymous posting by an underachiever?
oh come on!

just because somebody (or many people) has a bad opinion of an FTO does not automatically mean they are bitter failures. yes im sure in some cases it could well be the truth, but in the minority of situations i think. its becoming an all-too-common theme here, 'oh you have a problem do you? well youre obviously shit so sod off and shut up'

going by your logic then there must be a hell of a lot of underachievers on PPRuNe! which is amazing really considering all the 98% pass rates and 98% job placement etc etc. pretty big 2%...

and before anyone comes on to call me a silly little twerp please note i am neither praising nor criticising PTC or any other FTO, merely making an observation about a flawed and insulting generalisation made by a previous poster.
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Old 30th Jan 2009, 15:01
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Get your facts right. As for standard of training I have done three type ratings at Flight Safety
lol

Unless the three type ratings were for the Piper Archer, Arrow, and Seminole....

"PILOTBEAR"
As you were talking about "facts" Doing type ratings at an FSI (Flight Safety International....various locations worldwide) center, is not the same as training training at FSA (Flight safety Academy) Vero Beach campus which is an Ab-Initio-CPL/CFI flight school. FSA its a business like any other. As with the Parent company FSI...or is it Berkshire Hathaway, trying to "get rid of it" as you so factually state is something not unusual in business- I take it you are talking about the failed sale to GTI Group and needless to say in today's current economical climate (The same thing happened at OAT not to long ago), and has nothing to do with training standards. FSA is a big academy lots and lots of planes, equipment and staff....very big etc etc



I should have known better than to say "I think XXX is the best" in the PPRuNe Courtroom- sigh.

I think that they are damn good !!!!!!
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Old 4th Feb 2009, 00:07
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The real problem with PTC and flight safety and PTC seems to be the STUDENTS and their extremely poor behaviour which has caused Flight Safety to terminate the contract (albeit rumour)
See :
Corrupt management - jetcareers
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