Be realistic, my friends...
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From: Stockholm
Just another thing.
Doesn't rookie pilots usually start with taxi jobs and smaller "charter" jobs + maybe even "freight" jobs?
Do you guys think that pilots with many thounds of hours of TT + say B737 rating would "downgrade" and take such a job if they got unemployed (with a 50-70% salary cut)? Wouldn't they want to move to say middle east instead of taking those jobs?
Regards
Eikido
Doesn't rookie pilots usually start with taxi jobs and smaller "charter" jobs + maybe even "freight" jobs?
Do you guys think that pilots with many thounds of hours of TT + say B737 rating would "downgrade" and take such a job if they got unemployed (with a 50-70% salary cut)? Wouldn't they want to move to say middle east instead of taking those jobs?
Regards
Eikido
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From: Hoylake
Im sure a few would 'downgrade' but look at it from the employers point of view, freight and air taxi operators are normally smaller oufits than where these unfortunate redundant pilots have come from.
As a smaller operator would you risk employing a jet type rated experienced pilot, type rating/training them on your aircraft, offering a smaller salary than whats the norm for there experience.
The risk being that they will be back to a jet operator quicker than a low hour pilot would move onwards and upwards, you then have to train others up to replace them, and as we well know, training is expensive!
Could be very costly for the smaller outfits.
As a smaller operator would you risk employing a jet type rated experienced pilot, type rating/training them on your aircraft, offering a smaller salary than whats the norm for there experience.
The risk being that they will be back to a jet operator quicker than a low hour pilot would move onwards and upwards, you then have to train others up to replace them, and as we well know, training is expensive!
Could be very costly for the smaller outfits.
The Cooler King
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From: Europe
You all might want to have a look at this reality check here:
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...-jobs-yet.html
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...-jobs-yet.html
Thread Starter
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From: AEP
Further bad news
Right now. I think many airlines - North America and Europe - will be stopping any hiring, and will be (already) putting a lot of pilots on the streets. I have no numbers for Europe, but I think some 3,500-4,000 total are being put on layoff, or about to be, in the USA at the present time.
xxx
Have you heard the banking news since last Friday in Europe - Looks like the spectacular "financial problems" with banks in the USA is having a direct effect with European banks, in UK, Germany and Benelux. When "business" is not going too well, people do not travel as much. The Footsie, the DAX, the CAC40 are as good indicators as to future airline hiring plans... So, watch-out in Europe, next month might bring further bad news again for pilot openings.
xxx
If you are about to get your pilot licence, or just got it recently, and still hope to get an airline interview soon, I would suggest you to consider alternatives to your plans. Consider qualifying as C-152 PPL flight instructor, next spring, rather than that A-320 F/O job you were "100% sure to get" next week.
xxx
Happy contrails
xxx
Have you heard the banking news since last Friday in Europe - Looks like the spectacular "financial problems" with banks in the USA is having a direct effect with European banks, in UK, Germany and Benelux. When "business" is not going too well, people do not travel as much. The Footsie, the DAX, the CAC40 are as good indicators as to future airline hiring plans... So, watch-out in Europe, next month might bring further bad news again for pilot openings.
xxx
If you are about to get your pilot licence, or just got it recently, and still hope to get an airline interview soon, I would suggest you to consider alternatives to your plans. Consider qualifying as C-152 PPL flight instructor, next spring, rather than that A-320 F/O job you were "100% sure to get" next week.
xxx
Happy contrails
The Cooler King
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From: Europe
I have just been told by a now rather distraught friend working there, that Easyjet have let go over 20 CTC graduates from their Gatwick base.
They will all finish up at the end of October.
More to be let go from other bases around Europe.
It's happening folks.
They will all finish up at the end of October.
More to be let go from other bases around Europe.
It's happening folks.
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From: Dry bar
Be aware that people will downgrade as you put it in your post, I know I certainly would. The reason is lots of these guys will want to retain some sort of flying and rating (i.e renewing their multi ir). Believe this, it wont take long to get an experienced pilot familiar again with flying air taxi or even instructing. Dont kid yourself that the wannabee will be favoured over the more experienced pilot.
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From: Gods waiting room!
Shaun is right.
I've spoken to more than one or two small reginal outfits this last couple of weeks and after the usual "no sorry we are not recruiting" blerb, all of a sudden you tell them your experience and amazingly they may have something available!
I bet a pound to a penny the door would be closed if i only had 300 hrs.
I've spoken to more than one or two small reginal outfits this last couple of weeks and after the usual "no sorry we are not recruiting" blerb, all of a sudden you tell them your experience and amazingly they may have something available!
I bet a pound to a penny the door would be closed if i only had 300 hrs.
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From: UK
Nope, I know of 2 low hours guys(250 hours) that have just got regional TP jobs, and another who's just got a corporate/biz job. There's no denying the overall situation isnt good but there's still 1 or 2 folks getting through the system.
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From: Herefordshire aka "the back of beyond"
Great thread guys, some good sound advice and, as usual conflicting opinions, but thats what makes the world go round, right??
Some of the retorts to "Dog" are priceless, love the humour!
Regarding said "Dog", these kind of people are there for us to rip the piss out of, and they may well go far in an aviation career but will be regarded in the same way people see traffic wardens!
I don't post often, I like to read threads and let them sink in. I think the best advice is listen to it!
Good luck to everyone on here, whatever they end up doing (even you "Dog").
Some of the retorts to "Dog" are priceless, love the humour!
Regarding said "Dog", these kind of people are there for us to rip the piss out of, and they may well go far in an aviation career but will be regarded in the same way people see traffic wardens!
I don't post often, I like to read threads and let them sink in. I think the best advice is listen to it!
Good luck to everyone on here, whatever they end up doing (even you "Dog").
Pprune Voyeur
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From: hampshire
dog.101, I refuse to believe that you are real. I think that you a computer virus, a scrap of malevolent script written for the purposes of making my fillings hurt and the esteemed moderator of this forum more weasely and more wee. If, Heaven forbid, you do actually exist, I suspect that you and this tube shared a seat and licked the same window on the Sunshine Bus.
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ml#post1521151 (See posts by 747 truth... )
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ml#post1521151 (See posts by 747 truth... )
Biscuit,
I respect your opinion and I thank you for it. I don’t agree with your opinion but I respect it.
Please keep thinking the way you do because I know you will never ever be a competitor for the jobs I am going for and will get. I know pilots that earn double what you stated (in some cases triple) all because of sacrifice, dedication and hardwork (so what if it costs a marriage or some other material thing).
I respect your opinion and I thank you for it. I don’t agree with your opinion but I respect it.
Please keep thinking the way you do because I know you will never ever be a competitor for the jobs I am going for and will get. I know pilots that earn double what you stated (in some cases triple) all because of sacrifice, dedication and hardwork (so what if it costs a marriage or some other material thing).
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From: east of west
And you wont here from me again girls...
I have some quality time coming up in a A320 sim so I have better things to do than sit talking to you losers talking Crap day in and day out.
Who are they you ask well all I will say is look out for a new co in Early December. (old company new name, new aircraft)
I must say In my country Idiots like you lot would be left in the back serving the drinks.
I will look back on you all in 3 months just to see if you actualy did anything with your lives or you all sitting here moaning about other peoples good fortune.
bye bye
SEE YOU ALL IN 3 MONTHS!
I have some quality time coming up in a A320 sim so I have better things to do than sit talking to you losers talking Crap day in and day out.
Who are they you ask well all I will say is look out for a new co in Early December. (old company new name, new aircraft)
I must say In my country Idiots like you lot would be left in the back serving the drinks.
I will look back on you all in 3 months just to see if you actualy did anything with your lives or you all sitting here moaning about other peoples good fortune.
bye bye
SEE YOU ALL IN 3 MONTHS!