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I wanted to be a pilot, but the Gulf war, and the subsequent airline crisis force me to switch career. I became a university professor. When I am not writing/teaching/attending conferences, I read this website.
When I was I my early 20s, I did not have the money, and my parents were not supportive of a career as an airline pilot. People who say that you should not be a pilot are either jealous, or try to deter you because they see you as a competitor on the job market.
It does not take 10 years to be a pilot. I have seen some being successful in 3 years.
Regarding your comments on how low salaries are in the aviation sector; as a research assistant, I was only making $1,200. At the age of 29, I was earning $3,500.
In recent years, my career became more rewarding. I enjoyed writing, being published, teaching, travelling on conferences all over the world, and my salary got higher. But after 12 years, I have experienced a mid-career fatigue, and I often wonder if I would be happier flying planes.
On my right on my desk, I have a yoke/pedals/projector and flight simulator that screens a cockpit on the wall of my flat
It is not easy to study aviation in addition to a day job. I spend my week in books. I dread spending the entire weekend studying hydraulics and avionics. My brain need to rest too.
You cannot wait to leave the cockpit to study the Incas. I cannot wait to retire to learn how to fly.
When I was I my early 20s, I did not have the money, and my parents were not supportive of a career as an airline pilot. People who say that you should not be a pilot are either jealous, or try to deter you because they see you as a competitor on the job market.
It does not take 10 years to be a pilot. I have seen some being successful in 3 years.
Regarding your comments on how low salaries are in the aviation sector; as a research assistant, I was only making $1,200. At the age of 29, I was earning $3,500.
In recent years, my career became more rewarding. I enjoyed writing, being published, teaching, travelling on conferences all over the world, and my salary got higher. But after 12 years, I have experienced a mid-career fatigue, and I often wonder if I would be happier flying planes.
On my right on my desk, I have a yoke/pedals/projector and flight simulator that screens a cockpit on the wall of my flat
It is not easy to study aviation in addition to a day job. I spend my week in books. I dread spending the entire weekend studying hydraulics and avionics. My brain need to rest too.
You cannot wait to leave the cockpit to study the Incas. I cannot wait to retire to learn how to fly.
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Every body here is caring about the puppy...but MarcoFF did reply for all the wannabees and those who believe in the dream and going to make it reality. I don't care about the market, I don't care about people complaining and pilots at home unable to find their first job. I'm at the beginning of this path, I care about my training and when it comes to find ANY sort of flying job, I'll knock on every door until the lucky day (fortune is a contributing factor) comes and will pay for all the efforts spent for the training.
And like it's hard to find a flying job nowadays, in my country it's hard to find any other kind of job, it's not only the aviation career which is in trouble. If you believe in it, then go for it.
And like it's hard to find a flying job nowadays, in my country it's hard to find any other kind of job, it's not only the aviation career which is in trouble. If you believe in it, then go for it.
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aye i know dog101 , jes lads i e-mailed there and he said he'd give us all jobs if we wanted,, sponsored type ratings on B777's as well, command within three years and all,,, FOR DEFINITE
so the facts
- Sponsored Type rating B777
- Boeing 777
-Command within 3 years
He said just to forward him all your CV's to
[email protected]
Thanks for that Dogg
(Boy do you have much to learn if you think it's that easy... I laugh).
English might not be your first language but do you repeat words in your own language to.. "it it."""..lol..
p.s Fire them CV's in boyo's
so the facts
- Sponsored Type rating B777
- Boeing 777
-Command within 3 years
He said just to forward him all your CV's to
[email protected]
Thanks for that Dogg
(Boy do you have much to learn if you think it's that easy... I laugh).
English might not be your first language but do you repeat words in your own language to.. "it it."""..lol..
p.s Fire them CV's in boyo's
can tell you now MATEY I will be in a RHS in under 3 months "FACT"
I dont listen to the so called experienced guys on this site I would not really even use this site.. what have i got 4 or 5 posts..I have better things to do with my life than sit at a pc bitching to the world..But I do wish you well with that!!
I live I the real world and listne to my good friends (PILOTS) who are actualy in a position to get me that RHS and I am very privileged to know them.
You see you judged a book by it's cover and you got it wrong and that is the problem with these chat site things, People will end up taking advice from people who think they know what they are talking about
and that is very dangerous to a weak minded person.
Its all about who ya know....Aint It!
I dont listen to the so called experienced guys on this site I would not really even use this site.. what have i got 4 or 5 posts..I have better things to do with my life than sit at a pc bitching to the world..But I do wish you well with that!!
I live I the real world and listne to my good friends (PILOTS) who are actualy in a position to get me that RHS and I am very privileged to know them.
You see you judged a book by it's cover and you got it wrong and that is the problem with these chat site things, People will end up taking advice from people who think they know what they are talking about
and that is very dangerous to a weak minded person.
Its all about who ya know....Aint It!
you're gonna be an assett to the business with that attitude----
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The situation in the industry in Europe and the USA is going from bad to worse. Airlines are wrapping up and same as they have done many times in the past, they will not say a word until the last minute.
Most pilots are working for a board that doesn't give a sh*t about them.
One poor crew I know, were told when they entered the flightdeck that the plane was going nowhere and the company was shutting down.
A lot of pilots will be losing their jobs in the next while and even more pilots will be "furloughed" which, when you cut out all the bs, means they have as good as lost their jobs as well.
I see it now, beginning to happen. We have the ostriches who say that everything is fine and that there is hope on the horizon, we have the ones who will stay until the doors close, and there are the ones I see here every day, who have decided that the risk is too high and have resigned their posts in Europe and the US and are moving out to the Middle East where they are being welcomed with open arms. Why?
Because these pilots are desparate to find work and the airlines in the Middle East need pilots to replace those who have decided to bail from here because they are treated like crap, the rosters are insane and they are just worn out from the region in general.
They've taken their hard-earned cash and gone home to do something more worthwhile.
Start-ups in the US and Europe? None of any worthy mention.
The smaller players dried up early - Silverjet, Maxjet.
And now the bigger players are starting to fall - XL, Zoom and Futura with rumours of plans by some low-cost carriers to start offering or, in some cases, forcing Winter season UNPAID leave on crews.
New airlines in the Middle East? Yes, they are in the pipeline.
Let's look at FlyDubai as an example. A fleet of 737NGs with a demand for God knows how many pilots to fly them.
And boy, will they have the cream of the crop to choose from!
Thousands of pilots with thousands of hours on the NG, and even some willing to shell out for a type-rating, having thousands, let that sink in, THOUSANDS of hours on other medium and heavy jets.
As a young pilot, fresh out of school with your MCC and 250 hours TT with about 50 hours of that on multis, you have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a job anywhere in the world at the moment.
Even when the industry stabilises in God knows how long, you will still then be bottom of the barrel and you can bet the farm that your salary will be far lower than you thought, or the pin-stripe suited sales rep from ACME Flying School told you it would be.
You will find yourself clamoring to pay your monthly loan charges for the next few years and then as I said above, finding no respite financially when the new jobs come around because again, it will be an employer's market.
I am lucky enough to have a great position here in the Middle East and have been constantly asking myself of late, why would I bother going to the airlines and taking about a 70% cut in basic salary per year, crap rosters and no respect....my heart lies with flying heavy jets around the world, but reality has taken a firm hold on me now.
I'm staying put and for those of you about to shell out for an ATPL, I implore you to reconsider.
And for those of you who are half way through the process, I guarantee the majority of you, that it is going to be a very rough ride for the next few years.
Farrell
Most pilots are working for a board that doesn't give a sh*t about them.
One poor crew I know, were told when they entered the flightdeck that the plane was going nowhere and the company was shutting down.
A lot of pilots will be losing their jobs in the next while and even more pilots will be "furloughed" which, when you cut out all the bs, means they have as good as lost their jobs as well.
I see it now, beginning to happen. We have the ostriches who say that everything is fine and that there is hope on the horizon, we have the ones who will stay until the doors close, and there are the ones I see here every day, who have decided that the risk is too high and have resigned their posts in Europe and the US and are moving out to the Middle East where they are being welcomed with open arms. Why?
Because these pilots are desparate to find work and the airlines in the Middle East need pilots to replace those who have decided to bail from here because they are treated like crap, the rosters are insane and they are just worn out from the region in general.
They've taken their hard-earned cash and gone home to do something more worthwhile.
Start-ups in the US and Europe? None of any worthy mention.
The smaller players dried up early - Silverjet, Maxjet.
And now the bigger players are starting to fall - XL, Zoom and Futura with rumours of plans by some low-cost carriers to start offering or, in some cases, forcing Winter season UNPAID leave on crews.
New airlines in the Middle East? Yes, they are in the pipeline.
Let's look at FlyDubai as an example. A fleet of 737NGs with a demand for God knows how many pilots to fly them.
And boy, will they have the cream of the crop to choose from!
Thousands of pilots with thousands of hours on the NG, and even some willing to shell out for a type-rating, having thousands, let that sink in, THOUSANDS of hours on other medium and heavy jets.
As a young pilot, fresh out of school with your MCC and 250 hours TT with about 50 hours of that on multis, you have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a job anywhere in the world at the moment.
Even when the industry stabilises in God knows how long, you will still then be bottom of the barrel and you can bet the farm that your salary will be far lower than you thought, or the pin-stripe suited sales rep from ACME Flying School told you it would be.
You will find yourself clamoring to pay your monthly loan charges for the next few years and then as I said above, finding no respite financially when the new jobs come around because again, it will be an employer's market.
I am lucky enough to have a great position here in the Middle East and have been constantly asking myself of late, why would I bother going to the airlines and taking about a 70% cut in basic salary per year, crap rosters and no respect....my heart lies with flying heavy jets around the world, but reality has taken a firm hold on me now.
I'm staying put and for those of you about to shell out for an ATPL, I implore you to reconsider.
And for those of you who are half way through the process, I guarantee the majority of you, that it is going to be a very rough ride for the next few years.
Farrell
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O my, Celtic Pilot and what BOG have they draged you out of ...I would hold off on the English lessons if this is the best you can do.
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"jes lads i e-mailed there and he said he'd give us all jobs if we wanted" "wheres me spuds"
Do you really think I give a crap what you think about me...Dream on sunshine..
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"jes lads i e-mailed there and he said he'd give us all jobs if we wanted" "wheres me spuds"
Do you really think I give a crap what you think about me...Dream on sunshine..
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So why do airliners ever hire rookies with 250h and MCC?
Can't airliners find pilots with experience? I feel airliners can always find pilots with experience but they stille seem to hire rookies.
Can't airliners find pilots with experience? I feel airliners can always find pilots with experience but they stille seem to hire rookies.
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Dog, you really must be joking. There's not damn way of getting to the RHS within 3 months :| Do you read the news, papers, websites, about the downturn? You should. I'm even slowing down my training because I know I won't get a job that easily in the next few years ( talking about airlines ).
Dog it is about who you know, more than what you know. I agree with that, but during the downturn.. you really must be crazy if you believe you'll get command within 3 months..
You have to stop dreaming, and realise what's really going on in the world.
Dog it is about who you know, more than what you know. I agree with that, but during the downturn.. you really must be crazy if you believe you'll get command within 3 months..
You have to stop dreaming, and realise what's really going on in the world.
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So why do airliners ever hire rookies with 250h and MCC?
Can't airliners find pilots with experience? I feel airliners can always find pilots with experience but they stille seem to hire rookies.
Can't airliners find pilots with experience? I feel airliners can always find pilots with experience but they stille seem to hire rookies.
However, as some of these airlines are closing down, or going onto skeleton staffing levels, more and more of the newbies above will find themselves on the dole queue.
There was a pilot shortage when there was massive expansion going on and it was party time for newbies - now, the squeeze is on and you will get dropped for pilots double your age with ten times the flight time as the market dwindles.
Try getting a job at a legacy airline with 250TT and see how far you get.
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Dog101... You are a while man indeed.....
Think you are the one that has to keep dreaming,,, (rinne me briongloid)
Just keep talking and we'll all keep laughing... no harm having dreams right enough however try to be at least a wee bit realistic and listen to what others have to say on this forum,, people who are in the industry...
there no way a newbie will have a job in the RHS in three months in the current climate, the only way that will happen is when you become an instructor in a cessna 152....
Listen a bit more, talk a bit less!!!!!
good bit of advice!!!
p.s you never did answer the questions laid out in post #41..
''we are all ears''
Think you are the one that has to keep dreaming,,, (rinne me briongloid)
Just keep talking and we'll all keep laughing... no harm having dreams right enough however try to be at least a wee bit realistic and listen to what others have to say on this forum,, people who are in the industry...
there no way a newbie will have a job in the RHS in three months in the current climate, the only way that will happen is when you become an instructor in a cessna 152....
Listen a bit more, talk a bit less!!!!!
good bit of advice!!!
p.s you never did answer the questions laid out in post #41..
''we are all ears''
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I'd imagine dog101 and reluctant737 (see this thread http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/3431...-hate-job.html ) are one and the same, if not they share the same genetic abnormalities. Fingers crossed neither will actually ever fly a passenger aircraft 
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Ekido - how and why airlines recruit has and always will be a bit of a mystery. From what I have seen in the industry no matter how good the forward planning there always seems to be a last minute rush to recruit. Often you will hear stories of people gettting hired today for a job starting Monday type of thing.
I know in my outfit the commercial teams invariably don't talk to the training department and then are aghast at the lead time in getting their precious airframes fully crewed. They will cite commercial sensitivity etc for playing their cards close to their chest.
The ex legacy airlines would have you believe that they have a recruitment plan in place to ensure that there are no retirement bulges. The likes of the big boys such as BA/Lufty would do this to a degree. Hence why they would take on a mix of pilots from 250hr through to 1000hr non type rated through to type rated experienced pilots.
As a general rule smaller airlines tend to feed into the bigger ones and wouldn't have as much loyalty from their employees hence recruit on the fly depending on their needs. The FR's of the world obviously find it more cost efficient to have low houred people in the RHS explaining the reason why they take on so many newbies.
Overall I tend to sit in the Farrell camp. I think there will be very limited opportunities for newbies in the near future. With FR stopping recruitment this will have a big impact. As you would know they were the largest recruiter by far of low hour pilots in Europe.
I know in my outfit the commercial teams invariably don't talk to the training department and then are aghast at the lead time in getting their precious airframes fully crewed. They will cite commercial sensitivity etc for playing their cards close to their chest.
The ex legacy airlines would have you believe that they have a recruitment plan in place to ensure that there are no retirement bulges. The likes of the big boys such as BA/Lufty would do this to a degree. Hence why they would take on a mix of pilots from 250hr through to 1000hr non type rated through to type rated experienced pilots.
As a general rule smaller airlines tend to feed into the bigger ones and wouldn't have as much loyalty from their employees hence recruit on the fly depending on their needs. The FR's of the world obviously find it more cost efficient to have low houred people in the RHS explaining the reason why they take on so many newbies.
Overall I tend to sit in the Farrell camp. I think there will be very limited opportunities for newbies in the near future. With FR stopping recruitment this will have a big impact. As you would know they were the largest recruiter by far of low hour pilots in Europe.
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Dont listen to those on here, congrats on your new job.
Its always best to pre-study before your course, have a read of some technical material applicable to your skill level
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Dont listen to those on here, congrats on your new job.
Its always best to pre-study before your course, have a read of some technical material applicable to your skill level
Computer Based Training