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Hey every one,
I am hopefully off to Oxford next year after years of graft!!
I just wanted to know if anyone has a bad word to say about it. Obviously, I know that it is an expensive school but i have have friends that have been there and they have no flaws about the place.
Best wishes and good luck to every one.
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I am hopefully off to Oxford next year after years of graft!!
I just wanted to know if anyone has a bad word to say about it. Obviously, I know that it is an expensive school but i have have friends that have been there and they have no flaws about the place.
Best wishes and good luck to every one.
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I have got through the skills assessment and have a provisional start for March 2008. As Lurking123 points out, it is very expensive. You'll be looking at around £80K ir the training, accommodation and food.
I am looking at doing it in the US, with conversion partnered with PTC (Ireland). The cost of the course is in the region of £51K, which includes the FAA course, the JAA conversion course, accommodation and food. Saving me enough money if I want to go to Ryanair (for the type rating. Still alot cheaper than going to OAA.
On the other hand i know someone on the course there, and he's enjoying it immensely. But it all depends on how deep your pockets are.
Look at some other schools to see the savings you can make!
All the best
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I have got through the skills assessment and have a provisional start for March 2008. As Lurking123 points out, it is very expensive. You'll be looking at around £80K ir the training, accommodation and food.
I am looking at doing it in the US, with conversion partnered with PTC (Ireland). The cost of the course is in the region of £51K, which includes the FAA course, the JAA conversion course, accommodation and food. Saving me enough money if I want to go to Ryanair (for the type rating. Still alot cheaper than going to OAA.
On the other hand i know someone on the course there, and he's enjoying it immensely. But it all depends on how deep your pockets are.
Look at some other schools to see the savings you can make!
All the best
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There will doubtless be many acerbic responses relating to the costs (which are hard to deny!). But you will also see several people without any direct experience of the school coming out with all kinds of rubbish.
There won't be many people (other than modular students) who will have direct experience of more than one FTO / training route.
From my own personal experience I can say that the Ground School instruction was largely excellent with a couple of minor exceptions. Saying that - at least 95% if not 100% of OAA students will make use of Bristol GS in preparation for the exams.
My experience of the flight training in Goodyear was excellent although there were certainly admin and maintenance issues which were generally well handled.
Having completed my CPL 1.5 weeks early (and all of our course finishing on time as far as I know) I do not start flight training in the UK for a couple of weeks. The general impression from course colleagues ahead of us is that the UK-based instructors are of excellent standard and the maintenance is generally much better than Goodyear.
There won't be many people (other than modular students) who will have direct experience of more than one FTO / training route.
From my own personal experience I can say that the Ground School instruction was largely excellent with a couple of minor exceptions. Saying that - at least 95% if not 100% of OAA students will make use of Bristol GS in preparation for the exams.
My experience of the flight training in Goodyear was excellent although there were certainly admin and maintenance issues which were generally well handled.
Having completed my CPL 1.5 weeks early (and all of our course finishing on time as far as I know) I do not start flight training in the UK for a couple of weeks. The general impression from course colleagues ahead of us is that the UK-based instructors are of excellent standard and the maintenance is generally much better than Goodyear.
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Most people who know OAA or have been there generally praise it. Those who do not know OAA and have not been there generally knock it. You must weigh up all the odds and decide for yourself which is the best route to take. Whatever you do, becoming a pilot is not cheap.
From OAA site:
08 to date - RYR 39%, BA 13.6%
07 - RYR 22%, BA 16.6%
06 - RYR 3%, BA 16.3%
05 - RYR 1.1%, 19.2%
So plenty do still go to BA, just more to RYR at the moment, so don't put any BA ambitions on hold just yet. Ryanair have taken a large number of pilots form all areas over the past few years, not just from OAA. This is inevitable as RYR have expanded so fast. You would expect this to drop off if their expansion slows, but also everyone's recruitment might slow. Oh to be able to see into the future.
OAA has never just been a feeder for BA. OAA pilots have always gone to a variety of employers. Like any career, the key is getting that first job.
Best of luck for the future
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From OAA site:
08 to date - RYR 39%, BA 13.6%
07 - RYR 22%, BA 16.6%
06 - RYR 3%, BA 16.3%
05 - RYR 1.1%, 19.2%
So plenty do still go to BA, just more to RYR at the moment, so don't put any BA ambitions on hold just yet. Ryanair have taken a large number of pilots form all areas over the past few years, not just from OAA. This is inevitable as RYR have expanded so fast. You would expect this to drop off if their expansion slows, but also everyone's recruitment might slow. Oh to be able to see into the future.
OAA has never just been a feeder for BA. OAA pilots have always gone to a variety of employers. Like any career, the key is getting that first job.
Best of luck for the future
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dont care what airline i fly for as long i am flying for a living. money is not an issue as i have saved a large amount of money.
Thanks for all comments and keep them commin.
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Thanks for all comments and keep them commin.
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billy buds and hollingworthp are both correct!
although i can't comment on the flight training side of it, the ground school instructors are generally very good to absolutely excellent with a couple of Swift exceptions..Waddon earth these two exceptions are still doing there is a mystery to me.
Not sure about most people who go praising and most who don't knocking. I went and I most certainly wouldn't have done if I'd have known how overstretched the whole operation is, and oxcel is AWFUL, thats why everyone at OAA uses bristol feedback.
although i can't comment on the flight training side of it, the ground school instructors are generally very good to absolutely excellent with a couple of Swift exceptions..Waddon earth these two exceptions are still doing there is a mystery to me.
Not sure about most people who go praising and most who don't knocking. I went and I most certainly wouldn't have done if I'd have known how overstretched the whole operation is, and oxcel is AWFUL, thats why everyone at OAA uses bristol feedback.
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Glad to see you haven't changed a day Bajadj
Ground school at Oxford was excellent and fantastic. Note, you will have to put the work in and YES you will use Bristol to prepare for the exams. Thats just the way it works.
Cant comment on the flying side of things as I decided not to do my flying with Oxford for the following reasons:
- Very big organization and from what I have been told by ex class mates a little disorganised (but hey they did get their CPL completed in a reasonable period of time). Its important to note that I completed my hours for an IR (55 hours) in the same time period as they have done their CPL's (15 hours)
- COST!!!!! I am a modular student. Waypoint at Oxford is ridiculously expensive - £33K if you take into account accommodation in Goodyear and all the other hidden costs. My IR and CPL are costing me £15K. I still cant understand how Oxford can send their students to Goodyear (which is all round cheaper for them) and still be so ridiculously expensive. In my case almost 110% more expensive. Oh, and before I get the old argument about the quality of instructors I should point out my tuition to date has been better than amazing. I fly 3-4 hours a day (sim and aircraft). I enjoy the luxury of a 3-1 instructor/student ratio and my pre and post briefs are better than expected.
- Being a modular student at Oxford means nothing. Its a little like being allowed to wear the uniform but hey you just ain't part of the club. Following this route means Oxford will do nothing for you when you graduate, i.e. help looking for a job. Thats reserved for their integrated students. However I have also been speaking with a good few recent graduates from Oxford who have come to learn that the Oxford name just isn't what it used to be. I now understand that doors don't open if you graduated from Oxford as an integrated student. So, before putting the 80K down don't listen to the hype and think very carefully about what you want to do.
Whatever you do consider all your options, make the right choice for you and then hang on and enjoy the ride.
Ground school at Oxford was excellent and fantastic. Note, you will have to put the work in and YES you will use Bristol to prepare for the exams. Thats just the way it works.
Cant comment on the flying side of things as I decided not to do my flying with Oxford for the following reasons:
- Very big organization and from what I have been told by ex class mates a little disorganised (but hey they did get their CPL completed in a reasonable period of time). Its important to note that I completed my hours for an IR (55 hours) in the same time period as they have done their CPL's (15 hours)
- COST!!!!! I am a modular student. Waypoint at Oxford is ridiculously expensive - £33K if you take into account accommodation in Goodyear and all the other hidden costs. My IR and CPL are costing me £15K. I still cant understand how Oxford can send their students to Goodyear (which is all round cheaper for them) and still be so ridiculously expensive. In my case almost 110% more expensive. Oh, and before I get the old argument about the quality of instructors I should point out my tuition to date has been better than amazing. I fly 3-4 hours a day (sim and aircraft). I enjoy the luxury of a 3-1 instructor/student ratio and my pre and post briefs are better than expected.
- Being a modular student at Oxford means nothing. Its a little like being allowed to wear the uniform but hey you just ain't part of the club. Following this route means Oxford will do nothing for you when you graduate, i.e. help looking for a job. Thats reserved for their integrated students. However I have also been speaking with a good few recent graduates from Oxford who have come to learn that the Oxford name just isn't what it used to be. I now understand that doors don't open if you graduated from Oxford as an integrated student. So, before putting the 80K down don't listen to the hype and think very carefully about what you want to do.
Whatever you do consider all your options, make the right choice for you and then hang on and enjoy the ride.
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Dont give me s*it mate. i have been working between 10-14 hour days 7 days a week as an electrician for the last 3 years, i no it might seem long but i have save 20k solo, managed to do my ppl, sacraficed things to save, sold my car and motocross bike to raise money, put off holidays ect. So, as most peolple would probably agree, you on the wrong network if you want to start putting people down, and my parents have no input to this as they are not financialy able to support me, think before you write next time as you dont have a clue what goes on in peoples lives.
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Scott,
If you have that cash saved up (well done btw, I couldn;t do it!) you would be better off going to modular, you could potentially end up with a very low amount of debt compared to those leaving the oxford scheme and have the same ratings.
If you have that cash saved up (well done btw, I couldn;t do it!) you would be better off going to modular, you could potentially end up with a very low amount of debt compared to those leaving the oxford scheme and have the same ratings.
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Hey predukI was going to go moudular. As there is a unlimited credit crunch going on at the moment, if i go the modular route i think i will find it harder to find a job. On the other hand Oxford gives you a higher chance of getting a job. Cost-wise it would be better though. Im still a bit unsure. I do have a back up carrer, im a fully qualified electrician, so if the aviation employment dried up i could divert to that to keep paying off loans ect.Best wishes scott
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Intergrated vs modular, once again!
If you actually read what in have written:As there is a unlimited credit crunch going on at the moment, if i go the modular route i think i will find it harder to find a job." I wasnt slagin the modular route. The only reason why i think the intergrated is better is Oxford have high recrutment ratese.g my mate from guensey is 19 and he flys the 737-400 for BA.He used Oxford, intergrated. I no this is almost a one off but it is still intergrated OAA for you.P.s sorry about lay out of text, probs with keyboard!
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Scott I'm sorry but that is just marketing non-sense. Yes it sometimes takes modular pilots longer to get the first job but I would rather it take longer than sitting with an 80K loan on my tail (or 60k in your case :P)
I've got friends from modular schools who fly with BMI, Flybe, Loganair, Eastern Airways, Globespan and Ryanair who all done the modular course with schools that don't have the glamours name like Oxford.
I've got friends from modular schools who fly with BMI, Flybe, Loganair, Eastern Airways, Globespan and Ryanair who all done the modular course with schools that don't have the glamours name like Oxford.
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You're 19. You've got plenty of time.
My personal opinion, if you don't have glamourous A levels and the rest of it, I wouldn't bother with an integrated course at this time.
No point in being locked into a flying training programme that might dump you into a bad time for hiring. Why bother shelling out an additional £20K for a type rating when you don't [i[have[/i] to? (Reading between the lines with the Oxford guys going to Ryanair)
Yes I can imagine how keen you're are to get amongst it, try out for some cadetships that are available, it shouldn't cost much (if any thing at all) and that'll give you a pretty good feel about how you'll get on. Better still, contact GAPAN and do their assessment. This way you're still moving forward but now you have a better idea of your strengths and weaknesses.
Oxford isn't the only school with contacts. All schools have contacts, it's a matter how you perform and get on with it. eg Bristol Flying Centre has produced some exceptional pilots who are now TRIs etc but they don't splash the advertising with that fact.
Many of us are waiting to see how this year pans out fuel price wise and general pax market wise to see what's going to happen recruitment wise.
If 2008 finishes ok, then it'll probably be about 2 or so years before hiring begins (in ernest) again for low houred guys. If 2008 doesn't finish well, economically and fuel price wise, it'll be 4 years or so.
If things aren't good, you'll need to be prepared to go back to your old job (and being a sparky means you should be able to) or think outside the jet FO job and head to Africa, Caribbean and or instruct. What you don't want is an evil debt to service.
I have absolutely no ties with any school or training organisation. I already have a cool job flying a nice jet.
Good luck, the view's great.
My personal opinion, if you don't have glamourous A levels and the rest of it, I wouldn't bother with an integrated course at this time.
No point in being locked into a flying training programme that might dump you into a bad time for hiring. Why bother shelling out an additional £20K for a type rating when you don't [i[have[/i] to? (Reading between the lines with the Oxford guys going to Ryanair)
Yes I can imagine how keen you're are to get amongst it, try out for some cadetships that are available, it shouldn't cost much (if any thing at all) and that'll give you a pretty good feel about how you'll get on. Better still, contact GAPAN and do their assessment. This way you're still moving forward but now you have a better idea of your strengths and weaknesses.
Oxford isn't the only school with contacts. All schools have contacts, it's a matter how you perform and get on with it. eg Bristol Flying Centre has produced some exceptional pilots who are now TRIs etc but they don't splash the advertising with that fact.
Many of us are waiting to see how this year pans out fuel price wise and general pax market wise to see what's going to happen recruitment wise.
If 2008 finishes ok, then it'll probably be about 2 or so years before hiring begins (in ernest) again for low houred guys. If 2008 doesn't finish well, economically and fuel price wise, it'll be 4 years or so.
If things aren't good, you'll need to be prepared to go back to your old job (and being a sparky means you should be able to) or think outside the jet FO job and head to Africa, Caribbean and or instruct. What you don't want is an evil debt to service.
I have absolutely no ties with any school or training organisation. I already have a cool job flying a nice jet.
Good luck, the view's great.
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It is hard, don't get me wrong I almost fell for the FTE trap until I sat down and worked out the figures.
I know my local school are currently in talks with Flybe and Thomson over their crews training there and they are no where near as advertised as much as Oxford.
Think about it, look at the long term investment visit other schools in your area and speak to people who have been to the schools. I'm not saying Oxford is bad, just a lot of money for something other schools do as well.
I know my local school are currently in talks with Flybe and Thomson over their crews training there and they are no where near as advertised as much as Oxford.
Think about it, look at the long term investment visit other schools in your area and speak to people who have been to the schools. I'm not saying Oxford is bad, just a lot of money for something other schools do as well.