Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Us
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Come to think of it, why not just remove Rex Banner from PPRuNe as all he seems to do it write in complaint about threads he doesn't like to read..
Rex - I love free speech so please feel free to carry on with your editorial input. I think it is incorrect though to assert that anyone has said there will never be a good time for Wannabes again. The golden years of 2004/5/6/early7 will return and those of us with a sustained interest in the business of Wannabes know this. We also know how 2001/2/3 and 1990/91/92/93/94 were for Wannabes. Depressingly desperate.
Sharing this experience can do nothing but make Wannabes better informed.
Why you are against this is perhaps more emotional than logical.
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Rex - I love free speech so please feel free to carry on with your editorial input. I think it is incorrect though to assert that anyone has said there will never be a good time for Wannabes again. The golden years of 2004/5/6/early7 will return and those of us with a sustained interest in the business of Wannabes know this. We also know how 2001/2/3 and 1990/91/92/93/94 were for Wannabes. Depressingly desperate.
Sharing this experience can do nothing but make Wannabes better informed.
Why you are against this is perhaps more emotional than logical.
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Originally Posted by RexBanner
Come on, isnt all this a bit pointless now? This thread has been hijacked by the very people who like to shout so loudly in the downturn thread and it has been turned into the exact same thread as a consequence.
If guys can accept the truth and face the facts, then they are better placed to deal with the future and make the correct decisions.
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I think Rex's point is that this thread 'Growing evidence that the upturn is upon us' was a light hearted counterpoint to the thread 'Growing evidence that the downturn is upon us' and that the doom and gloom merchants have migrated across and taken over. Maybe stick to your own thread?
'But it's the truth? What's wrong with that?' ..... er, well, it's not the truth. It's an opinion. It may be a widely held opinion and it may well turn out that some of it is correct but it's just an opinion and other people have different opinions. The general advice, though, I think is good. Wannabees should be very careful about putting themselves into too much debt, especially secured against property.
'But it's the truth? What's wrong with that?' ..... er, well, it's not the truth. It's an opinion. It may be a widely held opinion and it may well turn out that some of it is correct but it's just an opinion and other people have different opinions. The general advice, though, I think is good. Wannabees should be very careful about putting themselves into too much debt, especially secured against property.
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The there is definitely Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Me
Alex, the only point I can pick up on is that the opinions increasingly become reality as each day passes. The HBOS rights issue snub being the latest. No body wants the bank, not even its own investors, and probably not the underwriters. We shall see.
I take your point about the intent of this thread, I was hoping for some light hearted banter myself.
Anyway, I am thinking of going back into aviation myself. Earlier this year I was asked by a couple of clients where they could park up their helicopters. My place of course! 28 day rule for the planning no problem. Discovered that they struck oil in my neck of the woods. Yippeee. Helipad in by spring 09. All I have to do is shift a few sheep out of the way, install some ground anchors to my chicken sheds. Thirty cows are busy mowing the grass as I write
'Spinnaker International Heliport' it has a sort of ring to it.
The there is definitely Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Me
I take your point about the intent of this thread, I was hoping for some light hearted banter myself.
Anyway, I am thinking of going back into aviation myself. Earlier this year I was asked by a couple of clients where they could park up their helicopters. My place of course! 28 day rule for the planning no problem. Discovered that they struck oil in my neck of the woods. Yippeee. Helipad in by spring 09. All I have to do is shift a few sheep out of the way, install some ground anchors to my chicken sheds. Thirty cows are busy mowing the grass as I write
'Spinnaker International Heliport' it has a sort of ring to it.
The there is definitely Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Me
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I agree with Alex and Rex - the point being that although the information may well be true, there is already an existing thread for that purpose and there is no need to hijack another thread to make the same point and then claim that wannabes need to know when they can hardly ignore the bleatings to the tune of 00000s of pages!
Moderator, indeed...
Moderator, indeed...
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On the other thread about a downturn there were two views expressed. One agreeing and one disagreeing. Both were allowed full rein.
On this thread about an upturn there were two views expressed. One agreeing and one disagreeing.
Seems balanced to me.
If you WANT a thread titled Bullish Views Of The Wannabe Prospects (No Negative Views Please) - then start one. You are perfectly at liberty to do so. I certainly won't stand in your way.
On a thread about a downturn we had people stick their oar in saying Nonsense - things are great. Nobody whined their sorry ass about thread hijacking then...
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ps I note Sweet Texas Crude is well down today - perhaps things really are looking up
On this thread about an upturn there were two views expressed. One agreeing and one disagreeing.
Seems balanced to me.
If you WANT a thread titled Bullish Views Of The Wannabe Prospects (No Negative Views Please) - then start one. You are perfectly at liberty to do so. I certainly won't stand in your way.
On a thread about a downturn we had people stick their oar in saying Nonsense - things are great. Nobody whined their sorry ass about thread hijacking then...
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ps I note Sweet Texas Crude is well down today - perhaps things really are looking up
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Sorry, didn't mean to sound aggressive.
Its not as if I have any personal interest in Wannabe prospects, I am neither a Wannabe nor someone involved in pilot training. My Bearish position is derived from a genuine belief and a desire to help Wannabes. A robust and informative debate is all I seek - not a flame war.
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Its not as if I have any personal interest in Wannabe prospects, I am neither a Wannabe nor someone involved in pilot training. My Bearish position is derived from a genuine belief and a desire to help Wannabes. A robust and informative debate is all I seek - not a flame war.
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Well some bad ..or good news
Top Champagne prices 'going through the roof' - decanter.com - the route to all good wine
And the increase in price helped perhaps by those building aircraft???...
Aviation | Crisis? What crisis? | Economist.com
Some interesting points in this article which highlight why the US aviation differs from our problems here!
Top Champagne prices 'going through the roof' - decanter.com - the route to all good wine
And the increase in price helped perhaps by those building aircraft???...
Aviation | Crisis? What crisis? | Economist.com
Some interesting points in this article which highlight why the US aviation differs from our problems here!
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From: Eurozone.....well for the moment !
Wannabe just about to take the plunge !
Folks,
I have been monitoring many of the forums and threads on PPrune over the last view months in relation to prospects of getting a job with the airlines on completion of a ATPL.
I think its fair to say we all know the airlines are in a cyclical industry with up turns and downturns!
For Wannabe's .....the most important question is timing ! NO ONE knows for sure how things will pan out.
In my case, a friend of mine and i have both decided to leave our jobs and are going over to Florida in Sept for 1 year to study for the JAA ATPL's. We are both in our early thirties and its a case of doing it now or never. Whatever happens ...........i feel we would have regretted this chance if we had decided not to train this year. So yes, we are taking a chance, and its a big chance but its the same for everyone else when starting flight training. There are no guarantees in life but you have go with your instinct !
So hopefully in 18months time things will be more positive.
Good luck to all Wannabe's and thanks to the folks who put many constructive points accross on this topic.
Shamrock 75
I have been monitoring many of the forums and threads on PPrune over the last view months in relation to prospects of getting a job with the airlines on completion of a ATPL.
I think its fair to say we all know the airlines are in a cyclical industry with up turns and downturns!
For Wannabe's .....the most important question is timing ! NO ONE knows for sure how things will pan out.
In my case, a friend of mine and i have both decided to leave our jobs and are going over to Florida in Sept for 1 year to study for the JAA ATPL's. We are both in our early thirties and its a case of doing it now or never. Whatever happens ...........i feel we would have regretted this chance if we had decided not to train this year. So yes, we are taking a chance, and its a big chance but its the same for everyone else when starting flight training. There are no guarantees in life but you have go with your instinct !
So hopefully in 18months time things will be more positive.
Good luck to all Wannabe's and thanks to the folks who put many constructive points accross on this topic.
Shamrock 75
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And number 2!
When i started studying as a civilengineer it was almost impossible getting a job! It was really really really difficult. I was confident that i was not going to get a job, but i continued anyway because i loved it.
When i was released out into the market, i got 4! job offers and i'm getting more all the time!! So i did not expect to get a job but got all of a sudden 4!! Now that i think of it, wasn't it logical?
Eikido
When i started studying as a civilengineer it was almost impossible getting a job! It was really really really difficult. I was confident that i was not going to get a job, but i continued anyway because i loved it.
When i was released out into the market, i got 4! job offers and i'm getting more all the time!! So i did not expect to get a job but got all of a sudden 4!! Now that i think of it, wasn't it logical?
Eikido
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nobody gives a toss about civilengineering in airlines.
if you go for airline course, make sure you get top marks for ATPL theory (around or above 90%) and get first series IR pass. None of this is easy at all but very important, see the thread below for job requirements.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/intervi...ml#post4283614
in order to succeed, choose quality schools and avoid inexperienced instructors.
if you go for airline course, make sure you get top marks for ATPL theory (around or above 90%) and get first series IR pass. None of this is easy at all but very important, see the thread below for job requirements.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/intervi...ml#post4283614
in order to succeed, choose quality schools and avoid inexperienced instructors.
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For goodness sake - don't you people learn???? If you come on here spouting such things as "Oil Prices Down" etc etc you will be attacked by someone who knows far more than you!!!!
I sometimes wonder if people bother trawling back through 38 pages!!!
I sometimes wonder if people bother trawling back through 38 pages!!!
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US Light Sweet was $77 in the third week of July 2007 with all sorts of nightmare headlines about the prospect of $100 oil soon.
Today it stands at $124.
In what way is oil down exactly?
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Today it stands at $124.
In what way is oil down exactly?
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