Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Us
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WWW, I think you are being baited...
tigermagicjohn, you may not be aware as yet, but I believe you'll find a requirement for certain standards in the English language. If you write your covering letters the same way you write on here, then the old CV might be one of the ones which gets ignored, or filed under 'SH!TE'
Unless of course you were just drunk.
WWW, you might as well
with this one!! I don't think he gets it. You never know, he might be off to Afghanistan to fly 737's with his mates very soon.
It's so nice to check into this thread every now and again to see the flock of lemmings, full tilt towards the abyss, following the crowd.
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Unless of course you were just drunk.
WWW, you might as well
with this one!! I don't think he gets it. You never know, he might be off to Afghanistan to fly 737's with his mates very soon. It's so nice to check into this thread every now and again to see the flock of lemmings, full tilt towards the abyss, following the crowd.
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heli,
Don’t talk like a t**t my friend, if people want to do their training, let them, it’s not your MONEY isit? So don’t let it bother you, or are you scared of the potential competition?
Like tigermagicjohn as said, he’s got opportunities outside the uk, let him carry on, who are you or anyone else to stop him achieving his dream.
Why are people on this site hell bent on causing misery to all the newbies, I know of at least 3 pilots who have been given jobs in the past 6 months.
Don’t talk like a t**t my friend, if people want to do their training, let them, it’s not your MONEY isit? So don’t let it bother you, or are you scared of the potential competition?
Like tigermagicjohn as said, he’s got opportunities outside the uk, let him carry on, who are you or anyone else to stop him achieving his dream.
Why are people on this site hell bent on causing misery to all the newbies, I know of at least 3 pilots who have been given jobs in the past 6 months.
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Whats wrong in going to Afghanistan, base in Dubai - isnt that better then sitting complaining here?
WWW surely I was not aware pilots had that much free time that they almost live inside these forums!
Seems to be amazing work schedules at EZY!
WWW surely I was not aware pilots had that much free time that they almost live inside these forums!
Seems to be amazing work schedules at EZY!
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oh dear dear me..... http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle7011668.ece
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Have to say I read the Ryanair story with a sense of 'what goes round, comes round'. Treat your customers like numpty's for a while, but they cotton on eventually.... and vote with their wallets, and a preference for service levels that put them higher up the evolutionary scale than cattle.... These results are unlikely to change their business model, but perhaps it might serve as a warning shot across the bows..... Let's see...
What? To one of the largest airlines in Europe which is also the most profitable? 211 aircraft with 112 on order so soon set to dwarf loss making BA?
I yield to no man in my contempt for Michael O Leary but talk of Ryanairs demise, weakness or peril are so grossly unfair as to be risible. NOBODY is forced or made to book on Ryanair. But more people choose them than choose BA month in month out. They are producing something which people want. Simple as that.
WWW
I yield to no man in my contempt for Michael O Leary but talk of Ryanairs demise, weakness or peril are so grossly unfair as to be risible. NOBODY is forced or made to book on Ryanair. But more people choose them than choose BA month in month out. They are producing something which people want. Simple as that.
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Wake up. Were in a recession, obviously Ryanairs growth will be stunted just as any other companies is. It lost 11million, it expected to lose 100million.I dont think thats evidence its glory days are over. If it did well in the boom when people had money and will do better then anyone else in a recession.its profits for Q2 were something like 280 million,profit when everyone else was losing money!
Wake up. Were in a recession, obviously Ryanairs growth will be stunted just as any other companies is. It lost 11million, it expected to lose 100million.I dont think thats evidence its glory days are over. If it did well in the boom when people had money and will do better then anyone else in a recession.its profits for Q2 were something like 280 million,profit when everyone else was losing money!
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Impossible is nothing!
Somebody with huge experience in his field once told me I was 1 / 1.000.000 to make a tiger tame like a dog/cat.
I had 2 tigers, and they both became tame like kittens.
So again, impossible is nothing!
Where there is a will, there will be a way!
And believe me the tiger training business is much harder then the aviation industry! Maybe one in a million chance to get a job! I still like my odds within avation!
Somebody with huge experience in his field once told me I was 1 / 1.000.000 to make a tiger tame like a dog/cat.
I had 2 tigers, and they both became tame like kittens.
So again, impossible is nothing!
Where there is a will, there will be a way!
And believe me the tiger training business is much harder then the aviation industry! Maybe one in a million chance to get a job! I still like my odds within avation!
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heli,
Don’t talk like a t**t my friend,
Don’t talk like a t**t my friend,
Oh I think Adam Ledger is on a steep learning curve. Quite surprising for someone who has an ATPL at 21.
Tiger and Flyvirgin, you are both total fools unto yourselves! Tiger training? WTF are you on about now? Are you 6yrs old?
FlyVirgin? The name suits, as you probably haven't flown yet.
Competition for me? I doubt it, unless he has the correct licences and wants to fly helicopters instead of planes. Oh, and if he wants my job, you're more than welcome to it. Why? Because the grass isn't always greener. Be careful what you wish for! It's a big bad world out here once you leave your mummys and daddys home!
I always find it refreshing when WWW says it like it is, the wannabes totally disagree, then lo and behold, they go off and rarely, if ever, come back and say 'I proved you wrong. I got that right hand seat straight after training. I paid my £70k+ and was offered a job straight away'
If those sort of people came on here, and proved us all wrong, then we would all sit back and say, look, we're wrong. We got it so wrong about the recession, the lack of jobs etc. We must have been out of our minds to put people off.
Take a look at the industry. Even an FI is struggling to get work nowadays. Why? because the easy finance routes have gone. No-one has the equity to spend in their houses anymore. The banks aren't just handing out training loans anymore.
Unfortunately, there aren't too many who return to these forums with great news. I wish there was.
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Heli - I think most people understand here that jobs will not be waiting when finsihed training.
But if the time schedule is 3 - 5 years, then this is the time to start training, so at least by the time there are jobs, you will have experience and had time to enjoy flying.
And I am not 6!
But if the time schedule is 3 - 5 years, then this is the time to start training, so at least by the time there are jobs, you will have experience and had time to enjoy flying.
And I am not 6!
Nice Youtube video by the way John. Surprising how you turned that woman into a tiger. Looked like all smoke, mirrors and sleight of hand to me
Anyway, we are only here stating we we personally think. Everyone is quite wlecome to go and spend £00000's of pounds on training. It doesnt matter if it's integrated or modular. I wish people would get off their high horses about the whole thing. Train if you want. Get an FI rating if you want. Pay for that type rating and sit on a jet as FO whilst doing it. Great. But don't then turn around in a few years and think, hey I should be getting paid more than I am, because the guys following you up that ladder will be doing the same and the companies will pay less and less, and the pensions schemes are long gone.
It's not for some people, me included.
All that's being said by the present doomsayers, is that things don't look rosy, and with £70k, you could do so much more!
Anyway, we are only here stating we we personally think. Everyone is quite wlecome to go and spend £00000's of pounds on training. It doesnt matter if it's integrated or modular. I wish people would get off their high horses about the whole thing. Train if you want. Get an FI rating if you want. Pay for that type rating and sit on a jet as FO whilst doing it. Great. But don't then turn around in a few years and think, hey I should be getting paid more than I am, because the guys following you up that ladder will be doing the same and the companies will pay less and less, and the pensions schemes are long gone.
It's not for some people, me included.
All that's being said by the present doomsayers, is that things don't look rosy, and with £70k, you could do so much more!
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I personally would not want to spend 000000000 to get where I want, and I agree those who is making an own goal.
All I said, was that looking at the figures, it is understandable that some people with more money then sense, might be tempted.
Most people I have met recently, believe modular is the way to go, still there will always be the brain dead who thinks Oxford is the best way, and dont mind loosing £70.000 of daddies money. That is just fortunate, because with that kind of own goal, they will not be around in 3 - 5 years, when maybe things starts to move.
All I said, was that looking at the figures, it is understandable that some people with more money then sense, might be tempted.
Most people I have met recently, believe modular is the way to go, still there will always be the brain dead who thinks Oxford is the best way, and dont mind loosing £70.000 of daddies money. That is just fortunate, because with that kind of own goal, they will not be around in 3 - 5 years, when maybe things starts to move.
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Regarding the value of the pound, what the analysts do not take into account is that since the decimation of the UK's manufacturing industry, most of the sub parts required to assemble what is left to export are sourced from abroad.
End result, the product is actually more expensive to produce, so any advantage is eroded away.
End result, the product is actually more expensive to produce, so any advantage is eroded away.
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IATA Airline Industry Recovering - but slowly...
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Air Partner Private Jets (ex Gold Air) went into administration this morning. Good luck to all at Biggin Hill, some great people up there.