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Ford Cortina...
Firstly thanks for bringing some common sense to the table. This thread isnt here to discuss who's a better school. I think my angry comments have been misinterpreted....I'm honestly in no doubt that PAT are a top notch FTO. Thats not what I meant. I was pointing out that if Thomas does go to PAT then its a bit silly to **** on his door step if you know what I mean.
As for checking facts....aircraft ownership is a long a boring subject for which I havent really got alot of interest. I was given the 14 figure by a rather senior BCFT staff member who I have no reason to disbelieve. But as I said in a previous post, lets not get tangled up by who owns what.
What has really pissed my off is that some random 17 year old thinks he is above all of us and that we are merely scum. Yes he's obviosuly said a few things to get a response...surely no-one can be that arrogant and self righteous...can they?!?!?
Firstly thanks for bringing some common sense to the table. This thread isnt here to discuss who's a better school. I think my angry comments have been misinterpreted....I'm honestly in no doubt that PAT are a top notch FTO. Thats not what I meant. I was pointing out that if Thomas does go to PAT then its a bit silly to **** on his door step if you know what I mean.
As for checking facts....aircraft ownership is a long a boring subject for which I havent really got alot of interest. I was given the 14 figure by a rather senior BCFT staff member who I have no reason to disbelieve. But as I said in a previous post, lets not get tangled up by who owns what.
What has really pissed my off is that some random 17 year old thinks he is above all of us and that we are merely scum. Yes he's obviosuly said a few things to get a response...surely no-one can be that arrogant and self righteous...can they?!?!?
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The company I work for has employed three pilots who have done some or all of their training at BCFT. They have all done very well, and the connection with BCFT's old boy network helped get two of them the jobs. I would consider BCFT (or PAT for that matter, Mrs Mollison! I know one of your instructors) on a CV, as school or employer, as being in the candidate’s favour. The level of literacy Mr Harrison has shown here would mean his would be binned.
If Mr Harrison had his dad write the CV and covering letter, and I gave him an interview, I would consider the attitude shown here as making Mr Harrison unsuited to any role within the company, in the office, on the ramp or in the flight operation. Certainly I would fail him a line check purely on CRM. He does a very good impression of being someone who would not fit in our flight-safety culture. I would go so far as to recommend that unless he can rapidly change the way he deals with other people Mr Harrison should not waste his money on flight training, as he is unlikely to ever get a good flying job.
Perhaps he would not show the childish, petulant, naive, insecure and arrogant attitude in person, but that begs the question as to why he shows it online. However he also shows a lack of self-awareness that suggests he might not know to moderate his behaviour.
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Talking to a former BCFT student I understand that in addition to the aircraft owned by the company there were three owned by the directors which could be hired for people who wanted variety in flying (I think a couple of aerobats and an unusual twin).
And a voluntary settlement of a case means little until we know details, certainly not the “marketing scam” that “Tommy” shouts about. My experience of marketing in some of BCFT's larger competitors is much worse than BCFT's seems to be.
If Mr Harrison had his dad write the CV and covering letter, and I gave him an interview, I would consider the attitude shown here as making Mr Harrison unsuited to any role within the company, in the office, on the ramp or in the flight operation. Certainly I would fail him a line check purely on CRM. He does a very good impression of being someone who would not fit in our flight-safety culture. I would go so far as to recommend that unless he can rapidly change the way he deals with other people Mr Harrison should not waste his money on flight training, as he is unlikely to ever get a good flying job.
Perhaps he would not show the childish, petulant, naive, insecure and arrogant attitude in person, but that begs the question as to why he shows it online. However he also shows a lack of self-awareness that suggests he might not know to moderate his behaviour.
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Talking to a former BCFT student I understand that in addition to the aircraft owned by the company there were three owned by the directors which could be hired for people who wanted variety in flying (I think a couple of aerobats and an unusual twin).
And a voluntary settlement of a case means little until we know details, certainly not the “marketing scam” that “Tommy” shouts about. My experience of marketing in some of BCFT's larger competitors is much worse than BCFT's seems to be.
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One down, 9 more to go!
Ford_cortina if you've finished your afternoon in the games workshop and fully de-briefed yourself after a flight sim session then take heed.
Do you love me or something? Checking my online status is a bit excessive do you not think?
The way you've managed to embarass yourself on here i find laughable, tales of war or what not, totally unnecessary.
Some things for your urgent attention;
GCSE's are generally completed at 16,
was probably Oxford Brookes but no one cares about your sister,
try not to put down the stirling profession of being a janitor,
and correct me if Im wrong, but if the engine was in the wrong place then the car wouldn't actually work.
To come on here and join the rest of the angry mob hunting for my blood is ridiculous, as soon as one person on this site says something not to public liking you all lose sense of reality and begin the chase!
I've simply been offended by the way this FTO advertised and went about its business, and shock horror, the ASA agrees with me...hmmm
And geordiejet, boo hoo matey
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Who's next....
Ford_cortina if you've finished your afternoon in the games workshop and fully de-briefed yourself after a flight sim session then take heed.
Do you love me or something? Checking my online status is a bit excessive do you not think?
The way you've managed to embarass yourself on here i find laughable, tales of war or what not, totally unnecessary.
Some things for your urgent attention;
GCSE's are generally completed at 16,
was probably Oxford Brookes but no one cares about your sister,
try not to put down the stirling profession of being a janitor,
and correct me if Im wrong, but if the engine was in the wrong place then the car wouldn't actually work.
To come on here and join the rest of the angry mob hunting for my blood is ridiculous, as soon as one person on this site says something not to public liking you all lose sense of reality and begin the chase!
I've simply been offended by the way this FTO advertised and went about its business, and shock horror, the ASA agrees with me...hmmm
And geordiejet, boo hoo matey
.Who's next....
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Okay you troublesome Oik,
Family history's aside....
Ever heard of a little known automobile maker called Porsche, they make a car called the 911, been building it for over 40 years. It has its engine in the rear, used to be air cooled now its water cooled. My own one is a late 930 T.
So you got your GCSE did you at 16 so at 17 you must now be CEO somewhere.
Oh and yes I had my sim last week, my LPC was up. Back line flying this weekend and got my Icao Level 6 English at the same time.
You have the barefaced audasicity to come on here, shouting the odds and acting like god. But you have not answered my questions.
1. You are 17, you should be at sixth form, but as you are looking for training, I doubt it...... so????
2. If your family are as rich and powerful as you say, why not OAT, FTE or CTC?.. Modular is and should not be an option for someone as rich as you.
3. Why oh Why a pilot, you look down on us and call us, so why not a QC,
Headge Fund Manager or somthing else in the city????
Two nil to me sonny boy. Now go and ask your butler to 'Wipe your bottom, you little ****'
Family history's aside....
Ever heard of a little known automobile maker called Porsche, they make a car called the 911, been building it for over 40 years. It has its engine in the rear, used to be air cooled now its water cooled. My own one is a late 930 T.
So you got your GCSE did you at 16 so at 17 you must now be CEO somewhere.
Oh and yes I had my sim last week, my LPC was up. Back line flying this weekend and got my Icao Level 6 English at the same time.
You have the barefaced audasicity to come on here, shouting the odds and acting like god. But you have not answered my questions.
1. You are 17, you should be at sixth form, but as you are looking for training, I doubt it...... so????
2. If your family are as rich and powerful as you say, why not OAT, FTE or CTC?.. Modular is and should not be an option for someone as rich as you.
3. Why oh Why a pilot, you look down on us and call us, so why not a QC,
Headge Fund Manager or somthing else in the city????
Two nil to me sonny boy. Now go and ask your butler to 'Wipe your bottom, you little ****'
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I have read through this thread. You have taken issue with BCFT's advertising campaign, fine, each to their own. ASA have possibly taken issue too and the matter has been resolved. I think what has really wound people up is your snivelling little gob ****e attitude. If you can't appreciate that then you are a no hoper. Crawl back under your palatial rock.
There is still a nagging doubt though that you might be a middle age troll merely posting on here to piss people off. If that is your aim then you have surley surpassed your own expectations. In this case crawl back under your squalid rock, you saddo.
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I have read through this thread. You have taken issue with BCFT's advertising campaign, fine, each to their own. ASA have possibly taken issue too and the matter has been resolved. I think what has really wound people up is your snivelling little gob ****e attitude. If you can't appreciate that then you are a no hoper. Crawl back under your palatial rock.
There is still a nagging doubt though that you might be a middle age troll merely posting on here to piss people off. If that is your aim then you have surley surpassed your own expectations. In this case crawl back under your squalid rock, you saddo.
Cheers
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Having looked at Thomas's posting history, he posted a few weeks ago exhaulting the virtues of BCFT, he also mentions that he is leaving school this year...
Which means Thomas, you are not qualified to have a go at anyone who went to uni, ever.
Anyway whats wrong with Oxford Brookes, the gave Clarkson a Degree....
Which means Thomas, you are not qualified to have a go at anyone who went to uni, ever.
Anyway whats wrong with Oxford Brookes, the gave Clarkson a Degree....
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You say that the ASA agrees with you. Can you point us to a website with the details of the ASA’s complaint and the informal resolution, or if you have it on some other medium than the internet please transcribe the relevant extracts.
The rest of us have not seen these details, so have no idea whether the ASA agrees with you, and no idea whether they had a strong case or BCFT just made an agreement to save costs on what was probably a rather trivial issue to them.
Noting the connections Cortina has made, might I suggest you go to college, take a couple of A levels and a degree, or a diploma if you're not up to that? It might give you the time and environment to mature, and one day you might make a competent pilot. Like those competent pilots you try to put down with suggestions that they only fly sims.
At the moment you are cross that you misunderstood something BCFT use in advertising. It is naive to take advertising too seriously without looking into the meaning of any claims, and childishly petulant to give a broad attack on issues that have no relevance and on which it appears you are simply wrong.
You say that the ASA agrees with you. Can you point us to a website with the details of the ASA’s complaint and the informal resolution, or if you have it on some other medium than the internet please transcribe the relevant extracts.
The rest of us have not seen these details, so have no idea whether the ASA agrees with you, and no idea whether they had a strong case or BCFT just made an agreement to save costs on what was probably a rather trivial issue to them.
Noting the connections Cortina has made, might I suggest you go to college, take a couple of A levels and a degree, or a diploma if you're not up to that? It might give you the time and environment to mature, and one day you might make a competent pilot. Like those competent pilots you try to put down with suggestions that they only fly sims.
At the moment you are cross that you misunderstood something BCFT use in advertising. It is naive to take advertising too seriously without looking into the meaning of any claims, and childishly petulant to give a broad attack on issues that have no relevance and on which it appears you are simply wrong.
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and correct me if Im wrong, but if the engine was in the wrong place then the car wouldn't actually work.
You really have most people on here stunned!
What do you hope to gain by pissing off each and every single person on here? You have made your pretty aimless, vague 'point'. But this has become so much more.
Your name surely will become legendary on here, and no doubt in the 'real world' of aviation, as people have actually contacted their friends to to see you make a complete tit of yourself! Including me - and you don't want to know people's reactions old chum! We were eagarly awaiting your latest post today - and you didn't disappoint! Things getting from bad to worse!
You really are f
cking clueless. So I can only assume your ambition of being a pilot it because you are trying to live daddy's boyhood dream which he never got to live out or so that daddy can say "my son is a pilot" at his cosy gentleman's club.But, I've a nagging doubt that you are real. Perhaps you are just some sado with nothing to do but come online to annoy people. For the safety of the travelling public, and the sanity of airline employees the world over - I hope this is the reality!
But then again, I'm enjoying seeing you make a complete t*t of yourself. It's a bit like a car crash - you just can't help but look.
PS - for a little toff - your grammar is pretty poor! Daddy should be asking for a refund on those school fees.
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This thread is hysterical.... some bloke comes on here and says I am a numpty because I believed the marketing of a flight training organisation.... and then proceeds to slag everyone off!!
He can't be for real... and if he left school at 16 with only GCSEs with the opportunities that he claims have been laid at his feet I bet daddy the barrister is really pleased with him.... what a disappointment he must be to his parents.... I wonder did his dad take the silver spoon out of his mouth and shove it up his ar*e when he told him he was going to sponge the cash off him to do flight training??
Anyway perhaps I can throw in a vote to shut this thread down... is it really now offering any valuable information to any wanabees now??
He can't be for real... and if he left school at 16 with only GCSEs with the opportunities that he claims have been laid at his feet I bet daddy the barrister is really pleased with him.... what a disappointment he must be to his parents.... I wonder did his dad take the silver spoon out of his mouth and shove it up his ar*e when he told him he was going to sponge the cash off him to do flight training??
Anyway perhaps I can throw in a vote to shut this thread down... is it really now offering any valuable information to any wanabees now??
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Hi Thomas
I admire your tenacity...what ever other shortcomings..it is a quality you will need it make it through training and into a job.
Lost plot a bit on your last post..what does ' one down 9 to go' mean?
Keep up the postings, it is far more interesting than ATPL theory study
I admire your tenacity...what ever other shortcomings..it is a quality you will need it make it through training and into a job.
Lost plot a bit on your last post..what does ' one down 9 to go' mean?
Keep up the postings, it is far more interesting than ATPL theory study
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I call Troll and vote that this now be closed. It's good to see so many people jumping in to defend BCFT early on though! As for the later posts....on the off chance that he really is a young snot nosed little **** trying to make it into the industry then its been a pleasure watching him hit the self destruct button! However on the off chance that he does make it onto the flight deck then god help us all!!!!
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How classic that Master Harrison, who is better than all of us, is leaving school at 17.
Didn't make the grade to study A levels? What a waste of money that was for Daddy to send you to private school...
Qualification wise you're in the same bracket as people who I presume you are talking about when you come on here spouting about the 'working class'.
This is priceless!
You sir, are a comedian.
Didn't make the grade to study A levels? What a waste of money that was for Daddy to send you to private school...
Qualification wise you're in the same bracket as people who I presume you are talking about when you come on here spouting about the 'working class'.
This is priceless!
You sir, are a comedian.
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Anyway perhaps I can throw in a vote to shut this thread down... is it really now offering any valuable information to any wanabees now??
I vote for it to stay
:-)
Whilst trolls are generally negative they can (very sparingly) be invigorating for a forum as they get people fired up and hammering the old keyboard. As such I've been happy for Thomas to continue.
Maybe he's even me in disguise... (this winds trolls up like you wouldn't believe - and Thomas can't see some of my words or some of your posts due to crafty code..)
Psyops,
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Maybe he's even me in disguise... (this winds trolls up like you wouldn't believe - and Thomas can't see some of my words or some of your posts due to crafty code..)
Psyops,
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hahaha !!
there is not a chance this guy is for real.
Some 14 year old on a wind up or someone that has a vendetta against BCFT for some reason i would guess.
Can you imagine spending more than 5 mins on a flight deck with this guy ! haha !
there is not a chance this guy is for real.
Some 14 year old on a wind up or someone that has a vendetta against BCFT for some reason i would guess.
Can you imagine spending more than 5 mins on a flight deck with this guy ! haha !
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No no no, please don't stop this thread it is highly entertaining and there is sod all on the telly tonight, or any other night for that matter. I am one of those working class oiks so despised by Mr H and his dad. I grew up, and still live, no more than half a mile from the Houses of Parliament where he had a scotch with some posh bloke (big deal). Our house had around 320 bedrooms and we had servants who would turn up and fix the electrics, paint the hall, plumb in a new bathroom, fit new windows etc etc after a mere phone call. Lambeth council were marvellous at times. We could see the HoP from our living room, although I have never set foot in the place. Although I did have a pint of Stella with Suggs from Madness once in a pub down the Fulham Rd before a Chelsea game - does that count? Perhaps we should start a new thread about famous/posh people we have had drinks with. On second thoughts, scrap that idea, I'd like to think most people wouldn't give a toss. Anyway, gotta go, the old TB is playing up, must be all those years spent as a child in a scummy, damp council house, cough, splutter, thank gord for the upper classes guv'ner, wot wud we do wivout em and their clever ways?