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I don't know if BCFT are perticularly libelous. But given the title of this thread, I can imagine they might, if they read it, feel pretty upset.
There are plenty of threads on this forum discussing merits and otherwise of BCFT, might it not be a good idea, as a moderator to pull this thread,to avoid any unpleasentness coming Mr. Harrisons way ?
I don't know if BCFT are perticularly libelous. But given the title of this thread, I can imagine they might, if they read it, feel pretty upset.
There are plenty of threads on this forum discussing merits and otherwise of BCFT, might it not be a good idea, as a moderator to pull this thread,to avoid any unpleasentness coming Mr. Harrisons way ?
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As my father and uncle are both barristers then yes, I think what you are in fact referring to is defamation and that any statement must be proven to be false, whereas i can tell you that my points are factual. WWW have you ever heard of the OFT?
Off you toddle to your computer on which you spend half your life espousing your 'coveted' knowledge on sitting in a tube in the sky all day...great. You probably eat sausages with your fry up at your working class semi-detached.
I can list all the points in their brochure that are factually incorrect- there is nothing libellous in that. Unless of course the cartel here who has decided that BCFT is 'excellent' don't want their friends to hear it.
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[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Indeed it is the excellent test results[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I have it from the horses’ mouth that there has been only one first time pass in the last twelve months- so pretty average probably[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Unrivalled quality of training[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Again, on who’s scale? How can this statement ever be justified? Not on exam passes that’s for sure[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']...as well as Multi Crew Co-operation Courses (MCC) and Jet[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Orientation Courses (JOC).[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']This is a lie. These are NOT offered at BCFT[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']As a major Industry provider BCFT is aware that not only must the training and results be above average for the prospective airline pilot, but to have conducted all of the training from start to finish within the same organisation is very much the preferred route.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']This is suppositional claptrap. There are many many people who have conducted training at various establishments now at...RyanAir for example....[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']neighbouring club house[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']If the definition of neighbouring is three statute miles, then, yeh ok[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']tailored to each individual’s needs and budget[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I was given a price, regardless of my ‘budget’. Are we to assume that a CPL is reduced from 25 to 10 hours if you are skint?[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Indeed we are one of the lowest priced operators in the area (with no middle[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']man, we can pass the savings on to the student).[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Same prices at PAT and the others in the area[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The centre operates a complete range of flight simulators, ranging from non specific type trainers to full type specific FNPT2s. Full flight Lockheed Tristar and 747 simulators are used for MCC and JOC[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']They don’t have two out of the three of these- guess which?[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']All of BCFT’s fully Commercial Approved Instructors either have been, or are still in the Airline Industry, with a background of Public Transport Operations[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']This is not true. [/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The resulting high pass rate... extremely proud of its high pass rate[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Average at best.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Structuring 2 students to 1 Instructor with their own allocated aircraft.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']This is not true.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']For the dedicated student who is perhaps living in rented accommodation, minimum course times are paramount[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']So for me who is living at home, my course can be extended???[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT][FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Furthermore all prices quoted are fully inclusive, i.e.VAT, landing fees, approach fees etc. Therefore there are no hidden extras. “[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']This is not true. You pay up to £40 for approach fees at the airports they use.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT][FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The C172 aircraft is a fully equipped 4 persons aircraft It has long range tanks, and there is no stipulation on where you can fly in Europe, as long as the airfield is suitable and licensed[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I saw the 172 and believe me, you would take the ferry from Poole...[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The candidate pays the standard PPL hire rate for the C172 of £120.00 per hour. At the end of their CPL and IR training with BCFT, the difference of £35.00 per hour is reimbursed[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']So what happened to no money up front? That was quickly forgotten![/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']And, when I was there a banner was being put up that clearly stated ‘Integrated Modular’ or was made to give a misleading idea of the course offered. This is immoral and wrong.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I have it from the horses’ mouth that there has been only one first time pass in the last twelve months- so pretty average probably[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Unrivalled quality of training[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Again, on who’s scale? How can this statement ever be justified? Not on exam passes that’s for sure[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']...as well as Multi Crew Co-operation Courses (MCC) and Jet[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Orientation Courses (JOC).[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']This is a lie. These are NOT offered at BCFT[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']As a major Industry provider BCFT is aware that not only must the training and results be above average for the prospective airline pilot, but to have conducted all of the training from start to finish within the same organisation is very much the preferred route.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']This is suppositional claptrap. There are many many people who have conducted training at various establishments now at...RyanAir for example....[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']neighbouring club house[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']If the definition of neighbouring is three statute miles, then, yeh ok[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']tailored to each individual’s needs and budget[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I was given a price, regardless of my ‘budget’. Are we to assume that a CPL is reduced from 25 to 10 hours if you are skint?[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Indeed we are one of the lowest priced operators in the area (with no middle[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']man, we can pass the savings on to the student).[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Same prices at PAT and the others in the area[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The centre operates a complete range of flight simulators, ranging from non specific type trainers to full type specific FNPT2s. Full flight Lockheed Tristar and 747 simulators are used for MCC and JOC[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']They don’t have two out of the three of these- guess which?[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']All of BCFT’s fully Commercial Approved Instructors either have been, or are still in the Airline Industry, with a background of Public Transport Operations[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']This is not true. [/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The resulting high pass rate... extremely proud of its high pass rate[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Average at best.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Structuring 2 students to 1 Instructor with their own allocated aircraft.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']This is not true.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']For the dedicated student who is perhaps living in rented accommodation, minimum course times are paramount[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']So for me who is living at home, my course can be extended???[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT][FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Furthermore all prices quoted are fully inclusive, i.e.VAT, landing fees, approach fees etc. Therefore there are no hidden extras. “[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']This is not true. You pay up to £40 for approach fees at the airports they use.[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT][FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The C172 aircraft is a fully equipped 4 persons aircraft It has long range tanks, and there is no stipulation on where you can fly in Europe, as long as the airfield is suitable and licensed[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I saw the 172 and believe me, you would take the ferry from Poole...[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']The candidate pays the standard PPL hire rate for the C172 of £120.00 per hour. At the end of their CPL and IR training with BCFT, the difference of £35.00 per hour is reimbursed[/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']So what happened to no money up front? That was quickly forgotten![/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/FONT]
[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']And, when I was there a banner was being put up that clearly stated ‘Integrated Modular’ or was made to give a misleading idea of the course offered. This is immoral and wrong.[/FONT]
Check with your Dad - I mean libel. Being a sensible FTO they will look at this thread in the round and note that one immature young man has prompted a discussion where dozens of very satisfied customers have explained how pleased they are with BCFT. On balance a good bit of free advertising for them. So Thomas you probably won't have to give any of your pocket money back to your Dad.
Thomas, I make this point as its relevant to the wider audience, aviation is a very small world.
Right now there are have been a couple of hundred people who have browsed this thread and the thought Thomas Harrison is a complete tit who insults people he perceives to be working class. Thomas - this is probably not a good thing to perpetuate at this stage in your career.
Good luck,
WWW
Thomas, I make this point as its relevant to the wider audience, aviation is a very small world.
Right now there are have been a couple of hundred people who have browsed this thread and the thought Thomas Harrison is a complete tit who insults people he perceives to be working class. Thomas - this is probably not a good thing to perpetuate at this stage in your career.
Good luck,
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Personally i beleive every school instructs to high standards... the CAA's !!
) There are many awful FTO's in the UK!!!
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this 'manky' arrow... wasnt G-MACK was it? the one thats not actually theirs but borrowed from old sarum? cant say HJ is mankey in the LEAST and is prob one of the best arrows around. loving all these 'facts' that come up on this forum 
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I think "manky arrow" is a great name for an indie band.
I also think "track made good" is a great name for a country and western band.
and "G-MACK" would make a good rap act!
I also think "track made good" is a great name for a country and western band.
and "G-MACK" would make a good rap act!
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Is this guy for real
I am not a company stooge what so ever, multiple names on here, no just one, if you want to PM me I will tell you my name and my aviation career to date, and you will see I have worked in aviation since leaving school 19 years ago! and not once have I worked at or for BCFT, just a happy and satisfied customer, they didnt bull**** me, I fell for no 'marketing scam'.
My decision was made on honest valuable opinions of many who have trained there and have been more than happy. I know many students who have trained at BCFT and not one will slate them in anyway shape or form.
What a start to your career especially if your user name is your real name, then as others have said and I will vouch for aviation is a small world, best of luck.
I am not a company stooge what so ever, multiple names on here, no just one, if you want to PM me I will tell you my name and my aviation career to date, and you will see I have worked in aviation since leaving school 19 years ago! and not once have I worked at or for BCFT, just a happy and satisfied customer, they didnt bull**** me, I fell for no 'marketing scam'.
My decision was made on honest valuable opinions of many who have trained there and have been more than happy. I know many students who have trained at BCFT and not one will slate them in anyway shape or form.
What a start to your career
especially if your user name is your real name, then as others have said and I will vouch for aviation is a small world, best of luck.
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Nearly there is right (for once). This school is excellent with great instructors who dedicate everything into getting excellent pass rates and the career students want. I also am a happy customer who has had the support of everyone at BCFT on more than one occasion and am more than happy to reccomend them to everyone, other than this Thomas chap. I dont think he would fit in to a well oiled machine such as BCFT, or the industry come to that!
Happy weekend chaps.
CABUS
. This school is excellent with great instructors who dedicate everything into getting excellent pass rates and the career students want. I also am a happy customer who has had the support of everyone at BCFT on more than one occasion and am more than happy to reccomend them to everyone, other than this Thomas chap. I dont think he would fit in to a well oiled machine such as BCFT, or the industry come to that!Happy weekend chaps.
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I think the young age of Mr Harrison says much about the posts, I'm afraid.
Just because daddy's paying, you don't have the right to cast allegations against FTO's which you have never attended!
Those of us who have been on this forum for more than 5 minutes might remember the many years WWW did as an instructor, as did I before the jobs started coming up again. Flight schools are a very subjective experience. A person might find one fantastic, whereas another individual might find the place terrible.
If you ever get to join the big boys, I'd seriously watch your attitude. Cockpits are a very small place, and a smack in the teeth sometimes offends arrogant First Officers!
Just because daddy's paying, you don't have the right to cast allegations against FTO's which you have never attended!
Those of us who have been on this forum for more than 5 minutes might remember the many years WWW did as an instructor, as did I before the jobs started coming up again. Flight schools are a very subjective experience. A person might find one fantastic, whereas another individual might find the place terrible.
If you ever get to join the big boys, I'd seriously watch your attitude. Cockpits are a very small place, and a smack in the teeth sometimes offends arrogant First Officers!
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LJ - I completely agree. I hate some of the FTOs I've used whereas some people love them. And at the same time, I've loved an FTO - but then came on here and see them being slagged all the time. You also get the ones which are, well, sh
te.
So, I guess it just depends on the individual. Which is why it is so important to visit an FTO - and get some feedback from current and past students (do search on here - and don't go in blinkered thinking "it'll never happen to me" - like I did).
ANd never pay upfront!
te.So, I guess it just depends on the individual. Which is why it is so important to visit an FTO - and get some feedback from current and past students (do search on here - and don't go in blinkered thinking "it'll never happen to me" - like I did).
ANd never pay upfront!
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Correct went from PA-28 to flying B737-300/600/700/800, B757-200, B767-300.
NAC was a great little club with fantastic students and instructors. many of our students are now at Easy, FlyBe, GSM, Eastern, DHL etc!
Sometimes the smaller FTO's with "manky" looking planes can do wonders!
I loved flying WK!!
went from PA-28 to flying B737-300/600/700/800, B757-200, B767-300.NAC was a great little club with fantastic students and instructors. many of our students are now at Easy, FlyBe, GSM, Eastern, DHL etc!
Sometimes the smaller FTO's with "manky" looking planes can do wonders!
I loved flying WK!!
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It's amazing how one evidently trusty aircraft has managed to make this disillusioned lad embarrass himself on here because it looked 'manky'. Of course because of this the school is bad. All this despite the fact a lot of current and ex students have nothing but the highest regard for the place.
As it has already been said: quality training is not to be confused with shiny aircraft.
As it has already been said: quality training is not to be confused with shiny aircraft.
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I know I am probably wasting my time but I just feel a nagging need to put a bit of balance to your views.
I have no ties to BCFT other than as a student, I respect other students’ choice of schools. Either Integrated or Modular FTO’s. So I would like to feel I am able to be fairly balanced and dispassionate about you views.
Firstly you have to recognize your issue seems to have originated with the BCFT brochure….this is a SALES Leaflet and like all such documents should always be treated with a degree of healthy scepticism. Everyday we get bombarded with advertising, which is at the least economical with the truth, possibly misleading.
Estate Agents: Great sea views……dooh bit of global warming and high tide is in Living room !
Banks: 10% on savings……dooh only for first £50 rest on 0.25%
The relality is that my teeth won’t fall out if I don’t use brand X toothpaste and Anti aging cream is not essential in your teens…despite bimbo’s advertising the stuff.
So to the points you made; and my views based on actual experience.
Quote : Indeed it is the excellent test results
Your comment : I have it from the horses’ mouth that there has been only one first time pass in the last twelve months- so pretty average probably.
My view: No idea what horse you found. But in my class we may be only half way through the course, but I think we have very close to 100% first time pass rate. I don’t think that is because we are special, but more an indication of the teaching ! I doubt that is ‘pretty average’
Quote: Unrivalled quality of training
Your comment Again, on who’s scale? How can this statement ever be justified? Not on exam passes that’s for sure.
My view: Just marketing hyperbole. You would have to be pretty naive to swallow that without a cringe, from any FTO. ‘Exam passes see comment above.
Quote: Orientation Courses (JOC)
Your comment This is a lie. These are NOT offered at BCFT
My view: Better check that out as I am signed up on that course !
Quote: As a major Industry provider BCFT is aware that not only must the training and results be above average for the prospective airline pilot, but to have conducted all of the training from start to finish within the same organization is very much the preferred route.
Your comment This is suppositional claptrap. There are many many people who have conducted training at various establishments now at...RyanAir for example.
My view: Fair comment; but there is a general consensus that it is a good idea to try to do CPL/ME/IR with just one training provider. There are quite a few Ryanair pilots who did there training at BCFT.
Quote: neighboring club house
Your commentIf the definition of neighboring is three statute miles, then, yeh My view: Fair comment; I missed that, thought that funny too…still the Curlew pub is much closer
Quote: tailored to each individual’s needs and budget
Your comment I was given a price, regardless of my ‘budget’. Are we to assume that a CPL is reduced from 25 to 10 hours if you are skint?
My view: That’s just silly. Will Ford drop the price of a Focus to £3K if you are skint ?. I believe what they mean is that you can go through the program at a pace that meet you fund availability… which is unlike the Integrated programs that want all the money upfront, or at least a commitment to it !
Quote: Indeed we are one of the lowest priced operators in the area, we can pass the savings on to the student
Your comment Same prices at PAT and the others in the area
My view: Your point ?They don’t say they are cheapest. However if you do they whole Jetline program I think you will find they are actually the cheapest.
Quote:The centre operates a complete range of flight simulators, ranging from non specific type trainers to full type specific FNPT2s. Full flight Lockheed Tristar and 747 simulators are used for MCC and JOC.
Your comment They don’t have two out of the three of these- guess which
My view Fair comment, a lot of artistic license. Selective use of a full stop !! All the FTO’s at BMTH (including Cabair and PAT!) use the 747 sim which belongs to European. That is why it is so important to visit prospective FTO’s…a 747 Sim is difficult to miss !. Incidentally the much loved Lockheed crashed and burned a few months ago and will not rise from ashes.
Quote: All of BCFT’s fully Commercial Approved Instructors either have been, or are still in the Airline Industry, with a background of Public Transport Operations
Your comment This is not true.
My view This certainly the case for all my trainers ?
Quote: The resulting high pass rate... extremely proud of its high pass rate
Your comment Average at best
My view Probably not true, unless other FTO’s can better 100% pass rate..sorry bit silly to make point !
Quote: Structuring 2 students to 1 Instructor with their own allocated aircraft
Your comment This is not true.
My view News to me too !
Quote: For the dedicated student who is perhaps living in rented accommodation, minimum course times are paramount
Your comment So for me who is living at home, my course can be extended???
My view Now that is silly and pointless.
Quote: Furthermore all prices quoted are fully inclusive, i.e.VAT, landing fees, approach fees etc. Therefore there are no hidden extras.
Your comment This is not true. You pay up to £40 for approach fees at the airports they use.
My view There are no landing fees to pay at BMTH, which is were you do most of your landings. You only have to pay fees if you go to other airports, which you only need to do for your qualifying cross country. This is a hell of a lot clearer than other FTO quoted prices, which overlook to mention the landing fees at the base airport. Which if it is an International one like BMTH will be pretty pricey. Especially if doing circuits.
Quote: The C172 aircraft is a fully equipped 4 persons aircraft It has long range tanks, and there is no stipulation on where you can fly in Europe, as long as the airfield is suitable and licensed
Your comment I saw the 172 and believe me, you would take the ferry from Poole...
My view Not flown it myself, other students seem to rate it. I don’t suppose any of them have your qualification or experience though. The Barfleur (Ferry) must be a bitch to land on a short grass strip !
Quote: The candidate pays the standard PPL hire rate for the C172 of £120.00 per hour. At the end of their CPL and IR training with BCFT, the difference of £35.00 per hour is reimbursed.
Your comment So what happened to no money up front? That was quickly forgotten!
My view Wrong I checked this out to ensure I wasn’t paying to little. The deal is that Jetline students pay £85.00/hr on a pay as you go deal. The uncommitted module student pays £120/hr but will get a refund if they go on to complete the ME/CPL/IR modules. Pretty straight forward and transparent offer I think.
Your comment And, when I was there a banner was being put up that clearly stated ‘Integrated Modular’ or was made to give a misleading idea of the course offered. This is immoral and wrong
My view I haven’t seen it! I am in there everyday, but as I am often distracted by studies I thought I would do a through inspection..Alas I couldn’t find it anywhere.
Goodness that was epic and probably pointless,
The only point I really want to make. Is that you should only regard a FTO brochure as an initial Sales pitch, which is all it is, and is no substitute for a in depth visit to a number of FTO at the very least once. Then revisit the short list / preferred one.
If you are off to PAT then I hope it works out for you…..and them !!
I have no ties to BCFT other than as a student, I respect other students’ choice of schools. Either Integrated or Modular FTO’s. So I would like to feel I am able to be fairly balanced and dispassionate about you views.
Firstly you have to recognize your issue seems to have originated with the BCFT brochure….this is a SALES Leaflet and like all such documents should always be treated with a degree of healthy scepticism. Everyday we get bombarded with advertising, which is at the least economical with the truth, possibly misleading.
Estate Agents: Great sea views……dooh bit of global warming and high tide is in Living room !
Banks: 10% on savings……dooh only for first £50 rest on 0.25%
The relality is that my teeth won’t fall out if I don’t use brand X toothpaste and Anti aging cream is not essential in your teens…despite bimbo’s advertising the stuff.
So to the points you made; and my views based on actual experience.
Quote : Indeed it is the excellent test results
Your comment : I have it from the horses’ mouth that there has been only one first time pass in the last twelve months- so pretty average probably.
My view: No idea what horse you found. But in my class we may be only half way through the course, but I think we have very close to 100% first time pass rate. I don’t think that is because we are special, but more an indication of the teaching ! I doubt that is ‘pretty average’
Quote: Unrivalled quality of training
Your comment Again, on who’s scale? How can this statement ever be justified? Not on exam passes that’s for sure.
My view: Just marketing hyperbole. You would have to be pretty naive to swallow that without a cringe, from any FTO. ‘Exam passes see comment above.
Quote: Orientation Courses (JOC)
Your comment This is a lie. These are NOT offered at BCFT
My view: Better check that out as I am signed up on that course !
Quote: As a major Industry provider BCFT is aware that not only must the training and results be above average for the prospective airline pilot, but to have conducted all of the training from start to finish within the same organization is very much the preferred route.
Your comment This is suppositional claptrap. There are many many people who have conducted training at various establishments now at...RyanAir for example.
My view: Fair comment; but there is a general consensus that it is a good idea to try to do CPL/ME/IR with just one training provider. There are quite a few Ryanair pilots who did there training at BCFT.
Quote: neighboring club house
Your commentIf the definition of neighboring is three statute miles, then, yeh My view: Fair comment; I missed that, thought that funny too…still the Curlew pub is much closer
Quote: tailored to each individual’s needs and budget
Your comment I was given a price, regardless of my ‘budget’. Are we to assume that a CPL is reduced from 25 to 10 hours if you are skint?
My view: That’s just silly. Will Ford drop the price of a Focus to £3K if you are skint ?. I believe what they mean is that you can go through the program at a pace that meet you fund availability… which is unlike the Integrated programs that want all the money upfront, or at least a commitment to it !
Quote: Indeed we are one of the lowest priced operators in the area, we can pass the savings on to the student
Your comment Same prices at PAT and the others in the area
My view: Your point ?They don’t say they are cheapest. However if you do they whole Jetline program I think you will find they are actually the cheapest.
Quote:The centre operates a complete range of flight simulators, ranging from non specific type trainers to full type specific FNPT2s. Full flight Lockheed Tristar and 747 simulators are used for MCC and JOC.
Your comment They don’t have two out of the three of these- guess which
My view Fair comment, a lot of artistic license. Selective use of a full stop !! All the FTO’s at BMTH (including Cabair and PAT!) use the 747 sim which belongs to European. That is why it is so important to visit prospective FTO’s…a 747 Sim is difficult to miss !. Incidentally the much loved Lockheed crashed and burned a few months ago and will not rise from ashes.
Quote: All of BCFT’s fully Commercial Approved Instructors either have been, or are still in the Airline Industry, with a background of Public Transport Operations
Your comment This is not true.
My view This certainly the case for all my trainers ?
Quote: The resulting high pass rate... extremely proud of its high pass rate
Your comment Average at best
My view Probably not true, unless other FTO’s can better 100% pass rate..sorry bit silly to make point !
Quote: Structuring 2 students to 1 Instructor with their own allocated aircraft
Your comment This is not true.
My view News to me too !
Quote: For the dedicated student who is perhaps living in rented accommodation, minimum course times are paramount
Your comment So for me who is living at home, my course can be extended???
My view Now that is silly and pointless.
Quote: Furthermore all prices quoted are fully inclusive, i.e.VAT, landing fees, approach fees etc. Therefore there are no hidden extras.
Your comment This is not true. You pay up to £40 for approach fees at the airports they use.
My view There are no landing fees to pay at BMTH, which is were you do most of your landings. You only have to pay fees if you go to other airports, which you only need to do for your qualifying cross country. This is a hell of a lot clearer than other FTO quoted prices, which overlook to mention the landing fees at the base airport. Which if it is an International one like BMTH will be pretty pricey. Especially if doing circuits.
Quote: The C172 aircraft is a fully equipped 4 persons aircraft It has long range tanks, and there is no stipulation on where you can fly in Europe, as long as the airfield is suitable and licensed
Your comment I saw the 172 and believe me, you would take the ferry from Poole...
My view Not flown it myself, other students seem to rate it. I don’t suppose any of them have your qualification or experience though. The Barfleur (Ferry) must be a bitch to land on a short grass strip !
Quote: The candidate pays the standard PPL hire rate for the C172 of £120.00 per hour. At the end of their CPL and IR training with BCFT, the difference of £35.00 per hour is reimbursed.
Your comment So what happened to no money up front? That was quickly forgotten!
My view Wrong I checked this out to ensure I wasn’t paying to little. The deal is that Jetline students pay £85.00/hr on a pay as you go deal. The uncommitted module student pays £120/hr but will get a refund if they go on to complete the ME/CPL/IR modules. Pretty straight forward and transparent offer I think.
Your comment And, when I was there a banner was being put up that clearly stated ‘Integrated Modular’ or was made to give a misleading idea of the course offered. This is immoral and wrong
My view I haven’t seen it! I am in there everyday, but as I am often distracted by studies I thought I would do a through inspection..Alas I couldn’t find it anywhere.
Goodness that was epic and probably pointless,
The only point I really want to make. Is that you should only regard a FTO brochure as an initial Sales pitch, which is all it is, and is no substitute for a in depth visit to a number of FTO at the very least once. Then revisit the short list / preferred one.
If you are off to PAT then I hope it works out for you…..and them !!
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Aaarghhh! Waaaay too much colour!
You boys have got too much time on your hands fiddling with those font/bold/italic/cut and pasty things here on pprune.....
Us old timers can't handle it.
My head hurts
(Could be the beer though)
Regards to all.
LJ
You boys have got too much time on your hands fiddling with those font/bold/italic/cut and pasty things here on pprune.....
Us old timers can't handle it.
My head hurts
(Could be the beer though)
Regards to all.
LJ