View Poll Results: Type rating?
Bought Type rating - got the job
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Bought Type rating - told "need time on type"
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You were told buy the type and get the job - but did not get a job offer anyway
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Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?
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KADS and E G you are both spot on I agree with everything you have to say. As far as I am concerned paying for your own type rating with no hope of a job DEVALUES pilots in the eyes of the 'bean counters', they see another way to CUT COSTS.
Then to go on to work for free or even PAY THEM is disgraceful. If one airline is getting away with this practice eventually others will follow. The upshot of this is wages in all airlines will fall in an attempt to further cut costs.
Wake up bean counters getting rid of all the ground based middlemanagers and youselves will save a fortune! Money better spent on ratings.
Anyone for bean counter hunting?
Then to go on to work for free or even PAY THEM is disgraceful. If one airline is getting away with this practice eventually others will follow. The upshot of this is wages in all airlines will fall in an attempt to further cut costs.
Wake up bean counters getting rid of all the ground based middlemanagers and youselves will save a fortune! Money better spent on ratings.
Anyone for bean counter hunting?
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Try one of eagle jets programmes in Miami
They have rating from a Beech 99 up to B737/757,A320/300 It can be quite costly up to $55,000 but for that you get up to 500hrs on type.
As for prostituting yourself as others may suggest i say go for it as if your desperate to fly and there is no other way then what choice do you have.
In the ideal utopia an airline would pay for all your training costs like mine did. But get real and be aware that in this market it just aint gonna happen that easily and anyone who criticises you for it ask them if they were in you position would they hang around waiting for that job that may never happen because the market is saturated with experienced people.
It's easy to pontificate from 33,000ft about those who are only trying to get to the same spot to enjoy what we experience every day.
Look after number one because no else is going to but i also look forward to the day when airlines are taking anyone with a licence.
Good luck
Try one of eagle jets programmes in Miami
They have rating from a Beech 99 up to B737/757,A320/300 It can be quite costly up to $55,000 but for that you get up to 500hrs on type.
As for prostituting yourself as others may suggest i say go for it as if your desperate to fly and there is no other way then what choice do you have.
In the ideal utopia an airline would pay for all your training costs like mine did. But get real and be aware that in this market it just aint gonna happen that easily and anyone who criticises you for it ask them if they were in you position would they hang around waiting for that job that may never happen because the market is saturated with experienced people.
It's easy to pontificate from 33,000ft about those who are only trying to get to the same spot to enjoy what we experience every day.
Look after number one because no else is going to but i also look forward to the day when airlines are taking anyone with a licence.
Good luck
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208inICE,
Sorry I don't have an answer to your question beyond what others have already said. Hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread a little, though?
A question for those who describe paying for a type rating as "prostituting themselves". What is the difference between paying for your type rating, and paying for your CPL/IR? Kads - you are quite right, doctors don't pay to be trained on the latest equipment. But they also don't pay for their initial training. So why should we pay for our initial training? And once we have paid for our initial training, can we blame anyone for wondering what else we will pay for???
No answers here.... and I certainly don't expect to find an airline that's willing to pay for my IR! I'm just curious about how other pilots view the world we live in.......
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Sorry I don't have an answer to your question beyond what others have already said. Hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread a little, though?
A question for those who describe paying for a type rating as "prostituting themselves". What is the difference between paying for your type rating, and paying for your CPL/IR? Kads - you are quite right, doctors don't pay to be trained on the latest equipment. But they also don't pay for their initial training. So why should we pay for our initial training? And once we have paid for our initial training, can we blame anyone for wondering what else we will pay for???
No answers here.... and I certainly don't expect to find an airline that's willing to pay for my IR! I'm just curious about how other pilots view the world we live in.......
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Why should an operator pay for a type-rating without bond if they don't have to?
As a passanger I appreciate that airline companies try to reduce cost. If I want to help others and can offord it I give money to a type-rating scholarship fund, the red-cross or something. If I want to fly, I choose Ryanair and not Samaritian Airlines. After all, if you have an increase in fares fewer pilots are to be employed.
I know that this industry is not at its peak but I just don't understand why anyone is blaming the operators and/or the pilots. If you spent £30.000 why wouldn't you pay for a type-rating? That might be the only way to actually get something out of the money you already spent. The pilot, the operator or the passengers don't mind. Fellow unemployed pilots? Well, we do have market economy after all.
As a passanger I appreciate that airline companies try to reduce cost. If I want to help others and can offord it I give money to a type-rating scholarship fund, the red-cross or something. If I want to fly, I choose Ryanair and not Samaritian Airlines. After all, if you have an increase in fares fewer pilots are to be employed.
I know that this industry is not at its peak but I just don't understand why anyone is blaming the operators and/or the pilots. If you spent £30.000 why wouldn't you pay for a type-rating? That might be the only way to actually get something out of the money you already spent. The pilot, the operator or the passengers don't mind. Fellow unemployed pilots? Well, we do have market economy after all.
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It is not logical (nor fair) to pay eg $25.000 for a type rating yourself.
Say, after one year you are made redundant, then you have to pay another $25.000 for a new rating, should you not be able to find a job on your first. Maybe 2-3 years down the line, you are made redundant again and the story (and waste of money) repeats itself. I know this is not a common scenario, but it is still not an unlikely one in these times of new start-ups popping up left and right. ( Personally I've been made redundant 4 times in the last 4 years from 3 different fairly major airlines )
As a passenger I would want to see the most qualified pilots get the job and not the ones willing to pay!!!
(No, I'm not implying that all "I-paid-for-my-rating-myself pilots" are unqualified, most probably are higly qualified, but if just one such selection is made, that is bad enough!!!)
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Are doctors not paying for their initial traing???
How many universities do you know of that hand out free Medical degrees, and also pay for the studies that are mandatory to reach a point where you get qualified for such a degree!?!?
Get real! There is a big diffrence in paying for your own studies up to a point where you are qualified for a job and a situation where you have to PAY large sums of money to get that job! And especially as long as there is saftey involved, there should NEVER be such a question!
If all the unions worldwide (IFALPA) stuck together on this point, there would be no such problem. My suggestion is to talk to your local union rep and ask him to bring it up on his next local union meeting!
We have all paid alot of money to get to where we are today, and we are all professionals. We should be treated in such a way, and should not allow us to be abused by petty management!
... just my 5 cents...
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KADS
It is not logical (nor fair) to pay eg $25.000 for a type rating yourself.
Say, after one year you are made redundant, then you have to pay another $25.000 for a new rating, should you not be able to find a job on your first. Maybe 2-3 years down the line, you are made redundant again and the story (and waste of money) repeats itself. I know this is not a common scenario, but it is still not an unlikely one in these times of new start-ups popping up left and right. ( Personally I've been made redundant 4 times in the last 4 years from 3 different fairly major airlines )
As a passenger I would want to see the most qualified pilots get the job and not the ones willing to pay!!!
(No, I'm not implying that all "I-paid-for-my-rating-myself pilots" are unqualified, most probably are higly qualified, but if just one such selection is made, that is bad enough!!!)
FlyingForFun-
Are doctors not paying for their initial traing???
How many universities do you know of that hand out free Medical degrees, and also pay for the studies that are mandatory to reach a point where you get qualified for such a degree!?!?
Get real! There is a big diffrence in paying for your own studies up to a point where you are qualified for a job and a situation where you have to PAY large sums of money to get that job! And especially as long as there is saftey involved, there should NEVER be such a question!
If all the unions worldwide (IFALPA) stuck together on this point, there would be no such problem. My suggestion is to talk to your local union rep and ask him to bring it up on his next local union meeting!
We have all paid alot of money to get to where we are today, and we are all professionals. We should be treated in such a way, and should not allow us to be abused by petty management!
... just my 5 cents...
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Gentlemen,
I appreciate everyone's honest replies. I am flying in Canada where pilots are not so fortunate where the standard operation flies jets. We start from the very bottom as loaders and groomers even after we got our license. After that it's a huge deal when you get to fly a Navajo (do you even know what that is). After seven years in the industry I am a Captain on a King Air, and the way the industry looks I will be here for way too long.
No disrespect to many of you guys, but I have more Command time than most F/O's flying A320 or 737. My experience includes 4000 hrs, 3000 of which are command time. Also, we are flying in the most difficult areas and absolute minimal and often subpar equipment. Not something someone with an FMS, flying above weather can say.
I agree with everyone that paying for a type rating and buying time is not the answer as it encourages operators to squeeze more and more out of us a pilots. HOWEVER: maybe it's the ticket to a high paying job in the middle east or asia, where i'll be sitting at FL350 making US$80000 tax free??? instead of making Can$ 40000 before tax, living in a ****-hole up north where it got to be -55 celsius in windchill last winter and we still had to go fly!!! So you can imagine our situation in Canada....
I do carry a european passport and wonder if it might be better to get my JAA license instead??? or spend the money on type rating??? I would appreciate your opinions...
Thank you
I appreciate everyone's honest replies. I am flying in Canada where pilots are not so fortunate where the standard operation flies jets. We start from the very bottom as loaders and groomers even after we got our license. After that it's a huge deal when you get to fly a Navajo (do you even know what that is). After seven years in the industry I am a Captain on a King Air, and the way the industry looks I will be here for way too long.
No disrespect to many of you guys, but I have more Command time than most F/O's flying A320 or 737. My experience includes 4000 hrs, 3000 of which are command time. Also, we are flying in the most difficult areas and absolute minimal and often subpar equipment. Not something someone with an FMS, flying above weather can say.
I agree with everyone that paying for a type rating and buying time is not the answer as it encourages operators to squeeze more and more out of us a pilots. HOWEVER: maybe it's the ticket to a high paying job in the middle east or asia, where i'll be sitting at FL350 making US$80000 tax free??? instead of making Can$ 40000 before tax, living in a ****-hole up north where it got to be -55 celsius in windchill last winter and we still had to go fly!!! So you can imagine our situation in Canada....
I do carry a european passport and wonder if it might be better to get my JAA license instead??? or spend the money on type rating??? I would appreciate your opinions...
Thank you
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208inICE, while understanding what you are saying, it still maybe a case of the grass always being greener..........
loads of pilots in the UK and Europe would love to fly in the wilderness - but there just isn't the demand or the environment - certainly in the UK. Highlands and Islands is the nearest we get to it.
so it just depends what way you look at it...........
loads of pilots in the UK and Europe would love to fly in the wilderness - but there just isn't the demand or the environment - certainly in the UK. Highlands and Islands is the nearest we get to it.
so it just depends what way you look at it...........
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Talking of type ratings; does anyone remeber the recent excitement about Caravan type ratings because of the never ending about to be relaxation on single pilot IFR that the Swiss are trying to push through.
Having done the Air Law exam (results pending I hasten to say), it just occured to me that the Caravan wouldn't need a type rating, just a conversion!! Was somebody having a larf or have I failed Air Law?
Having done the Air Law exam (results pending I hasten to say), it just occured to me that the Caravan wouldn't need a type rating, just a conversion!! Was somebody having a larf or have I failed Air Law?
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FFF,
It was not so terribly long ago that many airlines would pay for an instrument rating.
You just need to look at the nomenclature:
Commercial Pilots Licence
Instrument Rating
Since there is no chance of getting a job without the IR it makes me wonder why there isnt simply a combined Commercial Instrument Pilots Licence - but I guess that might be too obvious.
I have written alot on this forum about the rights and wrongs (mainly about the wrongs
)of paying for a type rating, even the MCC was supposed to be paid for by airlines as part of an introduction to the company, use of their SOPs and primer to transport operations, but another business managed to cynically turn that into a money spinner and it has now become a de facto requirement before you can even apply for jobs.
There is another option, it is called patience. We are not talking about going up to the local flying club and paying to go for a jolly in the latest whizz bang supper dooper PA28 Tubo Rectractible Wobbly prop supership. We are talking about businesses that are taking money from people who wish to be transported by aeroplane from Point A to Point B safely and comfortably.
Those passengers should be able to expect the highest levels of professionalism and safety from the crew of that aeroplane, if one (or both) of the flight deck crew are paying to work is that professional or safe? What are the legal implications of someone who is paying to fly the aircraft - are they then an employee or not? How does the hull insurance company view this - is the insurance still valid if non-employees are flying? Who is responsible if the paying member of flight crew breaks the aeroplane?
Maybe I am just getting old and cynical.
It was not so terribly long ago that many airlines would pay for an instrument rating.
You just need to look at the nomenclature:
Commercial Pilots Licence
Instrument Rating
Since there is no chance of getting a job without the IR it makes me wonder why there isnt simply a combined Commercial Instrument Pilots Licence - but I guess that might be too obvious.
I have written alot on this forum about the rights and wrongs (mainly about the wrongs
)of paying for a type rating, even the MCC was supposed to be paid for by airlines as part of an introduction to the company, use of their SOPs and primer to transport operations, but another business managed to cynically turn that into a money spinner and it has now become a de facto requirement before you can even apply for jobs.
As for prostituting yourself as others may suggest i say go for it as if your desperate to fly and there is no other way then what choice do you have.
Those passengers should be able to expect the highest levels of professionalism and safety from the crew of that aeroplane, if one (or both) of the flight deck crew are paying to work is that professional or safe? What are the legal implications of someone who is paying to fly the aircraft - are they then an employee or not? How does the hull insurance company view this - is the insurance still valid if non-employees are flying? Who is responsible if the paying member of flight crew breaks the aeroplane?
Maybe I am just getting old and cynical.
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How many years have you waited for a job.?
If like me over 5 years and possibly the same for the thread originator then how much patience should one keep heaping on every year as one gets older and see the openings get less and less interest rates rising or the property market passing you by etc etc.
If i had had the money a few years ago i would have not hesitated going for one of them and watched the self righteous hang on for the free job. Dont get me wrong i would have hated having to pay up even more money but my desire to fly would have easily seen to that.
I got lucky by networking and never stepping on anyones toes and it worked for me. My airline paid for everything and im grateful for that. But how long must someone wait to get there taking the pious route.
One thing for sure is that the UK national with their 1000 hours instructing is not going to get taken on easily when there are hundreds of non UK nationals flooding the country with guess what... a Type Rating and lots of hours to boot.
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Look at www.eaglejet.net
You metioned about working in the middle or far east. Their 737 and 320 progarmmes i think operate in that region and/or eastern europe.
As with everything on this website there are 3 sides to every coin and everyone has an opinion. Sort the wheat from the chaff and go with what you think is.
Good luck and sometimes i wish i was doing you flying until i get to play with FMS that is.
How many years have you waited for a job.?
If like me over 5 years and possibly the same for the thread originator then how much patience should one keep heaping on every year as one gets older and see the openings get less and less interest rates rising or the property market passing you by etc etc.
If i had had the money a few years ago i would have not hesitated going for one of them and watched the self righteous hang on for the free job. Dont get me wrong i would have hated having to pay up even more money but my desire to fly would have easily seen to that.
I got lucky by networking and never stepping on anyones toes and it worked for me. My airline paid for everything and im grateful for that. But how long must someone wait to get there taking the pious route.
One thing for sure is that the UK national with their 1000 hours instructing is not going to get taken on easily when there are hundreds of non UK nationals flooding the country with guess what... a Type Rating and lots of hours to boot.
208
Look at www.eaglejet.net
You metioned about working in the middle or far east. Their 737 and 320 progarmmes i think operate in that region and/or eastern europe.
As with everything on this website there are 3 sides to every coin and everyone has an opinion. Sort the wheat from the chaff and go with what you think is.
Good luck and sometimes i wish i was doing you flying until i get to play with FMS that is.
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Flaps to 60,
I have yet to get an IR, so I am not in a position to apply for any job, and to be honest the whole idea of having to pay yet more and more money to get a job is making me seriously question continuing. I am willing and have planned for a likely pay cut to take a job as a pilot - but having to pay for the priveledge is maybe just a step too far that my wife would not be willing to take. Why should pilots have to subsidise a commercial organisation's training budget?
Consider the questions I ask about responsibility for insurance while paying to work. I have yet to hear any answers to them, from anyone.
At the PPRuNe seminars a few years ago, all the people who were at the front of the room made it clear that buying a type rating was a bad idea - why should I discount their advice now?
I also find it interesting that many of the people who advocate paying for type ratings never paid for them themselves.
If you are now a first officer, and your company told you that you were no longer required, but replaced you with a paying first officer would your enthusiasm for paid type ratings and line time still be as strong? The desire and enthusiasm for flying I have is still a powerful driving force, but there is also a financial reality that has to be considered as well.
Just in case you think I am being too pious, the sickness is spreading beyond first job pay for your own type ratings:
This scheme means you have to provide a bank guarantee of €32,000 (so if you dont make the grade you have no job and a whopping big loan to service) plus if you do make the grade the agency will deduct €2667 per month from your salary for a year, you have to organise your own transport to a hotel down route (which you have to organise and pay for yourself) plus it is up to the paying flightcrew to look after tax and social security payments.
I have yet to get an IR, so I am not in a position to apply for any job, and to be honest the whole idea of having to pay yet more and more money to get a job is making me seriously question continuing. I am willing and have planned for a likely pay cut to take a job as a pilot - but having to pay for the priveledge is maybe just a step too far that my wife would not be willing to take. Why should pilots have to subsidise a commercial organisation's training budget?
Consider the questions I ask about responsibility for insurance while paying to work. I have yet to hear any answers to them, from anyone.
At the PPRuNe seminars a few years ago, all the people who were at the front of the room made it clear that buying a type rating was a bad idea - why should I discount their advice now?
I also find it interesting that many of the people who advocate paying for type ratings never paid for them themselves.
If you are now a first officer, and your company told you that you were no longer required, but replaced you with a paying first officer would your enthusiasm for paid type ratings and line time still be as strong? The desire and enthusiasm for flying I have is still a powerful driving force, but there is also a financial reality that has to be considered as well.
Just in case you think I am being too pious, the sickness is spreading beyond first job pay for your own type ratings:
Position:
B747 Type Rating / First Officer Programme
Experience/ Skills:
1500 Hours jet experience
Details:
P*** Aviation, in association with a leading international airline, are pleased to offer First Officers the opportunity to gain a type rating, and fly the B747-400.
In this unique programme, P***offer you the chance to self-sponsor a type rating for the Boeing 747-400 aircraft. Upon successfully gaining this type rating, we will then offer a one year contract as First Officer, flying intercontinental routes. Upon completion of this year, P*** Aviation will, using our position as the biggest flight crew leasing company in the world, endeavour to find further assignments for you.
Interested applicants should have the following minimum requirements:
- JAR Licence
- Class 1 JAR Medical
- EU Passport
- Minimum 2500 hours total time including 1500 hours on jet aircraft.
- Candidates with minimum 3000 hours TurboProp 'Glass Cockpit' experience may also be considered.
B747 Type Rating / First Officer Programme
Experience/ Skills:
1500 Hours jet experience
Details:
P*** Aviation, in association with a leading international airline, are pleased to offer First Officers the opportunity to gain a type rating, and fly the B747-400.
In this unique programme, P***offer you the chance to self-sponsor a type rating for the Boeing 747-400 aircraft. Upon successfully gaining this type rating, we will then offer a one year contract as First Officer, flying intercontinental routes. Upon completion of this year, P*** Aviation will, using our position as the biggest flight crew leasing company in the world, endeavour to find further assignments for you.
Interested applicants should have the following minimum requirements:
- JAR Licence
- Class 1 JAR Medical
- EU Passport
- Minimum 2500 hours total time including 1500 hours on jet aircraft.
- Candidates with minimum 3000 hours TurboProp 'Glass Cockpit' experience may also be considered.
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I agree
Paying for the type rating is bull, if you do you bring the whole industry down.
Ok bonding is fine, that I can live with. Or even if you pay for it when you are asured of a job.....fine, AS LONG as your money is refunded in full in six months. There are companies that do that. This bloody topic makes me so mad I find it hard to make sense. Ahhhhhhhhh
Why do we have to pay? Because these doctors and accountants etc that get free training and end up earning a sh!tload more than us. Well these people still want to fly from London to Rome for 20 quid......who pays? The poor sod that wants to make a living flyin these people.
I say put ticket prices up...you cant pay...too bad take a bus
Thats my bit
Ok bonding is fine, that I can live with. Or even if you pay for it when you are asured of a job.....fine, AS LONG as your money is refunded in full in six months. There are companies that do that. This bloody topic makes me so mad I find it hard to make sense. Ahhhhhhhhh
Why do we have to pay? Because these doctors and accountants etc that get free training and end up earning a sh!tload more than us. Well these people still want to fly from London to Rome for 20 quid......who pays? The poor sod that wants to make a living flyin these people.
I say put ticket prices up...you cant pay...too bad take a bus
Thats my bit
Type Rating test (for ICAO conversion)
Just wondering if anyone has converted their ICAO to JAT ATPL with a Type Rating test (and theory exams of course)
I am looking for a TR test on a Dash 8. At this stage I've only found (insert reputable company name) who have offered me a basic endorsement for 22,000 Euros, plus base training for an additional 10,000. If I already have 500 on type, I guess you can see why I'd be nuts to do it all again, when I could probably buy a Jet TR for that price.
So any advice, experiences?
I am looking for a TR test on a Dash 8. At this stage I've only found (insert reputable company name) who have offered me a basic endorsement for 22,000 Euros, plus base training for an additional 10,000. If I already have 500 on type, I guess you can see why I'd be nuts to do it all again, when I could probably buy a Jet TR for that price.
So any advice, experiences?
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Yep, I did mine on the Shorts 330. My fiance did his on the 737-300. I did mine in the aircraft, he did his in the sim.
I had to do all sorts of extra stuff such as limited panel, stalls, steep turns etc whereas he didn't.
The guts of it is, take off, do a SID, track on an airway using either an RMI or VOR. Upper air work (if they are so inclined), back to the hold. (Note, they love their holding patterns here. Must nominate and stick to a speed etc), NDB approach with a circling approach (note, not the same way as it's done in Oz). Land. Take off again, lose an engine, back into the hold (or vectored for the ILS). Do the ILS single engine and either land or go round. (I've forgotten). I think you go-round, get the engine back and a normal ILS to land.
Holding patterns are the go, speed nomination and adherence to as well, you can nominate another speed, need to be +-5 knots. Other tolerances the same in Oz.
I had to do all sorts of extra stuff such as limited panel, stalls, steep turns etc whereas he didn't.
The guts of it is, take off, do a SID, track on an airway using either an RMI or VOR. Upper air work (if they are so inclined), back to the hold. (Note, they love their holding patterns here. Must nominate and stick to a speed etc), NDB approach with a circling approach (note, not the same way as it's done in Oz). Land. Take off again, lose an engine, back into the hold (or vectored for the ILS). Do the ILS single engine and either land or go round. (I've forgotten). I think you go-round, get the engine back and a normal ILS to land.
Holding patterns are the go, speed nomination and adherence to as well, you can nominate another speed, need to be +-5 knots. Other tolerances the same in Oz.
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Can you REALLY get a job without a type rating??
I'm thinking of starting EFT APP course next summer. There is however a lot that I'm already thinking about! 
The course costs around $55 000 and if you add up the extras that you need, it comes up to about $ 70 000. (Correct me if I'm wrong) It will take about a year to complete the course and a year to work as an intern instructor.
So my question here is, does this course (or similar courses) really lead you to an airline job directly after you finish your time as an intern instructor? Can you get a job without any specific type rating?
If it is needed, could someone tell me about their experience of how they ended up with an airline job after an integrated course like the EFT APP course?
Thank you
The course costs around $55 000 and if you add up the extras that you need, it comes up to about $ 70 000. (Correct me if I'm wrong) It will take about a year to complete the course and a year to work as an intern instructor.
So my question here is, does this course (or similar courses) really lead you to an airline job directly after you finish your time as an intern instructor? Can you get a job without any specific type rating?
If it is needed, could someone tell me about their experience of how they ended up with an airline job after an integrated course like the EFT APP course?
Thank you
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I bloody hope so!
I just hope that loads of wannabees have read the recent post http://www.pprune.com/forums/showthr...hreadid=142778 as this outines the massive detrimental effect that self sponsoring a type rating leads to.
The more people that pay for their job, the worse the salaries/benefits/perks get. Buy gaining a flight instructors license seems the most honourable way to the right hand seat of an airliner and it will cost you far less. Not to mention that flight instructing seems to be very rewarding and enjoyable.
Don't count your chickens as it may take you longer than you think to get that lucky break. I good friend of mine got his licence 2 years ago and hasn't had a sniff.
perseverance seems to be the key.
Good luck.
I just hope that loads of wannabees have read the recent post http://www.pprune.com/forums/showthr...hreadid=142778 as this outines the massive detrimental effect that self sponsoring a type rating leads to.
The more people that pay for their job, the worse the salaries/benefits/perks get. Buy gaining a flight instructors license seems the most honourable way to the right hand seat of an airliner and it will cost you far less. Not to mention that flight instructing seems to be very rewarding and enjoyable.
Don't count your chickens as it may take you longer than you think to get that lucky break. I good friend of mine got his licence 2 years ago and hasn't had a sniff.
perseverance seems to be the key.
Good luck.
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Actually, to be accurate, the thread you refer to does not suggest that paying for a type rating has 'a massive detrimental effect'! The ramifications for pay and conditions comes from those fools who work for free in the hope that gaining hours will help them. What they don't see is that when you work for free you are saying that your work has no value, therefore why should anyone ever pay you?
SSTRs are a legitimate method of potentially improving your employability. Whether they work or not depends on who you talk to. This is quite a separate issue from companies forcing you to pay for type ratings which is, IMHO, wrong - although it has effectively been done for years. Even the BA Cadetship made you pay for it with a reduced salary.
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SSTRs are a legitimate method of potentially improving your employability. Whether they work or not depends on who you talk to. This is quite a separate issue from companies forcing you to pay for type ratings which is, IMHO, wrong - although it has effectively been done for years. Even the BA Cadetship made you pay for it with a reduced salary.
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An ex-EFT instructor (without type-rating) is now working for Eastern Airways on the Jetstream.
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"Ham Phisted" check your PM please.
So does any one honestly think with reference to what scroggs was talking about, that one can get a decent airline job without having to beg for it?
So does any one honestly think with reference to what scroggs was talking about, that one can get a decent airline job without having to beg for it?
Why do it if it's not fun?
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There is no guarantee of a job in this industry, either with or without a type rating. We are in, or trying to get into, an industry where the supply of pilots is far greater than the demand - and we can not expect a job to be handed to us on a plate just because we've completed the required training.
A type rating may or may not enhance your chances of a job. There are plenty of people out there who have got jobs without type ratings, and plenty of others who do have type ratings but still can't get a job.
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A type rating may or may not enhance your chances of a job. There are plenty of people out there who have got jobs without type ratings, and plenty of others who do have type ratings but still can't get a job.
FFF
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