Licence Questions (requirements, costs, hours, LASORS etc.)

[preduk]

Congrats on passing your ATPL Theory!

[PIGDOG]

There are different requirements for Integrated students than for modular.

Since you say you're modular; you need to have 100 hours PIC, and have a total of 150 hours. It's all there in Lasors, it just takes some headbashing to figure it out.

As far a I know you can wait and send off the two together and save a bit of money. You'll need it!

[philltowns]

Yes, well done. Its a big stepping stone to get your theory out of the way.
From the way I read LASORS, the requirements to start a modular CPL course are 150hrs TT. There doesn't appear to be a PIC requirement specifically for starting the CPL.

The requirements for CPL issue are:

• 200hrs TT, including...
• 100hrs PIC for modular (70 for integrated)
• 20hrs VFR X-C, including your 300nm nav
• 10hrs instrument dual time, no more than 5 of which is in a sim
• 5hrs night flight (3 dual, 1 X-C, 5 t/o + ldgs)

Different schools ask for different pre-course requirements. I'm about to start the CPL, and don't have the X-C time they ask for. On speaking to them, they said I could still start the course, I'd just need to make up the hours before test.

Hope that's of use.

[philltowns]

If its of any use, I used LASORS, Section D, Part 1.2(D). Its on Page 5 of Section D. Or if you've downloaded the whole LASORS document, page 147.

[jonjon]

Requirements

Hi There,

Well done for your ATPLs.

Having finished mine in February and being almost done with my CPL now, the requirements are:

150 hours total to START the training.
100 PIC to get your license issued.

It means that you don't need 100 hours to start and even get to the skill test, you only need the hours when you send your logbook to the CAA to get your license validated. You still need to have the 300 nm qualifying flight, your night rating of course (again, not to start the course, but to present the skills test).

Some guys here don't have the 100PIC and others still have to finish off their night rating, they only firm requirement to start the course is 150hrs total.

Hope it helps a bit

[balboa]

Saying that and on a similar note, what are requirements for starting IR if you do it that way round...some people go for that option- make up some time then do CPL?

[philltowns]

Looks like a PPL(A) with night rating. Also says 50hrs X-C time, at least 10hrs of which should be in aeroplanes, but I'm unsure whether that's to start the course, or for IR issue.

[tony2F]

If you look in Jar fcl 1 or lasors for the 100hr pic requirement under an integrated CPL/IR program they allow the 100 PIC requirement to be made up of 50 hr vfr and 50 ir pic (supervised -under the hood). Is there any allowance in the modular system for an amount of hours flown under the hood as pic (supervised) to count toward the total?? thanks

[Blueskyrich]

Many thanks for the quick responses to my questions

Just out of interest, could anyone tell me how hours flown whilst doing the ME/CPL are logged?

Ta muchly again!
Rich

[potkettleblack]

Flying hours during your training are logged as P/UT. Also any hours spent in an FNTP1 or 2 can go into your logbook for the purposes of licence issue but cannot be added into the "total" column.

[jamestkirk]

Do you need a Valid IR for an type rating

Sorry. Don't really want to start a thread on this, so if someone PM's me, thanks.

I cannot find it in lasors, what a surprise!.

Do you have to have a current IR to do a type rating.

I was asked the question but have no idea.

Thanks

[TheFlyingDJ]

affirm, you at least need a valid me-ir in most cases

[stephen_b]

yeah an ME IR is well and truly needed. I had a friend who went to do his A320 TR and then realised his IR had expireed resulting in his TR place being given to someone else!!

[TheFlyingDJ]

AUCH... well, if you forget your licence validity...

anyway, common sense: no IR? no commercial flying. Makes sense?

[Han 1st Solo]

I think this is where current and valid, come into play. As I understand it the CAA say that your IR is valid for 5 years after which if you want to renew it, it is classed as an initial and has to done with a CAA examiner. It remains current for 1 year and if renewed within the 5 years then can be done by an IR renewal examiner who doesn't work for the CAA. A friend of mines IR was not current when he did his type rating but was classed to be valid by the CAA. I do believe it depends on individual company policy though, that of course may differ from the CAA. I am currently undertaking a type rating and my IR lapsed in January. When I asked if the company wanted me to renew it before I started my type rating I was told that this wasn't necessary. As part of the type rating you will be issued with a Multi Pilot IR, so if you then wish you needn't renew your single pilot IR ever again if all you intend on flying is a multi pilot aircraft.

I standby to be corrected!

regards,

Han.

[potkettleblack]

Its in LASORS. Section F4 page 18. Under section b of the section on pre-requisite conditions for training you will see that you need a current and valid multi engine instrument rating along with 100 hours PIC and a few other bits and pieces.

Use the "find" function in adobe and answers to all these sorts of things take stuff all.

[jamestkirk]

Thank you

thanks everyone.

[BillieBob]

I think this is where current and valid, come into play.

Not any more. JAR-FCL says, quite clearly, that a 'valid' MEIR is a pre-entry requirement for the first MPA type rating course. It also says, quite clearly, that an IR is 'valid' for 12 months. Even the UK CAA has, at long last, come into line on this one - there is no longer any distinction between 'valid' and 'current'. To start a first MPA type rating course, you must have passed an IR Skill Test or Proficiency Check within the preceding 12 months.

[Lightheart]

MCC exemption

I am to apply to the CAA for one.

Does anyone know if you should have your JAR CPL license first or is this just a piece of paper that's issued and carried separately?

[Longchop]

ATPL Issue fees??? How much!!??

Does anyone know how much it costs for the issue of the INITIAL JAR ATPL in the UK???
Cant find the info anywhere....Lasors, CAA, SRG.....no idea!!
thanks!