Licence Questions (requirements, costs, hours, LASORS etc.)
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Potkettle is correct in saying that your exams remain current unless your IR expires by 7 years or more.
Regarding renewing/revalidating your IR in the sim, it is true that there is a new rule that you can only revalidate in the sim every second year. I believe that the rule also says that you can not renew in the sim (if your IR is expired) at all - this must be done in the aircraft. I may be wrong, though... it's all new and I haven't quite got to grips with it yet.
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Regarding renewing/revalidating your IR in the sim, it is true that there is a new rule that you can only revalidate in the sim every second year. I believe that the rule also says that you can not renew in the sim (if your IR is expired) at all - this must be done in the aircraft. I may be wrong, though... it's all new and I haven't quite got to grips with it yet.
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FFF you are referring to JAR FCL 1 amendment 5 for which the CAA has not adopted yet, amendment 3 is still current (as the ANO refers to this one).
Back to the main question.
Once CPL and IR are obtained within initial 36 months, the ATPLs are valid for 7 years from the expiry of the IR. Say you dont renew for 6 years, when you do renew you get another 7 years from expiry of that new IR validity.
Now say you dont get the IR only the CPL. You have 2 options.
1) just do IR exams again for which there are 7-but doing these does not reinstate your ATPL theory, so if you want to upgrade to ATPL you wont be able to.
2) do all ATPL exams again and get 36 months initially to get IR, and once obtained you get 7 years again.
HB
Back to the main question.
Once CPL and IR are obtained within initial 36 months, the ATPLs are valid for 7 years from the expiry of the IR. Say you dont renew for 6 years, when you do renew you get another 7 years from expiry of that new IR validity.
Now say you dont get the IR only the CPL. You have 2 options.
1) just do IR exams again for which there are 7-but doing these does not reinstate your ATPL theory, so if you want to upgrade to ATPL you wont be able to.
2) do all ATPL exams again and get 36 months initially to get IR, and once obtained you get 7 years again.
HB
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I remember worrying about this too a few years ago. Fact is 7 years is a long time because when you're qualified you'll be continually searching for your first airline job.
Luckily for you guys the industry is very good at the moment and you will probably have a job within the first year after your MCC.
All the best!
Luckily for you guys the industry is very good at the moment and you will probably have a job within the first year after your MCC.
All the best!
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It may be in LASORS but, as Hour Builder says above, it is not yet in the ANO so it is not UK law yet.
Therefore version 3 of JAR FCL still stands - you can do renewals in the FNPT2and every revalidation can still be done in the FNPT2.
I checked this last week with my contact at the CAA and he confirmed it. Interestingly enough, he also said that some schools are choosing to apply the new rule even though it is not yet in the ANO.
Linda
It may be in LASORS but, as Hour Builder says above, it is not yet in the ANO so it is not UK law yet.
Therefore version 3 of JAR FCL still stands - you can do renewals in the FNPT2and every revalidation can still be done in the FNPT2.
I checked this last week with my contact at the CAA and he confirmed it. Interestingly enough, he also said that some schools are choosing to apply the new rule even though it is not yet in the ANO.
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As HB says, an ICAO contracted State should permit the conversion of a foreign licence from another contracting state. What the foreign state deems appropriate for a conversion though can depend on their standards. This is what seems to have happened when converting to JAR 
Which country were you considering?
Which country were you considering?
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Freezing Jaa ATPL with ICAO IR
Just on the Subject of Jaa ATP's
Was wondering once or before I have my ATP Exams..
To get a Frozen ATP Do I have to get instument rated in Europe or is it possible to get IR in Say South Africa,
Or if i do it in SA would i have to do the conversion here in the 36mnths to get a Frozen JAA ATP.
Commonsense tells me you have to do it in Europe, tho I hope theres another way around paying £11 k to do it here in the Uk..
Was wondering once or before I have my ATP Exams..
To get a Frozen ATP Do I have to get instument rated in Europe or is it possible to get IR in Say South Africa,
Or if i do it in SA would i have to do the conversion here in the 36mnths to get a Frozen JAA ATP.
Commonsense tells me you have to do it in Europe, tho I hope theres another way around paying £11 k to do it here in the Uk..
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The requirements for ISSUE of your CPL are as follows:
Upon completion of the CPL course, you must satisfy the following conditions in order for your licence to be issued:
Have accumulated 200 hours flight time, of which must be 100 hours PIC, 10 hours instrument time, 5 hours night time, and 20 hours of cross country time
Have completed a 300 nm cross-country flight including 2 full stop landings at airfields other than your starting point.
Hold a valid Class 1 Medical certificate
Have successfully completed all 14 CPL or ATPL theoretical knowlege exams
Since there is no P1 time on the CPL course, it follows that you must have 100 hrs PIC to commence training. Hope this helps
Upon completion of the CPL course, you must satisfy the following conditions in order for your licence to be issued:
Have accumulated 200 hours flight time, of which must be 100 hours PIC, 10 hours instrument time, 5 hours night time, and 20 hours of cross country time
Have completed a 300 nm cross-country flight including 2 full stop landings at airfields other than your starting point.
Hold a valid Class 1 Medical certificate
Have successfully completed all 14 CPL or ATPL theoretical knowlege exams
Since there is no P1 time on the CPL course, it follows that you must have 100 hrs PIC to commence training. Hope this helps
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3bars is right in that those are the requirements for the ISSUE of a CPL. However, the only requirement to start training on a CPL course is to have 150 hours. You will need to have passed all 14 ground exams in order to take the test, but the rest is only for the CPL issue.
You also need to have 'met all the requirements for CPL issue' before you start your IR in order to get the 5 hours dispensation on the 55 hour course.
Linda
You also need to have 'met all the requirements for CPL issue' before you start your IR in order to get the 5 hours dispensation on the 55 hour course.
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I suggest you get hold of this and understand it well.
Go to section D and work through the text and it will answer your questions.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS_07.pdf
Go to section D and work through the text and it will answer your questions.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/LASORS_07.pdf
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JAA temporary license?
When you wait for the CAA to issue you the new license with a new aircraft endorsement, is it possible to fly without the "the new" license,
Just with your "old" license and a paper that shows that you have passed the typerating skills test until you receive the license that has the endrsment on it. Is it legal to do so? Can a JAA examiner issue you a temporary license like in the U.S.
Just with your "old" license and a paper that shows that you have passed the typerating skills test until you receive the license that has the endrsment on it. Is it legal to do so? Can a JAA examiner issue you a temporary license like in the U.S.
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Can I do this? Minimum Hour Requirement.
Hi there. I am hoping to complete my ME IR and FIC in Madrid this Summer, back to back. However I have came accross a possible snag.
The minimum requirements for the FIC state I must have completed at least 200 hours of flight of which a PPL holder must have at least 150 as PIC.
I currently have 150 TT, around 100 of which is PIC. My question is this basically - would the time I get in the air during the IR count. Would I be PIC or PUT? It does however also say that a CPL holder needs only 100 hours PIC.
So will I have to do my IR, then my CPL and then my FIC last? Any advice would be much appreciated.
Kind Regards,
Alex
The minimum requirements for the FIC state I must have completed at least 200 hours of flight of which a PPL holder must have at least 150 as PIC.
I currently have 150 TT, around 100 of which is PIC. My question is this basically - would the time I get in the air during the IR count. Would I be PIC or PUT? It does however also say that a CPL holder needs only 100 hours PIC.
So will I have to do my IR, then my CPL and then my FIC last? Any advice would be much appreciated.
Kind Regards,
Alex
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Its all P/UT. Also any time spent in a sim (FNTP1 or 2 ) is not loggable in the strictest sense. It can count towards the rating or licence you are going for but you can't add it into your "hours column" in your logbook. You could always burn 50 hours out there after your ME/CPL and IR to get your time up before the FIC.
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Aw 
- that is not the answer I was wanting! I think I will just get CPL first. Then I will only need 100 PIC (which I already have). What a nightmare! So am I 100% right - If I have a CPL I will only need 100 PIC? And then I can start FIC training straight after my IR.
Why is life to blinking hard!?!?!?!?
- that is not the answer I was wanting! I think I will just get CPL first. Then I will only need 100 PIC (which I already have). What a nightmare! So am I 100% right - If I have a CPL I will only need 100 PIC? And then I can start FIC training straight after my IR.Why is life to blinking hard!?!?!?!?
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As I read LASORS, there isn't an hours requirement if you hold a CPL licence. Its states that you need 200hrs TT with 150hrs PIC if holding a PPL.
Have at least a CPL(A) or completed at least 200
hours of flight time of which 150 hours as
Pilot-in-Command if holding a PPL(A).
hours of flight time of which 150 hours as
Pilot-in-Command if holding a PPL(A).
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CPL Minimum Hours for Commencement and Issue
Hello everyone,
Now this very lucky boy has completed his ATPL theory (one hell of a feeling let me tell you - 18 months of distance learning hell!), I need to focus on the next stage.
Now, I'm hoping that some of you lovely people out there can help with regards to the ME/CPL stage.
I'm a modular student and I'm having some issues in clarifying the minimum amounts hours I need to firstly begin the ME/CPL module and to have the CAA to sign me off?
The reason I ask is that some schools quote a minimum of 70hrs PIC and 150TT to start the training, with others quoting a figure of 100hrs PIC to begin.
Then, once you have successfully completed a CPL, can you wait until you complete an IR to save money in CAA fees? Does this make any difference with regards to the minimum hours you need for licence issue.
Whilst LASORS etc. show certain figures, it all seems a bit contradictory - can anyone clear this up?
Many thanks,
Bluesky
PS. To anyone struggling with those ATPL exams - hang in there. Keep grafting. Don't lose sight of what you want. There is hope and there is light at the end of the tunnel. Believe in yourself and it CAN happen!
Now this very lucky boy has completed his ATPL theory (one hell of a feeling let me tell you - 18 months of distance learning hell!), I need to focus on the next stage.
Now, I'm hoping that some of you lovely people out there can help with regards to the ME/CPL stage.
I'm a modular student and I'm having some issues in clarifying the minimum amounts hours I need to firstly begin the ME/CPL module and to have the CAA to sign me off?
The reason I ask is that some schools quote a minimum of 70hrs PIC and 150TT to start the training, with others quoting a figure of 100hrs PIC to begin.
Then, once you have successfully completed a CPL, can you wait until you complete an IR to save money in CAA fees? Does this make any difference with regards to the minimum hours you need for licence issue.
Whilst LASORS etc. show certain figures, it all seems a bit contradictory - can anyone clear this up?
Many thanks,
Bluesky
PS. To anyone struggling with those ATPL exams - hang in there. Keep grafting. Don't lose sight of what you want. There is hope and there is light at the end of the tunnel. Believe in yourself and it CAN happen!