Phoenix East Aviation
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Anyway, these moaning bastards are just bitter fools who dont know how to get along in life and think that they can sit back and let everyone else do everything for them.
Always some tosser...
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Originally Posted by Robert Palmer
Looks like you are the fool, I was there 6 years ago. I know both management persons in question here. I worked there AND GOT ON IN LIFE. How about you, we are the same age...
Always some tosser...
Always some tosser...
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Funny how those complaining either wont give their identification or are speaking about 4 to 6 years ago. I'm really happy here. The single engine planes are all new 172SPs with all the electronics. They have 6 nice Senecas and the staff is great. I would just tell anybody that is thinking about a flight school to visit Phoenix and find out for them self what a great place it is. By the way, the price cant be beat too, and instructors are leaving all the time for real jobs. The chief pilot at Mesa just said he would rather hire Phoenix graduates becuase they are the best trained pilots as far as he is concerned.
See for yourself. Dont trust somebody that was a failure.
See for yourself. Dont trust somebody that was a failure.
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Originally Posted by feduke
Funny how those complaining either wont give their identification or are speaking about 4 to 6 years ago. I'm really happy here. The single engine planes are all new 172SPs with all the electronics. They have 6 nice Senecas and the staff is great. I would just tell anybody that is thinking about a flight school to visit Phoenix and find out for them self what a great place it is. By the way, the price cant be beat too, and instructors are leaving all the time for real jobs. The chief pilot at Mesa just said he would rather hire Phoenix graduates becuase they are the best trained pilots as far as he is concerned.
See for yourself. Dont trust somebody that was a failure.
See for yourself. Dont trust somebody that was a failure.
PS. I doubt that all that bum hole licking, is going to get you cheap flight lessons. Just a thought!
Join Date: May 2005
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It's like being back at school listening to you two!!. Mudslinging aside, I visited PEA in November and met a guy called Bob in admissions. Nice chap and quite funny. Spent time with me and showed me around the school. I have to admit it looked quite good. Even offered me the oportunity to speak with other students to get an idea of what the place was like. I have to say there are a lot of non us nationals there, but I think that just goes to show the place has a good reputation. All in all It looked a good place to train and get hours under your belt. The lack of any JAA training was a negative point for me, but they are hurdles you can overcome. Best thing to do is go visit it yourself. You can make your own mind up then.
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I am just about to take the plundge to head to florida to pilot training. I was just wondering if any one has anything to say about phoenix east aviation??
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I know that they offer FAA, not any JAA ratings, so if you are going to fly in Europe, there are other flying schools in Florida that offer those ratings. By doing FAA, I think maybe you will pay more money in the long run because you will have to convert.
Join Date: May 2006
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Phoenix have gone really bad down hill.
I've been going to Phoenix east aviation for 2 years. It started out really good, but the last 6 months have been one long slide for them. It startet with them not being able to say no to new students when they were at full capacity, so we could never fly because the plans were completely booked from sunrise till late night. Then a lot of the instructors got hired and so there were no one to fly with, and now finally they installed a new very expensive scheduling system and took the money for it out of the students accounts with telling a single student, and we were unable to get a receipt for the withdrawl.
All in all, it is a school with very good instructors and a good fleet of C-172s but a bad management.
All in all, it is a school with very good instructors and a good fleet of C-172s but a bad management.
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Heya Meskanew,
Just wondering what the situation is like now in PEA after they bought this new scheduling system? Has it eased any of the problems? I also don't understand how PEA took the funds out of students accounts for this new system... Is there going to be a price difference in the students overall training? I just don't beleive they can make the students foot the bill for this!
"Then a lot of the instructors got hired and so there were no one to fly with" Whats this about?
Just wondering what the situation is like now in PEA after they bought this new scheduling system? Has it eased any of the problems? I also don't understand how PEA took the funds out of students accounts for this new system... Is there going to be a price difference in the students overall training? I just don't beleive they can make the students foot the bill for this!
"Then a lot of the instructors got hired and so there were no one to fly with" Whats this about?
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Hey Rick
I should say I'm no longer at the school. There were a lot of problems with the new scheduling system when it was first installed but it is slowly getting better. The system is financed by taking an initial payment of $55 and then $25 a month from each student, the first payment was taken with any students knowing about it, and it took them 2 weeks to inform the student what was going on.
We didn't believe they could foot us the bill, but they did.
The school does not have enough instructors, especially multi-engine instructors. But the instructors they have are very good.
I hear from other flight schools in the area that a lot of students are considering leaving Phoenix East.
I should say I'm no longer at the school. There were a lot of problems with the new scheduling system when it was first installed but it is slowly getting better. The system is financed by taking an initial payment of $55 and then $25 a month from each student, the first payment was taken with any students knowing about it, and it took them 2 weeks to inform the student what was going on.
We didn't believe they could foot us the bill, but they did.
The school does not have enough instructors, especially multi-engine instructors. But the instructors they have are very good.
I hear from other flight schools in the area that a lot of students are considering leaving Phoenix East.
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Originally Posted by kerrinator
NIGEYBOY
It is so easy to come on here and slag off a school without going into detail. If you have a legitimate gripe then post it. Just calling them a bunch of cowboys without facts is unhelpful and damaging.
It is so easy to come on here and slag off a school without going into detail. If you have a legitimate gripe then post it. Just calling them a bunch of cowboys without facts is unhelpful and damaging.
This is going to be a quick one:
Damaging they
are- to their students. Why don't you explain to me why 98% of the students in that school are foreigners???? I will tell you why; Because they can't change schools without loosing their J1 visa. Meaning that PEA have got their students grabbed by the balls. If that school was any good don't you think it would at least have a couple of American students??
A lot of students, including my self got ripped off, many times while at that school. I lost a hell of a lot of money because of them.
Ps. On my next post, Chapter 2! I will go more in detail,explaining exactly what a bunch of P
S they are.[/QUOTE]Ok, 85% of all statistics are made up on the spot, There are plenty of American students and instructors, Yes, the school controls the J1 ...just like every other school. You know this from the start. They are not perfect, I don't know one that is? If the school was that bad why would they have so many international student? wouldn't they all leave? Do you think the FAA would continue to allow to issue them? who did you take your complaints to? what action did you take?
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Heya guys. Im heading over to PEA in September to start my training. My best mate is over there training already. I don't think he would have recommended the school to me if it was ****e! I can't wait to go over and start my training there. The staff have been great so far. I don't think foreign students would bother heading over to Florida, taking out huge loans, if the school was terrible. 
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I'm at PEA at the minute. Me and my mate did Private, Instrument and Commercial in 6 months. It's true that it will cost more than they say, no matter how good you are! I'm banking on about $8k/20% more than they said and I'm only responsible for about $500 of that!! Damn localisers! There's a number of reasons for this (PM me) but I'm assured it's pretty much the case with any school in the USA.
Aside from the extra expense there's not much I personally can complain about. There's only 1 complex single which is a pain if you want to do single commercial and might make people think twice. It's also common to wait 4 or 5 days for a stage check. Just don't fail them (see paragraph 1!
)!!
The 172's are excellent, I've had 2 flights cancelled, one a broken seatbelt, one a mag dropping 200. The Arrow is old! There seems to be enough Senecas at the moment and a friend has done multi private and multi commercial in 2 months.
Basically from what I have experienced is that if you work hard, annoy your instructor by demanding to fly everyday (4 lessons in one day is my best), and keep your head down you will be able to minimise problems that do arise. Besides, WHEN the Arrow breaks down, you can just enjoy the sun by the pool and study for your ATPL's, you're pretty much useless as a European pilot until they're done anyway.......right??!
I haven't dealt with any of the 'important' staff as I keep my head down so I couldn't comment really. I have heard mixed reports, mainly bad but that's because good stuff probably doesn't make as good gossip.
My instructor is excellent, most are very good, a few aren't. Same as everywhere I would have thought?? I've done RAF EFT so that helped a fair bit and yes you can tell the difference between the quality of instruction but even from the start of Private my instructor insisted on Commercial standards. The only areas where I feel the syllabus doesn't teach you enough is during Instruments and the cross country part in particular. Not helped by a lack of IMC in Florida! Fortunately I ask a lot of questions when I feel there is a gap in my training.
Don't just turn up here though. You have to come and see the place and talk to people. Theres a lot of opinions around. Some very happy. Some very unhappy! Expect to have to play the system a bit, make sure you get an instructor you're comfortable with and you get on with (mine slept through half my commercial), and make sure you demand to fly, chase up stage checks etc. Even though the school does seem to be just after your money (they are a business) they do help you out when you ask politely. Wearing uniform and looking professional also probably helps, as do basic 'people' skills (there's a few t o s s e r s)!
They're my thoughts on the place! I hope they were constructive. My other option was to go to Oxford and I still think I made the right choice, this way is just a bit more of a faff.
Aside from the extra expense there's not much I personally can complain about. There's only 1 complex single which is a pain if you want to do single commercial and might make people think twice. It's also common to wait 4 or 5 days for a stage check. Just don't fail them (see paragraph 1!
)!!The 172's are excellent, I've had 2 flights cancelled, one a broken seatbelt, one a mag dropping 200. The Arrow is old! There seems to be enough Senecas at the moment and a friend has done multi private and multi commercial in 2 months.
Basically from what I have experienced is that if you work hard, annoy your instructor by demanding to fly everyday (4 lessons in one day is my best), and keep your head down you will be able to minimise problems that do arise. Besides, WHEN the Arrow breaks down, you can just enjoy the sun by the pool and study for your ATPL's, you're pretty much useless as a European pilot until they're done anyway.......right??!
I haven't dealt with any of the 'important' staff as I keep my head down so I couldn't comment really. I have heard mixed reports, mainly bad but that's because good stuff probably doesn't make as good gossip.
My instructor is excellent, most are very good, a few aren't. Same as everywhere I would have thought?? I've done RAF EFT so that helped a fair bit and yes you can tell the difference between the quality of instruction but even from the start of Private my instructor insisted on Commercial standards. The only areas where I feel the syllabus doesn't teach you enough is during Instruments and the cross country part in particular. Not helped by a lack of IMC in Florida! Fortunately I ask a lot of questions when I feel there is a gap in my training.
Don't just turn up here though. You have to come and see the place and talk to people. Theres a lot of opinions around. Some very happy. Some very unhappy! Expect to have to play the system a bit, make sure you get an instructor you're comfortable with and you get on with (mine slept through half my commercial), and make sure you demand to fly, chase up stage checks etc. Even though the school does seem to be just after your money (they are a business) they do help you out when you ask politely. Wearing uniform and looking professional also probably helps, as do basic 'people' skills (there's a few t o s s e r s)!
They're my thoughts on the place! I hope they were constructive. My other option was to go to Oxford and I still think I made the right choice, this way is just a bit more of a faff.
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Hi!
I'm going to attend PEA's courses at October....Does anybody attend PEA and can tell something about them????(bad and good)
I visited PEA and it looks ok...
Let me know something!
Thanx AUS
I'm going to attend PEA's courses at October....Does anybody attend PEA and can tell something about them????(bad and good)
I visited PEA and it looks ok...
Let me know something!
Thanx AUS
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Hi i would like some opinions for that school....
it sounds very good and professional...is there any x student here that i can ask him some questions
regards
it sounds very good and professional...is there any x student here that i can ask him some questions
regards
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I have read all the posts in this topic and I'm little interested about 1400 flight hours during the ATPL course.
The price seems good but you say that it's going to increase during the time.
So, altough I will pay a little more more, do you know if I will got all 1400 flight hours in an acceptable price?
Thanks very much
The price seems good but you say that it's going to increase during the time.
So, altough I will pay a little more more, do you know if I will got all 1400 flight hours in an acceptable price?
Thanks very much