OAT (Oxford) - the thread, reborn (Part XXVII)!
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Robbed 60 Grand, thank you for replying. I have a queston for you tho, why would you not want an Oxford recomendation?
Surely someone with as much debt as you, and no airline employment thus far, needs all the help they can get?
Just a thought
dlav
Surely someone with as much debt as you, and no airline employment thus far, needs all the help they can get?
Just a thought
dlav
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Dlav,
Not sure where you got that idea from, of course I would like a recommendation from OAT, I'd love one, but the whole point of my original post is that I cant get one. Despite doing pretty well on the APP course OAT's recommendation board wont put me forward for anything.
Rob'd
Not sure where you got that idea from, of course I would like a recommendation from OAT, I'd love one, but the whole point of my original post is that I cant get one. Despite doing pretty well on the APP course OAT's recommendation board wont put me forward for anything.
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I was in a similar situation to you after graduating from OAT, All I can say is just keep going and it will happen, you have just got to put your self about and keep motivated..
To cut along story short I've managed to gain employment through my own initiative to a large Irish airline where you have to pay for your own type rating. A job is a job and it’s a very good one at the end of the day.
Just to add more weight to your topic I noticed on the OAT website that they either have their facts very wrong or they are simply not telling the truth. The comments from Mike G annoyed me slightly.
http://www.oxfordaviation.net/Forum/...&TOPIC_ID=3055
Being one of the said '6' that has been employed by said Irish airline, I can confirm that OAT (and GECAT for that fact) has nothing to do with Ryanair recruitment and I received no such recommendation to GECAT.
I got the Job myself by applying to Ryanair, going to Ryanair’s sim assessment (not GECATS) and passing it.
Robbed PM me if you want more info…
Fast & Fat
I was in a similar situation to you after graduating from OAT, All I can say is just keep going and it will happen, you have just got to put your self about and keep motivated..
To cut along story short I've managed to gain employment through my own initiative to a large Irish airline where you have to pay for your own type rating. A job is a job and it’s a very good one at the end of the day.
Just to add more weight to your topic I noticed on the OAT website that they either have their facts very wrong or they are simply not telling the truth. The comments from Mike G annoyed me slightly.
http://www.oxfordaviation.net/Forum/...&TOPIC_ID=3055
Being one of the said '6' that has been employed by said Irish airline, I can confirm that OAT (and GECAT for that fact) has nothing to do with Ryanair recruitment and I received no such recommendation to GECAT.
I got the Job myself by applying to Ryanair, going to Ryanair’s sim assessment (not GECATS) and passing it.
Robbed PM me if you want more info…
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from dlav's post
''Surely someone with as much debt as you, and no airline employment thus far, needs all the help they can get?
Just a thought
dlav''
I attended a Waypoint open day ( not saying when ) , and someone asked ''the speaker'' if Oxford would assist any waypoint students, in helping them finding a job. The reply was , ''The employment department was funded by APP students and not any money from the waypoint scheme/training program was used/allocated to the ''employment'' department. So my point is, al you integrated students should at least have some form of help, when you have graduated, even if it is just a phone call from Oxford once a month, not you phoning them they phoning you.To give you a little bit of support and may be some phone numbers. WHY because you have paid them for it. Because that APP funded department is one of their biggest marketing ''hypes''.
Just a thought
GgW
''Surely someone with as much debt as you, and no airline employment thus far, needs all the help they can get?
Just a thought
dlav''
I attended a Waypoint open day ( not saying when ) , and someone asked ''the speaker'' if Oxford would assist any waypoint students, in helping them finding a job. The reply was , ''The employment department was funded by APP students and not any money from the waypoint scheme/training program was used/allocated to the ''employment'' department. So my point is, al you integrated students should at least have some form of help, when you have graduated, even if it is just a phone call from Oxford once a month, not you phoning them they phoning you.To give you a little bit of support and may be some phone numbers. WHY because you have paid them for it. Because that APP funded department is one of their biggest marketing ''hypes''.
Just a thought
GgW
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Once again thanks for replying.
I guess I misinterpreted the above phrase wrong then. When I read that sentence originally it looked as if you were saying you didn't want a recomendation. My bad.
So why protect your identity? It is now in OATs best interest (and reputation) to help you find employment, as your post will have no doubt, caused a few concerns for potential OAT customers and APP aplicants.
Ggw - Of course he deserves career services! Thats my point, if he protects his identity, then how is OAT ever to know who he is, to offer such services?
I am not going to be too specific… to protect my identity (just in case they ever do feel the need to give me one of their valued recommendations, I won’t hold my breath LOL!!!)
So why protect your identity? It is now in OATs best interest (and reputation) to help you find employment, as your post will have no doubt, caused a few concerns for potential OAT customers and APP aplicants.
Ggw - Of course he deserves career services! Thats my point, if he protects his identity, then how is OAT ever to know who he is, to offer such services?
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Just to spell it out to OAT.... (who's staff take great interest in this thread)
To correct their Training advisor
My type rating was not at GECAT and ryanair do not use GECAT for any type ratings.
I passed my sim assessment thanks to paying for 2 hours in a real 737 sim.
If they did recommend me to GECAT its the 1st I heard of it.
This shows Mike Langley's (Director - Careers & Employment Services) true colours.
all comments reffer to this link
http://www.oxfordaviation.net/Forum/...age=2&ARCHIVE=
Fast & fat
To correct their Training advisor
My type rating was not at GECAT and ryanair do not use GECAT for any type ratings.
I passed my sim assessment thanks to paying for 2 hours in a real 737 sim.
If they did recommend me to GECAT its the 1st I heard of it.
This shows Mike Langley's (Director - Careers & Employment Services) true colours.
all comments reffer to this link
http://www.oxfordaviation.net/Forum/...age=2&ARCHIVE=
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Ggw - Of course he deserves career services! Thats my point, if he protects his identity, then how is OAT ever to know who he is, to offer such services?
or are you saying that one has to kick up a fuss to get a OAT recommendation after spending somewhere in the region of 80K!
caused a few concerns for potential OAT customers and APP aplicants
Oh well phase 4 ctc is looming and stage 3 for the flybe scheme.lets hope one comes through for me then i won't have to go anywhere near the likes of OAT.
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Sorry for the cross forum debate
I want to make something clear..
OAT as a flight training school is an exceptionaly professional set up, and from my experiences they make it very easy to get through a difficult course.
as Mike G says on the OAT website, It did help that I received good professional training, (but who is he to say that you could not get that anywhere else for cheaper).
So if this is the case with my professional training recieved at OAT, why did they not see fit to recommend me to any of their 'contacts'? As this is the reason why you pay the 'OAT Premium'
Fats & fat
OAT as a flight training school is an exceptionaly professional set up, and from my experiences they make it very easy to get through a difficult course.
as Mike G says on the OAT website, It did help that I received good professional training, (but who is he to say that you could not get that anywhere else for cheaper).
So if this is the case with my professional training recieved at OAT, why did they not see fit to recommend me to any of their 'contacts'? As this is the reason why you pay the 'OAT Premium'
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No, of course thats not what I am saying.
Im well aware he is an APP graduate, all I am saying is that he should make himself more known to the careers team instead of making posts on PPRUNE trying to further his cause.
Rob'd has spent ALOT of cash on his training, and deserves a little career support which he is clearly not recieving.
Appologies for any confusion caused.
Good luck with CTC AND flybe
dlav
Im well aware he is an APP graduate, all I am saying is that he should make himself more known to the careers team instead of making posts on PPRUNE trying to further his cause.
Rob'd has spent ALOT of cash on his training, and deserves a little career support which he is clearly not recieving.
Appologies for any confusion caused.
Good luck with CTC AND flybe
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Robbed_60Grand,
What a good post and you certainly do not need to justify it. It bought back memories of being scrapped myself and it will also read true to many, many of my associates who attended during the same period.
Ahhhh! So OAT still lie about their placement stats! What a surprise; must fill those seats...!
All of my class found jobs as a result of our own determination; no one had a recommendation. However, just like the quote above, as soon as OAT got wind about some of us gaining employment, they claimed on their web site that the job had come through them..! They knowingly lied and took the credit for our hard work. These were libelous claims with the sole intention to improve their marketing information. OAT had nothing to do with our success.
I would imagine that at least 20% of those placement figures are falsely credited to OAT.
Nothing changes.
What a good post and you certainly do not need to justify it. It bought back memories of being scrapped myself and it will also read true to many, many of my associates who attended during the same period.
Being one of the said '6' that has been employed by said Irish airline, I can confirm that OAT (and GECAT for that fact) has nothing to do with Ryanair recruitment and I received no such recommendation to GECAT.
All of my class found jobs as a result of our own determination; no one had a recommendation. However, just like the quote above, as soon as OAT got wind about some of us gaining employment, they claimed on their web site that the job had come through them..! They knowingly lied and took the credit for our hard work. These were libelous claims with the sole intention to improve their marketing information. OAT had nothing to do with our success.
I would imagine that at least 20% of those placement figures are falsely credited to OAT.
Nothing changes.
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To all OAT Waypoint Students
Hi i'm just trying to get in touch with any OAT waypoint students that have completed this course in the last year. I would just like some information. Please PM me
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A Singaporean
Hiya, i have some questions with regards to the 2days assesment test. Is it really tough? Does oxford accept students from other countries like Singapore?
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KMBTEO,
I wouldnt worry too much about the tests that all these schools are in to. I personnally think that its all greatly overrated hype and nonsense, and proves nothing! Though some airlines are in to it too, you have got to remember the cookie crumbles both ways!
Let me explain, a friend of mine went to CTC for thier Airline Qualification Course and falied the tests to an extent they told them to never reapply i.e in thier eyes he had no 'aptitude'. Now, said person had all the licences and 1000 hours plus instructing,( you need these to even apply!) but no supposed 'aptitude' for flying! hhmm Said person now flying quite happily for a TP operator. Good going seeing as they dont have any 'aptitude for it!
It works the other way too, some wizz kid might breeze the tests but have zero ability in flying!!
Moral of the story. The tests are all flash trendy recruitmet/ selection hype.
Appologies for the slight thread drift!!! Just my thoughts
Cheers
expedite
I wouldnt worry too much about the tests that all these schools are in to. I personnally think that its all greatly overrated hype and nonsense, and proves nothing! Though some airlines are in to it too, you have got to remember the cookie crumbles both ways!
Let me explain, a friend of mine went to CTC for thier Airline Qualification Course and falied the tests to an extent they told them to never reapply i.e in thier eyes he had no 'aptitude'. Now, said person had all the licences and 1000 hours plus instructing,( you need these to even apply!) but no supposed 'aptitude' for flying! hhmm Said person now flying quite happily for a TP operator. Good going seeing as they dont have any 'aptitude for it!
It works the other way too, some wizz kid might breeze the tests but have zero ability in flying!!
Moral of the story. The tests are all flash trendy recruitmet/ selection hype.
Appologies for the slight thread drift!!! Just my thoughts
Cheers
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Robbed_60Grand,
What a good post and you certainly do not need to justify it. It bought back memories of being scrapped myself and it will also read true to many, many of my associates who attended during the same period.
Ahhhh! So OAT still lie about their placement stats! What a surprise; must fill those seats...!
All of my class found jobs as a result of our own determination; no one had a recommendation. However, just like the quote above, as soon as OAT got wind about some of us gaining employment, they claimed on their web site that the job had come through them..! They knowingly lied and took the credit for our hard work. These were libelous claims with the sole intention to improve their marketing information. OAT had nothing to do with our success.
I would imagine that at least 20% of those placement figures are falsely credited to OAT.
Nothing changes.
What a good post and you certainly do not need to justify it. It bought back memories of being scrapped myself and it will also read true to many, many of my associates who attended during the same period.
Ahhhh! So OAT still lie about their placement stats! What a surprise; must fill those seats...!
All of my class found jobs as a result of our own determination; no one had a recommendation. However, just like the quote above, as soon as OAT got wind about some of us gaining employment, they claimed on their web site that the job had come through them..! They knowingly lied and took the credit for our hard work. These were libelous claims with the sole intention to improve their marketing information. OAT had nothing to do with our success.
I would imagine that at least 20% of those placement figures are falsely credited to OAT.
Nothing changes.
"The great majority of these were as a direct result of placement facilitation through OAT; but some were also achieved through graduate efforts themselves."
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Oxford vs Jerez
Hi everybody!
As I heard those are the top aviation schools in Europe. Does anyone know who have better employment stadistics?
I´ve been in Jerez, visiting the school and It looks pretty nice. They gave me an appointment to do the skills assessments on the 10th of april! That talks a lot about the school. But I also want to visit visit Oxford now, and do the skills assessments. But before I want to brush up on my physics and maths, so It would be very helpful if someone who have already done the OAT skills assessments, could comment about what kind of test they do, and what kind of physics and maths they ask for.
Thanks a lot!!
As I heard those are the top aviation schools in Europe. Does anyone know who have better employment stadistics?
I´ve been in Jerez, visiting the school and It looks pretty nice. They gave me an appointment to do the skills assessments on the 10th of april! That talks a lot about the school. But I also want to visit visit Oxford now, and do the skills assessments. But before I want to brush up on my physics and maths, so It would be very helpful if someone who have already done the OAT skills assessments, could comment about what kind of test they do, and what kind of physics and maths they ask for.
Thanks a lot!!
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after achieving your cpl/me/IR, you also need to achieve your mcc, that is mandatory, the joc is optional. both mcc and joc are jet training.
talking of jet orientation, cabair does whats called a jet appreciation course, is this just there way of wording a jet orientation course differently or is it slightly different?
talking of jet orientation, cabair does whats called a jet appreciation course, is this just there way of wording a jet orientation course differently or is it slightly different?