Wannabe a pilot! (And I'm too damn lazy to do a search)

[Lucifer]

Fatlazypilot:
Read this: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=244158
Low cost routes to training are not wise if you plan to fly commercially in a jet in a minimum of hours. Your green card is equally of little use without a degree in the US.

Roll_over:
Sounds like a great plan. Just be sure you are doing aero eng for the right reasons. It is hard, not entirely related to flying all the time, and no necessary for trying to get the job in the end. If you are better or more interested in academically studying something else, then put that top of your list for uni.

[fatlazypilot]

Originally Posted by Lucifer

Fatlazypilot:
Read this: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=244158
Low cost routes to training are not wise if you plan to fly commercially in a jet in a minimum of hours. Your green card is equally of little use without a degree in the US.

Flying in the U.S. has never even crossed my mind... Will that american 2 year degree help any at the european carrier? The only reason im going modular and low cost is because im too scared too sign for a 75000 dollar loan. If i go modular I can pay for these things step by step, but still within 10-12 months.

[scroggs]

There is a vast amount of information here, most of it very easily accessible with a little bit of observation, persistence, work and thought. Professional Pilots need initiative and intelligence; I wonder if you can deploy either of those qualities to your search?

Scroggs

[obi-nu]

PPL - Check. Where do I go from here?!

Hi all,

Ive just signed up to the forum (as i've just completed my JAA PPL - passed tuesday! and feel it about time - been an 'observer' for some years ).

I am unsure of the best route/ next step to take towards a possible career as a pilot? Should i go to the states and hour build? gain IR rating here in the uk or there - if there which?? join a CPL or ATPL course? scholarship? or wait? etc etc..

I have no idea which direction i should go? (i do still need to get my class one before anyone asks!)

Im currently 24 and my day job is as an aircraft technical service engineer - did a degree in aircraft engineering prior to this. Unfortunately i also have a morgage to pay!! Can any of you experienced guys please help me decide?!

[mcgoo]

start here:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131649

[AlphaMale]

Plenty of topics on this ... have you got a night rating yet?

If you're going to go Itegrated they will let you off with 20 hours as you have the PPL, But I hear 0-fATPL prefer zero hour pilots with no bad habbits and it's a clean sheet to work from.

I am still saving for my 0-fATPL ....already revising my PPL/ATPL exams now so I'll find it easier when the time comes.

Good luck and well done on the PPL

Safe landings

Andrew

[UrlocalAZn]

Guy needs HELP!!!

Hey guys, Im only 14yrs old but I already know that I wanna become an airline pilot. Ive been dreaming about becoming one since I was six. Theres a problem though; I live in New Zealand and they arent many choices as to how to become pilots. There are plenty of flying schools here but only one university offering a degree in aviation. I dont know if flying schools are the way to go because Ive read somewhere that you have to have a degree to have an airline pilot job. My parents say that it will be a waste of time but I dont want to give up on my dreams. Is there anybody out there that can offer me with some help??? cheers.

[roll_over]

Originally Posted by AlphaMale

But I hear 0-fATPL prefer zero hour pilots with no bad habbits and it's a clean sheet to work from.

I would have thought they would have prefered, you have experience and you have actually showed some initiative in getting a head start?

[Re-Heat]

Originally Posted by roll_over

I would have thought they would have prefered, you have experience and you have actually showed some initiative in getting a head start?

Yes, to some extent, but hours of unstructured flying outside of a training regime can generate bad habits that have to be unlearnt at a later stage.

[AlphaMale]

Originally Posted by roll_over

I would have thought they would have prefered, you have experience and you have actually showed some initiative in getting a head start?

... Keep reading the forum.

And then click on the Aviation Schools. I have read a few people on here have over done the hours and not got accepted for having too many hours. I think one school wanted less than 60 hours.

So if it takes you around 55 hours to get your PPL in sunny UK and you have to wait for another 18 months before you have the finances to enroll on the Integrated course. You need to flt 12 hours in that first 12 months after passing your licence (meaning you are up to 67 hours and you haven't flown for last 6 months before getting on the first day at the school). At which point OAT/FTE/CTC or whoever else need to iron out the bad habits you have picked up from your PPL instructor and the bad habits you picked up while flying over the 12 hours to keep your PPL current.

And one point the integrated course points out to a future airline who wants to hire you is that you learnt to go from 0 to 250 hours to Airline Pilot level. Meaning you can learn a hell of a lot in a short time.

If it takes you 4 years to get to the same standard as an Ab-Inito student why should the airline choose you?

However if you can get in with a current PPL less than 60 hours on your log then they will give you 20 hours less tuition.

Totally different subject but I was a water sking instructor for a few years and I'd get people who 'thought' they could ski and were full of bad habits which they didn't give up without a fight. Learning the right way first time around will be cheaper and better for yourself.

Keep reading buddy.

Andrew

[obi-nu]

Originally Posted by AlphaMale

So if it takes you around 55 hours to get your PPL in sunny UK and you have to wait for another 18 months before you have the finances to enroll on the Integrated course. You need to flt 12 hours in that first 12 months after passing your licence (meaning you are up to 67 hours and you haven't flown for last 6 months before getting on the first day at the school). At which point OAT/FTE/CTC or whoever else need to iron out the bad habits you have picked up from your PPL instructor and the bad habits you picked up while flying over the 12 hours to keep your PPL current.

And one point the integrated course points out to a future airline who wants to hire you is that you learnt to go from 0 to 250 hours to Airline Pilot level. Meaning you can learn a hell of a lot in a short time.

If it takes you 4 years to get to the same standard as an Ab-Inito student why should the airline choose you?

However if you can get in with a current PPL less than 60 hours on your log then they will give you 20 hours less tuition.

Thanks for the congrats and info guys... its interesting reading this debate over hours though as i would have thought it would work in your favour if you've started off on your own back too??

After all... how much do you really know after 60 odd hours flying experience?? i've been told you really learn AFTER you qualify and start really flying???

Also im a bit worried about this 'if you completed your PPL in less than 60 hours' business. I completed after 68 hours but i changed instructors (not my fault!) and aircraft (went from PA38 to DA40 half way through therefore i should be approved for FADEC and manual SEP on my licence with no conversion course ness) also because i did it over 2 years... Does it mean i maybe pennalised for this??

Andrew, as i understand you have to complete 12 hours in the 2 year of holding your licence nothing in your first (except 3 take-off and landings every 90 days to continue carrying pax and poss a club restriction of a flight in the last 28 days)?

[early_bird]

Institutes offering the Integrated fATPL approach

Hi guys and gals.

I'm looking for training centres in the UK that offer the Integrated fATPL 'style' of training. Can you list the names and, if possible, web addresses of those that you know of?

Thanks, early bird.

[mcgoo]

You didn't look very hard , try here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131649

[early_bird]

thanks

Thanks. I'll be the first to admit that i did not perform a search. I needed the info quickly and was doing something else at the time.

Cheers.

[rogueflyer01]

CAA doc:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG_FCL_APPROVEDFTOS.PDF

[Airsport2]

BCPL(A)

Not sure if this is the right place or not, I have JAR FCL PPL(A) and night rating and intend to commence IMC asap. I do not want to become an airline pilot but I would like to get a CPL so that I can fly something like a Cessna 206 for cash legally. There used to be a BCPL which I think sounds about right for someone like me. Do I really need to do ATPL exams and and IR just to fly around in a single prop cessna or even a twin prop Seneca and get paid ?

[olli101w]

Entrance Exams - Commercial License

Hi guys,

I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the entrance tests to get onto an intergrated commercial license course? What is involved, How challenging are they, Are they always manditory? Or are they just happy to give a place to anyone who can stump up the money?

Also if anyone could let me know of some good uk flying schools? Is there a site where they are all listed?

Thanks,

Olli

[thebigrussian]

The Long Road To Becomming a Pilot-Which Route Should I take?

Im 16 years old and am dreaming of becomming a pilot. I have learned that it is a long and difficult road till im sitting in a cockpit working for a commercial airline. There are so many options to take and i cant seem to figure out which is the best one...Right now I think the best thing is it go to a college with a good aviation program. I have been looking at Western Michigan University and it seems to have a good aviation program...how good is it? Is this a good college? This means that i will wait till college to start flying. IS this wrong? Should i start flying right away or wait till college? Also, what are some other good colleges with good aviation programs? Any advice would be welcoming...

[matt_hooks]

Not entirely sure about the training system in the US, but the more hours you can get the better. So beg, borrow or steal (ok, don't steal, a criminal record isn't good for pilots!) the money to fly as much as you can. If it's not possible to get flying, then take to hanging around your local GA airfield. Try and get work behind the desk of a flying school, or just offer to help out around. That way you'll be immersed in the environment and learn a lot about flying, and possibly make some useful contacts. Also you might get the odd back seat or even a front seat if they are generous.

The time spent around the airfield should also help you to learn RT procedures etc.

Being a pilot requires determination, skill, passion and often a bit of luck, and that's BEFORE you ever get to fly for the airlines. All and any flying/aviation experience, even if it's just sticking names on boards behind the reception desk and making coffee for the instructors, will be useful. Get to know them and don't be afraid to ask them questions. They were all where you are now at some time and most of them will bend over backwards to help you out!

Maybe someone from the US can give you some more specific detail about the actual training requirements.

Good luck

[Ian_Wannabe]

Wheres that commercial fountain of knowledge....

Hi there - Now I realise I will be repeating a lot of questions already posted on here but please dont shoot me down straight away! I've been reading through a lot of posts from the past but Im so free of knowledge on this subject that I thought it best to ask directly so that I have solid answers specific to my questions.....


Right - I'm 22yrs old and after finishing my aviation course at 'x' location Im going to be making some money that I intend to use to initiate the process of commercial training. So for this reason I've recently been looking around for information on starting ground school for the commercial license, however I’m a complete newbie to the commercial workings and so I'm in need of some direction.

I currently have 90hrs on my PPL and I'd like to start looking into getting the theory side of the CPL underway whilst I work to fund the flying side of training but I have a few questions.
If i was to take out a distance learning course is there a certain time frame between sitting the first exam and actually commencing practical flying training? Or does it work whereby once you pass all of the exams at 75%/80% are they valid indefinitely? If not, how long do you get?

I’m also unaware of the difference between the ATPL and CPL theory as I was under the impression that the ATPL consisted of more in depth knowledge i.e being the highest license you could obtain - However I've been reading some articles on here and I understand you can take your ATPL theory before the CPL? How does the general structure of study work?

What is the difference between modular and integrated? I realise they are a different approach whereby modular is taken bit by bit however what are the general pros and cons regarding each approach?

Basically, in an ideal world I would like to purchase the distance learning package from Bristol, OXford, London etc and complete this so that I have the theory of the commercial license out of the way and in the mean time I would work on getting my night rating and building flying experience so that I can continue gaining licenses.... Is this a feasible approach??

Many thanks for your time in answering my questions I realise there is a lot but there are so many aspects to cover and familiarize myself with so that I can bring together some sort of plan so that I don’t waste any time!

Thanks for your time I really do appreciate it

Ian