Wannabe a pilot! (And I'm too damn lazy to do a search)
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Jonno,
In addition cop a butchers at this: http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1591
And I recommend getting a copy of this: http://www.flightstore.co.uk/the_gui...62.dept_l3.63/
In addition cop a butchers at this: http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1591
And I recommend getting a copy of this: http://www.flightstore.co.uk/the_gui...62.dept_l3.63/
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My cupboard door? 
The 346 looks OK, but the 343 (particularly with C2 motors) is a bit weedy both in looks and performance.
B2N2 another Virgin aeroplane (the SpaceShipOne, not the Global Express)!
You could have posted a pictue of it in the correct livery, though.
Scroggs
The 346 looks OK, but the 343 (particularly with C2 motors) is a bit weedy both in looks and performance.
B2N2 another Virgin aeroplane (the SpaceShipOne, not the Global Express)!
You could have posted a pictue of it in the correct livery, though.Scroggs
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Pah, airlines.
This is much better and a lot more fun.
This is what I had to look at...
This is much better and a lot more fun.
This is what I had to look at...
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After seeing some of reddo's adventures in words and pictures in terms of biz/corporate flying i have to admit i quite like the idea even though i actually never thought of that kind of flying until quite recently...
I guess there is a big flying world out there apart from airlines....
I guess there is a big flying world out there apart from airlines....
I just wish I had a handy photo of a coffee stained, blurry Approach Plate, bouncing around at 0350hrs local time, in poor light, with the Blonde Hostie's motel room number scrawled in the corner. 
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Give me till tomorrow afternoon. By then I will have had several dozen coffees, applied the matchsticks to the eyelids, seen the sunrise at a godawful time of day, and may have several phone numbers that I'll never call.
New Year's party? No. I shall have flown the VS250 from London to Shanghai and I'll have missed all the celebrations!
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New Year's party? No. I shall have flown the VS250 from London to Shanghai and I'll have missed all the celebrations!
Scroggs
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Re: Why do you want to be a pilot?
Well if you have ever spent time in an aircraft stress / design office number crunching through wing stringers designs, you would probably appreciate that it is better to be bored flying aircraft than to be bored with engineering them.
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Re: Becoming a pilot
right the qualifications you will need are
1.first get a class one medical certificate
2.private pilot
3.instrument rating
4.commercial certificate
5.build time so you can move on
6 air transport pilot certificate
then you might want to go on a multi crew course or maybe a type rating
and instead you could do a integrated course which includes all of the above for about £50,000
1.first get a class one medical certificate
2.private pilot
3.instrument rating
4.commercial certificate
5.build time so you can move on
6 air transport pilot certificate
then you might want to go on a multi crew course or maybe a type rating
and instead you could do a integrated course which includes all of the above for about £50,000
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Wannabe a pilot! (merged)
hi, im 17 from the uk doing three a-levels at the moment, then hopefully going on to a BA at uni in london for 3 years, when i come out of uni at 21 i hope to start in becoming a pilot. ive only got like 17 hours in ppl experience on 172's , thats not going to get me very far for sure.
what is the chance that i get sponsorship from an airline ??? i mean i will have very good qualifications.
ive been round OAT and cabair at cranfield, the problem is that its going to be very big debts for me, becuase i will have all my student loans then if i do get a loan for OAT or going modular then its going to become a mountain of debts.
any advice would help
thx very much
what is the chance that i get sponsorship from an airline ??? i mean i will have very good qualifications.
ive been round OAT and cabair at cranfield, the problem is that its going to be very big debts for me, becuase i will have all my student loans then if i do get a loan for OAT or going modular then its going to become a mountain of debts.
any advice would help
thx very much
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Hi,
I'm in a similar situation to yourself, in the lower sixth form and hoping to become a commercial pilot.
I have decided to skip uni because I feel its not something I would not enjoy and i feel i would be mature enough to start my flight training straight after my A Levels. It would also put me in more debt than i could possibly handle. But going to uni is a personal decision.
Having a degree is good for a back-up just in case your lose your medical or even if you get bored with aviation or decide its not something you want to do; you can pursue another career.
Its also useful to have a degree in terms of sponsorships because these schemes want to find individuals who have commitment, maturity and aptitude.
However there are no sponsorships around at the moment, the closest thing you can get is the CTC scheme however that requires you to take out a £60k bond and when you finish your training and start a job the salary is quite a bit lower that the standard direct entry pilot salary. The pass rate for this scheme is about 2%
Oxford and FTE had some airline-backed partial sponsorships in the summer which allowed you to take out an unsecured loan, the overall reduction in the costs was about £5k-ish i believe, so its nothing to hark on about.
You can try for the various scholarships and bursaries offered by the likes of GAPAN and the Air League. GAPAN offer one J N Somers scholarships which funds you from 0-fATPL but it would be incredibly hard to get.
I'm still considering whether to go modular or integrated, both schemes have their positives and negatives. Going modular would reduce the finance side of things heavily, whereas going integrated would (please dont shout at me folks) MOST PROBABLY increase my chances of employment.
I hope that helps you a little, if you have any more questions feel free to PM me as we're in the same boat!
Arpan
I'm in a similar situation to yourself, in the lower sixth form and hoping to become a commercial pilot.
I have decided to skip uni because I feel its not something I would not enjoy and i feel i would be mature enough to start my flight training straight after my A Levels. It would also put me in more debt than i could possibly handle. But going to uni is a personal decision.
Having a degree is good for a back-up just in case your lose your medical or even if you get bored with aviation or decide its not something you want to do; you can pursue another career.
Its also useful to have a degree in terms of sponsorships because these schemes want to find individuals who have commitment, maturity and aptitude.
However there are no sponsorships around at the moment, the closest thing you can get is the CTC scheme however that requires you to take out a £60k bond and when you finish your training and start a job the salary is quite a bit lower that the standard direct entry pilot salary. The pass rate for this scheme is about 2%
Oxford and FTE had some airline-backed partial sponsorships in the summer which allowed you to take out an unsecured loan, the overall reduction in the costs was about £5k-ish i believe, so its nothing to hark on about.
You can try for the various scholarships and bursaries offered by the likes of GAPAN and the Air League. GAPAN offer one J N Somers scholarships which funds you from 0-fATPL but it would be incredibly hard to get.
I'm still considering whether to go modular or integrated, both schemes have their positives and negatives. Going modular would reduce the finance side of things heavily, whereas going integrated would (please dont shout at me folks) MOST PROBABLY increase my chances of employment.
I hope that helps you a little, if you have any more questions feel free to PM me as we're in the same boat!
Arpan
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Re: Advice to become a pilot
hey thx for the reply, so there are no sponserships anymore , damm, man i cant wait to go to uni im going to do geography at either LSE or UCL at london which will be great. lucky thing is i was only 17 in august, so i will just be 18 by the time i start uni so when i come out of uni and ill still be young to start pilot training, if if if i do,
im gonna have like 10k in student loans, then pilot training debts, god why did they make it such a hard job to get into to. im lucky that i have a good background to my life, but i couldnt ask for 70k loan to my parents, as i saw someone else put it , its my dream, not theirs, i mean my education at senior schools got to be like worth 140k, everything is just money money money. who knows maybe after uni i wont want to be a pilot, but i doubt that but its still a possibilty.
anyone want to send me 70k via paypal?
im gonna have like 10k in student loans, then pilot training debts, god why did they make it such a hard job to get into to. im lucky that i have a good background to my life, but i couldnt ask for 70k loan to my parents, as i saw someone else put it , its my dream, not theirs, i mean my education at senior schools got to be like worth 140k, everything is just money money money. who knows maybe after uni i wont want to be a pilot, but i doubt that but its still a possibilty.
anyone want to send me 70k via paypal?
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Re: Advice to become a pilot
Hey
I was in the same boat as you. Yet i decided to go straight into pilot training. Im currently 17 doing A-Levels, passed selection at my choosen intergrated school, and im set to start training end of July, when i will be 18 by just 28days.
I thought long and hard about uni but id spend 3 years of my life doing a course i enjoy but stil have the longing and earning to be sitting in that right hand seat!!
You wont have to start repaying your uni debts until your in employment, yet you will have to start to repay for training loan within 6 months of gaining your fATPL.
Also by starting 3 years later you will be 3 years behind on the seniority list for an airline which will mean 3 years longer to command and 3 years less experiance. But on the other hand you will still be young.
A degree will be a good backup, yet for me personaly the degree i would like to do, is highly speicilise in a field i would work in but it would not be my first choice.
Youve had a look at 2 schools in the UK, which do do part sponerships but you will still have to pay for the training. Also if you dont live up to there expecations you can be chopped.
If i where you id try OAT selection or Cabair or Jerez (which is currently free!!!!) or the GAPAN selection just to see if you have what it takes.
Best of luck any questions PM, the main decision is yours, its all down to you in the long run, you have to look at every angle because its proberly the biggest decison you will have to make and being young makes it that bit harder.
ADWJENK
I was in the same boat as you. Yet i decided to go straight into pilot training. Im currently 17 doing A-Levels, passed selection at my choosen intergrated school, and im set to start training end of July, when i will be 18 by just 28days.
I thought long and hard about uni but id spend 3 years of my life doing a course i enjoy but stil have the longing and earning to be sitting in that right hand seat!!
You wont have to start repaying your uni debts until your in employment, yet you will have to start to repay for training loan within 6 months of gaining your fATPL.
Also by starting 3 years later you will be 3 years behind on the seniority list for an airline which will mean 3 years longer to command and 3 years less experiance. But on the other hand you will still be young.
A degree will be a good backup, yet for me personaly the degree i would like to do, is highly speicilise in a field i would work in but it would not be my first choice.
Youve had a look at 2 schools in the UK, which do do part sponerships but you will still have to pay for the training. Also if you dont live up to there expecations you can be chopped.
If i where you id try OAT selection or Cabair or Jerez (which is currently free!!!!) or the GAPAN selection just to see if you have what it takes.
Best of luck any questions PM, the main decision is yours, its all down to you in the long run, you have to look at every angle because its proberly the biggest decison you will have to make and being young makes it that bit harder.
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Hi,
I was also in the same position as you at this stage last year.
What I ended up doing was finishing my A-Levels, while at the same time finishing off my PPL at my local Flying Club. At that time I also went to Gatwick to do the Class 1 Medical, just to make sure I could go ahead with Commercial Training. As it happened, I ended up going to University for the first Semester to do an Aeronautical Engineering Degree, whilst at the same time applying for any schemes that were going.
As things have worked out, I'm going to be starting in FTE in Jerez at the end of the month. I withdrew from University having only been required to pay the fees up until the point I left, so financially it wasn't as bad as I had anticipated for having a backup just in case.
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
llien
I was also in the same position as you at this stage last year.
What I ended up doing was finishing my A-Levels, while at the same time finishing off my PPL at my local Flying Club. At that time I also went to Gatwick to do the Class 1 Medical, just to make sure I could go ahead with Commercial Training. As it happened, I ended up going to University for the first Semester to do an Aeronautical Engineering Degree, whilst at the same time applying for any schemes that were going.
As things have worked out, I'm going to be starting in FTE in Jerez at the end of the month. I withdrew from University having only been required to pay the fees up until the point I left, so financially it wasn't as bad as I had anticipated for having a backup just in case.
Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.
llien
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Re: Advice to become a pilot
As many have said, the industry has changed since 9/11....so proper sponsorships are a thing of the past...the only proper sponsorship that I know off is the fugly one (air atlantique)....many sponsorships these days are ones where you sign a bond and pay your training fees back once employed as a pilot. Not really sponsorship imo.
When I was 18 (2yrs ago, so not long ago)...I was accepted into uni to do engineering but I decided not to go and continue working and pay for my flying training in a modular context, been doing it for 2 years now, and I predict in the next 2 years I should hopefully have completed my training...in the same time frame as my uni course would taken...and probably have the same amount of debt as I would have incurred at Uni.
I'm not saying dont go to uni, you should for the life time experience and education merits but I chose against it as the debt uni would bring after completion would only delay me further in my flying ambition.
When I was 18 (2yrs ago, so not long ago)...I was accepted into uni to do engineering but I decided not to go and continue working and pay for my flying training in a modular context, been doing it for 2 years now, and I predict in the next 2 years I should hopefully have completed my training...in the same time frame as my uni course would taken...and probably have the same amount of debt as I would have incurred at Uni.
I'm not saying dont go to uni, you should for the life time experience and education merits but I chose against it as the debt uni would bring after completion would only delay me further in my flying ambition.
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