Wannabe a pilot! (And I'm too damn lazy to do a search)
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Re: Advice to become a pilot
I was in a similar situation a few months back, having been accepted at the UCE to do Computer Networks & Security, I decided to defer for a year, basically to get a little life experience, including a trip to Canada. During this period my interest turned back to aviation (lost interest 9/11, up until then being an airline pilot was all I wanted to do) so I decided to look around a couple of FTO's.
I then passed selection at OAT and went onto achieve my Class 1 and am starting AP258 27th Jan
I have left my deferred place at Uni in case all fails, however OAT's assessment has shown that you DO NOT have to go to Uni to become "mature enough" although for some people Uni might help and that knowledge above GCSE level is not necessary although A-Levels are preferred.
Realistically your looking at at least £20k of debt (perhaps even more after living in London) from going to Uni (not sure where you dreamed up £10k from??) By the time I have paid for APP, around £75k including accommodation and food etc + possibility of another £20k type rating another £20k of debt from Uni would be far too much.
So my advice would be if you think Uni really is necessary for you “to mature” and you can afford it then go, but at the end of the day it’s a lot of money to effectively waste (assuming you would want to go into management etc at a later stage) in deciding if being a pilot is what you want to be. I think if your heart is set on aviation, especially becoming an airline pilot, you have to be all or nothing, if you’re not absolutely sure, it’s a lot of money to waste for a non-transferable skill.
I welcome comments or corrections.
Jonathan
I then passed selection at OAT and went onto achieve my Class 1 and am starting AP258 27th Jan
I have left my deferred place at Uni in case all fails, however OAT's assessment has shown that you DO NOT have to go to Uni to become "mature enough" although for some people Uni might help and that knowledge above GCSE level is not necessary although A-Levels are preferred.Realistically your looking at at least £20k of debt (perhaps even more after living in London) from going to Uni (not sure where you dreamed up £10k from??) By the time I have paid for APP, around £75k including accommodation and food etc + possibility of another £20k type rating another £20k of debt from Uni would be far too much.
So my advice would be if you think Uni really is necessary for you “to mature” and you can afford it then go, but at the end of the day it’s a lot of money to effectively waste (assuming you would want to go into management etc at a later stage) in deciding if being a pilot is what you want to be. I think if your heart is set on aviation, especially becoming an airline pilot, you have to be all or nothing, if you’re not absolutely sure, it’s a lot of money to waste for a non-transferable skill.
I welcome comments or corrections.
Jonathan
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thx for everyones replies been very useful,
i am defenitely going to uni for 3 years i am really looking forward to it actually, and my parents will pay most of it and all i need is to cover the cost of tution fees which is like 3k a year i think which i will just get a student loan with low interest to cover it, i know the financial situation because i have a bro and a sis at uni in london.
also i do plan to get a job at uni, also hopefully my parents will pay for me to finish off my ppl next summer.
i will probably decide later in time when i come out of uni, but if i go modular course doesnt it take alot longer to get a atpl , i always thought intergrated was much quicker because its all done in 18months, where as doing it modular you might tend to give up or not work as hard, i dont know really.
all i know is i want to become a pilot after a leave uni, also if i just fly like king airs or some turbo-props for a few years, do i need atpl? my flying knowledge has lapsed a bit in the past year, ive been concentrating on unis to much.
i am defenitely going to uni for 3 years i am really looking forward to it actually, and my parents will pay most of it and all i need is to cover the cost of tution fees which is like 3k a year i think which i will just get a student loan with low interest to cover it, i know the financial situation because i have a bro and a sis at uni in london.
also i do plan to get a job at uni, also hopefully my parents will pay for me to finish off my ppl next summer.
i will probably decide later in time when i come out of uni, but if i go modular course doesnt it take alot longer to get a atpl , i always thought intergrated was much quicker because its all done in 18months, where as doing it modular you might tend to give up or not work as hard, i dont know really.
all i know is i want to become a pilot after a leave uni, also if i just fly like king airs or some turbo-props for a few years, do i need atpl? my flying knowledge has lapsed a bit in the past year, ive been concentrating on unis to much.
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lockton9334 I don't mean to be a pessimist....but £75K is a H
LL of a lot of money to borrow, even at your age. Also you are basing everything on passing first time, PPL, ATPL's, CPL, ME and IR!! That is a pretty tall order, not impossible but very hard.
The IR pass rate alone, is arround 1 in 3 first time pass, the resit is going to hit you for £1000. I got lucky, I passed mine 1st time.
I have no reason to believe that going intergrated will help your chances of getting a job, it's all down to marketing.
As somebody who spent most of his working life selling almost every make of car I think I might know a little bit about marketing a product.
It helps to have a realistic ammount of reserve money or finance just in case.
Modular or Intergrated it all costs lots of money, whatever you decide to do good luck.
FF
Nevs, just to let you know, I did my Modular in 2 years. I had 0 flight hours and worked part time during my Distance Learning.
LL of a lot of money to borrow, even at your age. Also you are basing everything on passing first time, PPL, ATPL's, CPL, ME and IR!! That is a pretty tall order, not impossible but very hard. The IR pass rate alone, is arround 1 in 3 first time pass, the resit is going to hit you for £1000. I got lucky, I passed mine 1st time.
I have no reason to believe that going intergrated will help your chances of getting a job, it's all down to marketing.
As somebody who spent most of his working life selling almost every make of car I think I might know a little bit about marketing a product.
It helps to have a realistic ammount of reserve money or finance just in case.
Modular or Intergrated it all costs lots of money, whatever you decide to do good luck.
FF
Nevs, just to let you know, I did my Modular in 2 years. I had 0 flight hours and worked part time during my Distance Learning.
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Just for Frank's information, I have not had to borrow the full amount, just some, and it is through re-mortgage not a bank loan. With that amount, I have allowed £5k contingency. (Won't be doing PPL as going integrated at OAT, although have paid for, so far, 42hrs in Tomahawk out of Nottingham)
As for whether integrated helps you secure a job easier is debatable but perhaps a little research on hours required for Interview with, for example, BA Citiexpress - correct me if I'm wrong but you required 1000hrs with 50 in the last 12 Months on Modular, just 50hrs in the last 12 months if graduate from approved integrated course. It’s debatable in the fact that the extra expense over Modular is probably more than it would cost to hour build. Anyway, that is up to the individual involved and the finance available - lets not turn this into a Mod v Int debate - been there..done that!
Jonathan
As for whether integrated helps you secure a job easier is debatable but perhaps a little research on hours required for Interview with, for example, BA Citiexpress - correct me if I'm wrong but you required 1000hrs with 50 in the last 12 Months on Modular, just 50hrs in the last 12 months if graduate from approved integrated course. It’s debatable in the fact that the extra expense over Modular is probably more than it would cost to hour build. Anyway, that is up to the individual involved and the finance available - lets not turn this into a Mod v Int debate - been there..done that!
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Originally Posted by Damienmk
JB,
The ATPL exams are valid for 3 years after that date of your final exam pass by which time you must have built up sufficient time for your ATPL to become unfrozen. And for your ATPL to become unfrozen, you need a valid IR and ME Rating. Sound confusing? It does to me too!!!
DMK
The ATPL exams are valid for 3 years after that date of your final exam pass by which time you must have built up sufficient time for your ATPL to become unfrozen. And for your ATPL to become unfrozen, you need a valid IR and ME Rating. Sound confusing? It does to me too!!!
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Thats correct type1.......I think the 3 year rule also applies to the issue of the CPL.
It'd be a bit of a fightening prospect if after your last ATPL exam pass you only had 3 years to get 1500 hrs......500 of much must be in a multi-engined, multi-crewed aircraft, 100 hrs PIC at night etc,etc!!
It'd be a bit of a fightening prospect if after your last ATPL exam pass you only had 3 years to get 1500 hrs......500 of much must be in a multi-engined, multi-crewed aircraft, 100 hrs PIC at night etc,etc!!
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lockton9334, any proof to back up your information? I have friends who have got jobs with BACityexpress and guess what, they are Modular, with less than 1000 hours.
In fact according to that well known pilots job website, they require 1000 hours if you are not Type Rated. They do however have a deal with Jerez.
Somthing to keep in mind.
In fact according to that well known pilots job website, they require 1000 hours if you are not Type Rated. They do however have a deal with Jerez.
Somthing to keep in mind.
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That sounds a bit more reasonable! I'd be content if i was just getting into a right hand seat in 3 years!
For a matter of interest, how much more is there to the ATPL ground exams compared to the CPL exams? Also, if distant learning, how long should I expect it to take to complete all the exams?
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For a matter of interest, how much more is there to the ATPL ground exams compared to the CPL exams? Also, if distant learning, how long should I expect it to take to complete all the exams?
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Like I said, need a thousand hours if not type rated which you would not be if you had just finished your modular or integrated training as implied within this thread.
Proof:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=188813
(I now notice they have changed their requirements from either 1000hrs, CAA/JAR full-time modular or integrated http://www.bacitiexpressjobs.com/ )
Is this, amongst others, a sign of airlines beginning to see a pilot shortage on "their charts" in the next few years, perhaps paid TR will be coming end of this year....then again, maybe they are starting to wake up a smell the coffee that there really is no difference??
Anyway, enough is enough!
Just out of interest, and not sounding like I'm being rude etc, Frank have you found employment and who with, my FI wants all the info he can get on Modular grads finding employment?
Thanks in advance for your help,
Jonathan
Proof:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=188813
(I now notice they have changed their requirements from either 1000hrs, CAA/JAR full-time modular or integrated http://www.bacitiexpressjobs.com/ )
Is this, amongst others, a sign of airlines beginning to see a pilot shortage on "their charts" in the next few years, perhaps paid TR will be coming end of this year....then again, maybe they are starting to wake up a smell the coffee that there really is no difference??
Anyway, enough is enough!
Just out of interest, and not sounding like I'm being rude etc, Frank have you found employment and who with, my FI wants all the info he can get on Modular grads finding employment?
Thanks in advance for your help,
Jonathan
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hey, last question i need answering is, if i go to the U S of A,............... how much will the equivalent of a ATPL and OAT or Cabair cost in US dollars or if i go modular in the USA?
how much cheaper is the usa than the uk is what i want to know, to get an frozen atpl
how much cheaper is the usa than the uk is what i want to know, to get an frozen atpl
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Johnathan you wrote:
then in a later post you say,
I think you had better start proof reading what you write, I don't see anything about type rating in your first post??????????
And yes you are being rude when you ask...however I have not yet found that first job, I only just finished all my training in December and expect to gain employment sometime this year. Funny that your instuctor wants some info on other students, you don't start at Oxford until later this month. Hell Oxford even do modular now.
I have no interest whether you want to spend nearly double what I did to get that Blue Book, you know it does not mention where you went to school in it. If you really want to go to a good intergrated school. why did you not go to Jerez? I hope everything works out for you, I would not like to remortgage my house, just for my son or daughter could follow a career that there is NO JOB GUARANTEED with it, I would rather put 75K on Red at a Casino.
for example, BA Citiexpress - correct me if I'm wrong but you required 1000hrs with 50 in the last 12 Months on Modular, just 50hrs in the last 12 months if graduate from approved integrated course
Like I said, need a thousand hours if not type rated which you would not be if you had just finished your modular or integrated training as implied within this thread.
And yes you are being rude when you ask...however I have not yet found that first job, I only just finished all my training in December and expect to gain employment sometime this year. Funny that your instuctor wants some info on other students, you don't start at Oxford until later this month. Hell Oxford even do modular now.
I have no interest whether you want to spend nearly double what I did to get that Blue Book, you know it does not mention where you went to school in it. If you really want to go to a good intergrated school. why did you not go to Jerez? I hope everything works out for you, I would not like to remortgage my house, just for my son or daughter could follow a career that there is NO JOB GUARANTEED with it, I would rather put 75K on Red at a Casino.
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Nev's if you go to the USA
PPL you can take your FAA, its got only one written exam, you can then hourbuild as well over there I paid $85 per hour to hour build in a C150.
You only need a ICAO PPL to do you ATPL's etc
My CPL and ME were also done in the USA much cheaper than over here.
I finished my IR over here, it was good fun but the most expensive part. Try
this link to the CAA http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG_FCL_APPROVEDFTOS.PDF
it has all the JAA approved training schools abroad in it. Good luck
Frank
BTW Lockton9334, What the hell does that mean, you p@@@ed me off what do you expect? Grow up son, I will not get into a row with you
PPL you can take your FAA, its got only one written exam, you can then hourbuild as well over there I paid $85 per hour to hour build in a C150.
You only need a ICAO PPL to do you ATPL's etc
My CPL and ME were also done in the USA much cheaper than over here.
I finished my IR over here, it was good fun but the most expensive part. Try
this link to the CAA http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG_FCL_APPROVEDFTOS.PDF
it has all the JAA approved training schools abroad in it. Good luck
Frank
BTW Lockton9334, What the hell does that mean, you p@@@ed me off what do you expect? Grow up son, I will not get into a row with you
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Nevs all my pircing is 2 years old... but
FAA PPL inc Night Rating $5000, 100 Hours hour building $8500.
CPL and ME $4995 and $1995. None of this includes Accom, Exams etc, su say annother $8000 for that total $28490 or arround £16K (at $1.74 per £)
Ground School was £2000, plus exams and accom etc @ £2000, total £4000
Finally IR.... now that did cost arround £15K, with a first time pass.
So the total cost involved was arround £36000.00 Not bad really.
It included some retakes of ATPL's and a bit of overrun on CPL and IR.
If you want to know which schools I went to, PM me as I will not get into another row today.
Frank
FAA PPL inc Night Rating $5000, 100 Hours hour building $8500.
CPL and ME $4995 and $1995. None of this includes Accom, Exams etc, su say annother $8000 for that total $28490 or arround £16K (at $1.74 per £)
Ground School was £2000, plus exams and accom etc @ £2000, total £4000
Finally IR.... now that did cost arround £15K, with a first time pass.
So the total cost involved was arround £36000.00 Not bad really.
It included some retakes of ATPL's and a bit of overrun on CPL and IR.
If you want to know which schools I went to, PM me as I will not get into another row today.
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There are still a couple of sponsorship deals out there.
The atlantic scheme.
And also the highland airways cadetship.
GAPAN have some grants and also the air league also have some grants available.
There is money out for chaps your age and who can be bothered to fill out all the forms
MJ
The atlantic scheme.
And also the highland airways cadetship.
GAPAN have some grants and also the air league also have some grants available.
There is money out for chaps your age and who can be bothered to fill out all the forms
MJ