Maths and Physics knowledge req'd for ATPL and airline flying?
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Are there really that many questions that you have to be a wizz at maths for
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I have to say that before starting groundschool i didn't look at any maths or physics revision stuff at all.I hadn't done either subject since gcse days 10 years ago (and i was no good then) but didn't really struggle all that much.Amazing how quickly the basics come flooding back with the right tuition.
All in all nothing to sweat about!
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All in all nothing to sweat about!
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I finished my ATPLs in September last year and I'm with Piltdown Man - you shouldn't worry about the mathematical content of the exams. However, a good standard of English is required to understand what the questions are really asking and hence choose the right answer.
Much of the material in the ATPL syllabus has been simplified so it can be examined using multiple choice papers. As you will often have to learn and accept the JAR answer to a question, rather than the right one, not having too much background knowledge can actually work in your favour. I have a first class degree in biology and found parts of Human performance hard to accept, and I know a licensed engineer who failed the systems exam!
The bottom line is that if you work hard you'll get through!
Good luck,
Al
Much of the material in the ATPL syllabus has been simplified so it can be examined using multiple choice papers. As you will often have to learn and accept the JAR answer to a question, rather than the right one, not having too much background knowledge can actually work in your favour. I have a first class degree in biology and found parts of Human performance hard to accept, and I know a licensed engineer who failed the systems exam!
The bottom line is that if you work hard you'll get through!
Good luck,
Al
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Maths/Physics Knowledge
Hopefully just about to enter groundschool for my CPL/IR and have been swotting up a little in my maths and physics...its been 7 years since I used any of it!!!
However Im keen to know what I should really be paying attention to??
It is for the APP course at OAT, so any first hand experience would be much appreciated
Many thanks
However Im keen to know what I should really be paying attention to??
It is for the APP course at OAT, so any first hand experience would be much appreciated
Many thanks
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OATS new Maths and Physics prep CD-ROM
Hi all,
Does this new CD-ROM cover what you need to refresh or
(re)learn for the Maths and Physics content on the ATPL subjects?
If not can anyone recommend any other CBT software?
Thanks
OATS MATHS AND PHYSICS CD-ROM LINK
Does this new CD-ROM cover what you need to refresh or
(re)learn for the Maths and Physics content on the ATPL subjects?
If not can anyone recommend any other CBT software?
Thanks
OATS MATHS AND PHYSICS CD-ROM LINK
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Yeah it covers everything you need for the ATPL course!!
There both really good, im doing A-level physics but still got the CD to go over the basics lol.
Im ok at maths i can do it but im not a supper genius at it, but the CDs are great.
I used them for my selection but got carried away with physics and reviesed to much!!!
ADWJENK
Yeah it covers everything you need for the ATPL course!!
There both really good, im doing A-level physics but still got the CD to go over the basics lol.
Im ok at maths i can do it but im not a supper genius at it, but the CDs are great.
I used them for my selection but got carried away with physics and reviesed to much!!!
ADWJENK
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Hey no need to worry I was no good at Maths at school - was in bottom class - I just did all 14 subjects in ATPL - You seriously do not need to purchase with extra Physics or Maths tution .All is taught in the manuals - and it will come back to you . SOH CAH TOA dist/spd/time etc
Mainly formuales and turning them around
Hope this gives you added encouragement
Mainly formuales and turning them around
Hope this gives you added encouragement
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Maths and Physics knowledge req'd for ATPL(Merged)
Hi All
New to this. I'm planning to apply for an ATPL course this year but I'm a bit concerned about my knowledge of maths - it's been over ten yrs since my (quite dodgy) GCSEs. Anyone got advice on what is best way to improve - people have recommened all kinds of stuff, from Lett's revision guides to the Oxford maths CDs to two-day courses from Great Circle but they seem a lot of outlay.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Thanks!
New to this. I'm planning to apply for an ATPL course this year but I'm a bit concerned about my knowledge of maths - it's been over ten yrs since my (quite dodgy) GCSEs. Anyone got advice on what is best way to improve - people have recommened all kinds of stuff, from Lett's revision guides to the Oxford maths CDs to two-day courses from Great Circle but they seem a lot of outlay.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Thanks!
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Are you confident with:
Basic addition, multiplication etc
Trigonometry (sine, cosine etc)
Base 60 (degrees, minutes and seconds) calculations
Graph reading
Interpolation/ extrapolation - finding figures from tables or graphs that lie between or beyond the given results
Exponents - x squared or cubed, 10 to the power x etc etc
Basic physics - F=ma, moments, resolution of forces type of thing
If so, don't need to know much more. If not, the 'outlay' might be needed. What about finding a local maths teacher that does private GCSE/ A-level lessons? You don't need anymore than basic stuff and that might be cheaper/ easier.
Basic addition, multiplication etc
Trigonometry (sine, cosine etc)
Base 60 (degrees, minutes and seconds) calculations
Graph reading
Interpolation/ extrapolation - finding figures from tables or graphs that lie between or beyond the given results
Exponents - x squared or cubed, 10 to the power x etc etc
Basic physics - F=ma, moments, resolution of forces type of thing
If so, don't need to know much more. If not, the 'outlay' might be needed. What about finding a local maths teacher that does private GCSE/ A-level lessons? You don't need anymore than basic stuff and that might be cheaper/ easier.
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If your unsure about you knowlage of maths, i would suggest takeing a refresher course at a flight school, e.g Oxford Aviation Training (OAT). The advantage of doing it at a Flight School is that they know from experiance what type of subjects within maths to cover extensivly, as they know whats required on the ATPL exams...
Or if you like, OAT kindly offer a cd-rom course. I have the Essential Maths and physics and i personally find these very helpful and easy to understand. I believe these are around £30.
Hope this helps and all the best!
Jay
Or if you like, OAT kindly offer a cd-rom course. I have the Essential Maths and physics and i personally find these very helpful and easy to understand. I believe these are around £30.
Hope this helps and all the best!
Jay
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I started studying for the JAA PPL at the tender age of 43, having left school 28 years previously with a grade 5 CSE (not a typo, they were an exam for us thickies who had failed the 11 plus).
In the interim I'd pulled my socks up and become a university lecturer in an arts based subject. My hatred of Mrs Williams’s maths class and the attendant humiliation had not abated in the interim, nor had my understanding improved. Knowing what I know now I realise that the subject was incredibly badly taught. However, I digress.
Come 2001/2 and the dreaded JAA CPL exams maths again threatened to become my nemesis. My saviour came in the unlikely guise of Hairy Arsed Builder who was doing a bit of a makeover on my flat at that time. HAB had the advantages of being practical, a gliding instructor and also having a degree in engineering which is apparently more about applied maths than making things on a lathe.
So, to answer your query from my perspective, find yourself a good teacher, who understands flying, the practical application of maths, and can teach. If they aren’t Welsh it’s a bonus but not essential.
As an aside, after the exam torture was over, one of my first PPL students was a maths teacher. Thank you god! Anyroadup, one Friday after school I was teaching him diversions and he was really struggling with the mental arithmetic. The wheel had come full circle and I was able to tell him that never in my darkest hours with Mrs Williams did I ever dream I’d get to give a maths teacher such a hard time….
PF
PS If any body comes across any of so those called educationalists who are speaking of re introducing the 11+ then please start polishing the Kalashnikov….
In the interim I'd pulled my socks up and become a university lecturer in an arts based subject. My hatred of Mrs Williams’s maths class and the attendant humiliation had not abated in the interim, nor had my understanding improved. Knowing what I know now I realise that the subject was incredibly badly taught. However, I digress.
Come 2001/2 and the dreaded JAA CPL exams maths again threatened to become my nemesis. My saviour came in the unlikely guise of Hairy Arsed Builder who was doing a bit of a makeover on my flat at that time. HAB had the advantages of being practical, a gliding instructor and also having a degree in engineering which is apparently more about applied maths than making things on a lathe.
So, to answer your query from my perspective, find yourself a good teacher, who understands flying, the practical application of maths, and can teach. If they aren’t Welsh it’s a bonus but not essential.
As an aside, after the exam torture was over, one of my first PPL students was a maths teacher. Thank you god! Anyroadup, one Friday after school I was teaching him diversions and he was really struggling with the mental arithmetic. The wheel had come full circle and I was able to tell him that never in my darkest hours with Mrs Williams did I ever dream I’d get to give a maths teacher such a hard time….
PF
PS If any body comes across any of so those called educationalists who are speaking of re introducing the 11+ then please start polishing the Kalashnikov….
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Baz at Bristol produced a very straight forward book, which tells you what you need to know and nothing more. Heck, he even shows how you do most of it on the CRP-5!!
Well worth a buy at £18 from memory.
You can order it from BGS.
Best of luck
Funkie
Well worth a buy at £18 from memory.
You can order it from BGS.
Best of luck
Funkie
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I left school many years ago with very little up my sleave including a basic grasp of maths. I did my ATPL techs and CPL navs for a rotory ticket at CSE (Oxford) I got by with a crp 5 and 10 fingers and my old boy. Good luck ITI 