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hi,
a friend of mine was about to start his modular ATPL with Aerofan , but suddenly gave up because the school was not worth the money.
He told me about a poor management and a bad kept fleet and.
I might be wrong, but this is what he told me!
I suggest you to go and visit the FTO!
a friend of mine was about to start his modular ATPL with Aerofan , but suddenly gave up because the school was not worth the money.
He told me about a poor management and a bad kept fleet and.
I might be wrong, but this is what he told me!
I suggest you to go and visit the FTO!
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Madrid/Cuatro Vientos airport has no precision approach procedure on site, so you would need to fly away to shoot these approaches. There are, however, several such airports nearby (Madrid/Barajas might be an option at quiet times, otherwise Madrid/Torrejon AB, etc).
The standard of their IR should be the same as in the UK since they are a JAA-approved FTO. Just make sure that your instructors are either very proficient English-speakers or British/Irish etc. natives.
2-3 weeks for an ME/IR? No way! Even with the world's best flying weather, I don't buy it. The MEP rating itself would typically take about 6 days to a week, which would leave you only 2 weeks or so for the IR... Yeah right! A 50-hour, JAA, Multi-Engine Instrument Rating course in 2 weeks?
As has been mentioned, the best thing to do is ALWAYS to visit the FTO and ask the relevant questions before commiting the sort of money we are talking about (around £9,500 at Aerofan if I recall).
Cheers
The standard of their IR should be the same as in the UK since they are a JAA-approved FTO. Just make sure that your instructors are either very proficient English-speakers or British/Irish etc. natives.
2-3 weeks for an ME/IR? No way! Even with the world's best flying weather, I don't buy it. The MEP rating itself would typically take about 6 days to a week, which would leave you only 2 weeks or so for the IR... Yeah right! A 50-hour, JAA, Multi-Engine Instrument Rating course in 2 weeks?
As has been mentioned, the best thing to do is ALWAYS to visit the FTO and ask the relevant questions before commiting the sort of money we are talking about (around £9,500 at Aerofan if I recall).
Cheers
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canker,
I won't be doing the IR for a good 12 months, but if you go to visit Aerofan please let me know of your findings. I will be considering them myself since their IR is well priced; but I often wonder, is it too good to be true..
I like the idea of doing the IR in Spain just to go and live over there for a few months. Paella, yum
POL
I won't be doing the IR for a good 12 months, but if you go to visit Aerofan please let me know of your findings. I will be considering them myself since their IR is well priced; but I often wonder, is it too good to be true..
I like the idea of doing the IR in Spain just to go and live over there for a few months. Paella, yum
POL
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Im in spain for a year and i am doing some training with aerofan and aeromadrid, I am only hour building with aerofan at the moment, but poss plan to do further training with them. I have seen a few guys come through here from the UK to do their MULTI/IR here, none of them have had any complaints and in fact have said how good it is. This was only this year and i know of two already who have been offered jobs with airlines, so cant be that bad can it!!. I fly occasionally with some of the instructors, all who have a good level of english. It is true ythat there are no ILS radio nav aids at the airport, but as soon as you execute the departure procedure, you are right on a VOR to the west of the airfield, amongs others. I know also that they fly to other local airfield to practice aproaches. They do the IR in a 172, Bechcraft Bonanza and cessna 310 of which they have 2( new purchase in the last 3 weeks). I also hear they may be giving the option to fly the last 5 hours of the IR in a Cessna 402, a nine seater regional prop!. i have seen the aircraft in the hangar and should be ready in aroud 6-8 weeks.
ABOVE ALL, DONT TAKE TOO MUCH NOTICE OF NEGATIVE ATTITUDES ON HERE!. Granted sometimes people are right about bad schools and training, but it can also confuse and mislead you a lot. i spent months on here listening to peoples views, and in the end i was so confused i stopped asking. THE BEST ADVISE YOU CAN GET IS GO AND SEE MORE THAN ONE SCHOOL AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION. You will also get schools badmouthing each other. Ignore them and make up your own mind. ITS YOUR MONEY AND YOUR FUTURE!!. Best of luck!!!. P.s if you want any more info on Aerofan or Aeromadrid , PM Me.
ABOVE ALL, DONT TAKE TOO MUCH NOTICE OF NEGATIVE ATTITUDES ON HERE!. Granted sometimes people are right about bad schools and training, but it can also confuse and mislead you a lot. i spent months on here listening to peoples views, and in the end i was so confused i stopped asking. THE BEST ADVISE YOU CAN GET IS GO AND SEE MORE THAN ONE SCHOOL AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION. You will also get schools badmouthing each other. Ignore them and make up your own mind. ITS YOUR MONEY AND YOUR FUTURE!!. Best of luck!!!. P.s if you want any more info on Aerofan or Aeromadrid , PM Me.
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Madrid Barajas quiet for approachs, i dont think so, Class A only and Torrejon is a Spanish Military field. Most likely Salamanca or Valladolid. 2 - 3 weeks i dont think will happen, i know a guy at Cuatro Vientos doing Multi IR now and more likely 5 weeks, weather aint great at momemt.
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Not sure I would like converting to a C402 5 hours before my IR test... too many other things to concentrate on!
Also, I believe they don't test you on an ILS in Spain but you still get a JAR IR. May or may not be a propblem later on but I personally am glad I did UK training on a simple twin with ILSs.
Also, I believe they don't test you on an ILS in Spain but you still get a JAR IR. May or may not be a propblem later on but I personally am glad I did UK training on a simple twin with ILSs.
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i agree with the comment of flying the 402 for the last 5 hours, you wouldt want to be flying a new type before a test!. But i am only going off what a instructor told me , and you know how these things can get lost in translation!. But dont beleive the rubbish about the aircraft being in bad order. I have flown them myself many times and they are in perfect order, they even have their own on site maintainance. I have flown some very old and knackered aircraft and beleive you me , Aerofans are not in that catagory.
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ATPL in Spain
I'm looking into doing my ATPL with Aerofan, I have read many stories that they are not UK CAA approved, so what does this mean really? Has anyone done their training with them and do they assist with gaining employment once training is completed?
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me/ir
currently training in madrid and yes you do, do ils for your exam if examiner so requestls i have a guy sitting beside me here who did an ils for his exam only 3 weeks ago so please get your facts right before you post about such things. it will take average modular guy here 5-6wks to finish his/her ir weather dependent.
regards prizefighter
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Contacted CAA
Spoke to a very helpful gent who explained the ins and out and directed me to their site with an approved list of flight schools. Bottom line if they not on the list they not approved. Don't go there for a CPL FLIGHT TEST. You can go do a multi engine IR only
follow this link http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1211
With regards to doing flight training in Spain. Aerofan is not approved. As yet they have not applied for approval, and it doesn't look like they going to even try, after contacting them, I was told I must arrange it myself with the UK CAA. Fat chance of that happening!
You can do it in Jeres, they are approved and there is an agreement in place with UK CAA.
hope this helps
Spoke to a very helpful gent who explained the ins and out and directed me to their site with an approved list of flight schools. Bottom line if they not on the list they not approved. Don't go there for a CPL FLIGHT TEST. You can go do a multi engine IR only
follow this link http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...detail&id=1211
With regards to doing flight training in Spain. Aerofan is not approved. As yet they have not applied for approval, and it doesn't look like they going to even try, after contacting them, I was told I must arrange it myself with the UK CAA. Fat chance of that happening!
You can do it in Jeres, they are approved and there is an agreement in place with UK CAA.
hope this helps
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Of course Aerofan is not approved by the CAA - it's JAA-approved through the Spanish DGAC (a JAA FTO cannot be approved by more than one national aviation authority). Flight Training Europe in Jerez might be approved by the CAA (or have an agreement with them) since they used to be approved by the CAA as BAE Systems Flight Training (Europe). They have had to transfer to the Spanish DGAC when they became independent of BAE Systems (and had to re-register their aircraft in Spain in the process). Due to their UK origin, they might still have some sort of agreement with the CAA.
Training in a foreign JAA country is not a problem for later, the CAA make it easy enough to transfer.
Even if one has to fly away from Cuatro Vientos to practice instrument approaches, the (usually) good weather and lower quotes make the Spanish option quite attractive compared to typical ME/IR prices in Blighty.
Cheers
Training in a foreign JAA country is not a problem for later, the CAA make it easy enough to transfer.
Even if one has to fly away from Cuatro Vientos to practice instrument approaches, the (usually) good weather and lower quotes make the Spanish option quite attractive compared to typical ME/IR prices in Blighty.
Cheers
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Training in SPAIN
Before choosing an FTO whether in the UK, Spain or anywhere else, it's important to get a feel for the school, and equally important to try and get as much feed back from students who have recently trained at that school. All schools have their good and bad points, and the decision on where to spend such a large sum of money should not be taken quickly.
The schools in Madrid that are mentioned below are perfectly capable of providing the training that most people are looking for. But there are also many other schools throughout Spain, just as capable. Look around, compare, get feedback.
canker: To practice ILS approaches at any school located at Cuatro Vientos Airport, you will need to fly 35 minutes away to other airports where precision approaches are available. But don't forget that a large part of your course will be done either in a simulator or doing simulated non-precision approaches at local VORs or NDBs. This is not an issue. Cuatro Vientos is one of the best general aviation airports in Spain and is mainly focused on flight training. Whether or not you can do an IR in 2-3 weeks will depend on how many hours you fly a day. If you fly 2 hours first thing in the morning and another 2 hours in the afternoon, 2-3 weeks is reasonable. It's been done, and it's being done.
alberto86: I suggest you check where you get your information from before speaking out.
FougaMagister: Madrid Barajas or Torrejon are not available for flight training. The two main FTOs that cater for English students (located at Cuatro Vientos) both have UK native instructors available. 2-3 weeks for an IR. Speak to the guys who have done it.
Pole Hill: Speak to UK students that have recently done their IR in Madrid.
clarityinthemurk: The ILS is part of the IR test in Spain. BUT, if for some reason (weather etc) the examiner prefers to only test you on non-precision approaches, that is prefectly valid. Please read JAR-FCL Examiner Skills Test requirements.
Manfred66: Both Aeromadrid and Aerofan (the 2 FTOs mentioned) are Spanish CAA JAR Approved. Under JAR-FCL you can train for any additional ratings such as IR, MEP, FI, IRI etc at an approved JAR FTO.
The only FTO in Spain that can provide you with CPL flight training (if you have done your ATPLs in the UK), for the issue of a licence, is Jerez(at least that used to be the case) which is UK CAA JAR Approved.
Remember: ATPLs done in the UK. CPL flight training must also be done at a UK approved JAR FTO. ATPLs done in Spain. CPL flight training must also be done at a Spanish approved JAR FTO.
The schools in Madrid that are mentioned below are perfectly capable of providing the training that most people are looking for. But there are also many other schools throughout Spain, just as capable. Look around, compare, get feedback.
canker: To practice ILS approaches at any school located at Cuatro Vientos Airport, you will need to fly 35 minutes away to other airports where precision approaches are available. But don't forget that a large part of your course will be done either in a simulator or doing simulated non-precision approaches at local VORs or NDBs. This is not an issue. Cuatro Vientos is one of the best general aviation airports in Spain and is mainly focused on flight training. Whether or not you can do an IR in 2-3 weeks will depend on how many hours you fly a day. If you fly 2 hours first thing in the morning and another 2 hours in the afternoon, 2-3 weeks is reasonable. It's been done, and it's being done.
alberto86: I suggest you check where you get your information from before speaking out.
FougaMagister: Madrid Barajas or Torrejon are not available for flight training. The two main FTOs that cater for English students (located at Cuatro Vientos) both have UK native instructors available. 2-3 weeks for an IR. Speak to the guys who have done it.
Pole Hill: Speak to UK students that have recently done their IR in Madrid.
clarityinthemurk: The ILS is part of the IR test in Spain. BUT, if for some reason (weather etc) the examiner prefers to only test you on non-precision approaches, that is prefectly valid. Please read JAR-FCL Examiner Skills Test requirements.
Manfred66: Both Aeromadrid and Aerofan (the 2 FTOs mentioned) are Spanish CAA JAR Approved. Under JAR-FCL you can train for any additional ratings such as IR, MEP, FI, IRI etc at an approved JAR FTO.
The only FTO in Spain that can provide you with CPL flight training (if you have done your ATPLs in the UK), for the issue of a licence, is Jerez(at least that used to be the case) which is UK CAA JAR Approved.
Remember: ATPLs done in the UK. CPL flight training must also be done at a UK approved JAR FTO. ATPLs done in Spain. CPL flight training must also be done at a Spanish approved JAR FTO.
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Hello everyone,
I have just finished ATPL G/S and hour building. I was looking thru pilot magazine and saw an advert for Aerofanfto.com. Has anyboody been there or knows someone who has? Courses seem reasonablly priced and i like the MCC Airbus course !
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Many thanks and happy landings
Chris
I have just finished ATPL G/S and hour building. I was looking thru pilot magazine and saw an advert for Aerofanfto.com. Has anyboody been there or knows someone who has? Courses seem reasonablly priced and i like the MCC Airbus course !
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Many thanks and happy landings
Chris
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Hey mate,
just came from Spain doing my FI course there.The school is small but
very good and organized.Have one C152 , 2 C172 ,2 BE33 (Bonanza ,nice A/C)
but one had gearcollaps on Ldg short while ago, 2 C310 and 1 C410.Not the newest for sure but ok.
Maintanance is done in own hangar (spanish hangar
)
All the stuff is very nice and helpfull,Instructors range from about 1000hr TT up to about 8000TT.
CFI is Alex E with about 5500TT.Examiners bookable nearly every day incl.Sat and Sun.
If u need more info PM me .hope it helps!
just came from Spain doing my FI course there.The school is small but
very good and organized.Have one C152 , 2 C172 ,2 BE33 (Bonanza ,nice A/C)
but one had gearcollaps on Ldg short while ago, 2 C310 and 1 C410.Not the newest for sure but ok.
Maintanance is done in own hangar (spanish hangar
)All the stuff is very nice and helpfull,Instructors range from about 1000hr TT up to about 8000TT.
CFI is Alex E with about 5500TT.Examiners bookable nearly every day incl.Sat and Sun.
If u need more info PM me .hope it helps!