Logbook and Logging Hours Questions
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Better in logbook- night or day?
Well i can fly either night or day and have my private and am working on instrument- i have 65 or so hours total with about 5 at night. I enjoy night flying better but what will look better in the future when i try and get an airline job?
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Interesting.....
I've always tried to make every hour count double if not triple.
Meaning try to make every hour crosscountry if not xc night.
Or xc under simulated instrument conditions with a safety pilot.
Try and fill as many columns in your logbook with every single flight. Can be a pain sometimes but eventually it will pay off.
Future employers will not only look at your total time but also how you got it.
Oversimplistic but 1000hrs in the pattern are not the same as 1000 hrs xc. Banner towing over the same beach for 3 months will not give you the same experience level as flying over different terrain. In my experience they will always ask how you got the hours and what did you like doing most/least. Maybe consider timebuilding with a buddy abroad somewhere. Vary the airplane types that you fly. Not that an airline will care about a C172 vs Robin but it shows interest and the ability to diversify. Anything that will let you stand out in the crowd.
Hope it helps.
I've always tried to make every hour count double if not triple.
Meaning try to make every hour crosscountry if not xc night.
Or xc under simulated instrument conditions with a safety pilot.
Try and fill as many columns in your logbook with every single flight. Can be a pain sometimes but eventually it will pay off.
Future employers will not only look at your total time but also how you got it.
Oversimplistic but 1000hrs in the pattern are not the same as 1000 hrs xc. Banner towing over the same beach for 3 months will not give you the same experience level as flying over different terrain. In my experience they will always ask how you got the hours and what did you like doing most/least. Maybe consider timebuilding with a buddy abroad somewhere. Vary the airplane types that you fly. Not that an airline will care about a C172 vs Robin but it shows interest and the ability to diversify. Anything that will let you stand out in the crowd.
Hope it helps.
Last edited by B2N2; 9th March 2003 at 12:45.
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I agree, fill up as many columns as you can, but I'd say stay away from night until you've more experience. Flying SE at night is really fun, smooth, and you get great views sometimes, but not so fun when you have a problem.....Obviously, you want to maintain night currency and keep your hand in, but I'd keep the long cross-country flights in the 'day' column for a while.
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I suspect that the answer to the question may well depend on the country that is issuing the licence!
From where I am now, SE at night = no way! SE at day = a bit iffy!
But then again I sit LHS in a transport aircraft for a large carrier!
From where I am now, SE at night = no way! SE at day = a bit iffy!
But then again I sit LHS in a transport aircraft for a large carrier!
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Yeah, wait till you're on multi's before you really start racking up the night time. I did my original night stuff in a C152 over LA. Thing is, there are so many lights out there that it's almost daytime anyway, and if your engine quits you're landing on the freeway regardless of what time it is. When I moved to the UK it was a little disconcerting to see all the black areas of nothingness.
It's one thing to be frustrated by not having the requisite hours to unfreeze your ATPL, but I bet it's better than trying to trouble-shoot your lycoming at Vglide as you descend into a...field? or is it a forest?
should I turn on my landing light? or keep it off?
abracadabra
It's one thing to be frustrated by not having the requisite hours to unfreeze your ATPL, but I bet it's better than trying to trouble-shoot your lycoming at Vglide as you descend into a...field? or is it a forest?
should I turn on my landing light? or keep it off?
abracadabra
Why do it if it's not fun?
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When I moved to the UK it was a little disconcerting to see all the black areas of nothingness.
Single-engine flying at night is more dangerous than single-engine flying during the day. It's also more dangerous than multi-engine flying at night. But I'd bet it's safer than lots of other things which people do. I know the risks, and, for me personally, I think they're acceptable - especially since I love flying at night. It's just a pity there are so few places in the UK where you can get any decent night hours logged.
FFF
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Jeppesen European Logbook
The Jeppesen European Pilot Logbook seems to be the latest and most popular for Commercial pilots, but what I don't understand is , what if you hour build in the states or train there under FAA 141 as well as JAR licenses in the UK, does those hours count?
Or would the CAP 407 be more suitable under these circumstances?
Thanks
Or would the CAP 407 be more suitable under these circumstances?
Thanks
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Please check the "Questions" forum, there is a question like yours with a few replies too.
http://www.pprune.com/forums/showthr...hreadid=120506
Ahh i've just noticed it was your post too in the questions forum
http://www.pprune.com/forums/showthr...hreadid=120506
Ahh i've just noticed it was your post too in the questions forum
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How to fill the logbook
How do you log when you have done one filght that start during the night and ends during the day? I mean if I call fill bouth boxes (day and night) the time that I have done at each condition. I think that I can but im not very sure.
thanks
thanks
Why do it if it's not fun?
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I would use one line, and split the total time between the two columns. But at the end of the day, it's your logbook, so you can fill it in however you like, as long as it's clear and accurate.
FFF
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You do not have any particular design of logbook and there is no longer any such thing as a "JAA approved logbook". The various 'JAR-FCL logbooks available are copies of the design that used to be contained in JAR-FCL 1.080 and, being in Section 1, was mandatory. Now, however, this has been moved to IEM FCL 1.080 in Section 2, which is Interpretive and Explanatory Material and shows an example only of how a logbook might look.
The UK law relating to the maintainance of a personal flying logbook is spelt out in the ANO at Article 28 and says nothing about the design of such a logbook. Provided that you comply with this law, you do not have to do anything else. It is perfecly legal, for example, to maintain a personal flying log on a computer or PDA if you wish - you are not obliged to have a 'book' at all.
The way that you choose to comply with the law is entirely up to you - you may use whatever design of logbook suits you and the flying that you are doing.
The UK law relating to the maintainance of a personal flying logbook is spelt out in the ANO at Article 28 and says nothing about the design of such a logbook. Provided that you comply with this law, you do not have to do anything else. It is perfecly legal, for example, to maintain a personal flying log on a computer or PDA if you wish - you are not obliged to have a 'book' at all.
The way that you choose to comply with the law is entirely up to you - you may use whatever design of logbook suits you and the flying that you are doing.