Logbook and Logging Hours Questions
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From: on the golf course (Covid permitting)
Walker
They are not the same thing at all!
Captain - record hours against this when you are the captain, be it airliner or single engine piston
P1 - record hours against this total when you are co-pilot handling the sector
P2 - record your co-pilot hours here for aircraft requiring 2 crew and licensed on type
Dual - when under flying instruction, for your PPL or initial conversion training.
I'm now sure that someone will correct me, but that is the general idea.
Note: Each flight can only be recorded once!
They are not the same thing at all!
Captain - record hours against this when you are the captain, be it airliner or single engine piston
P1 - record hours against this total when you are co-pilot handling the sector
P2 - record your co-pilot hours here for aircraft requiring 2 crew and licensed on type
Dual - when under flying instruction, for your PPL or initial conversion training.
I'm now sure that someone will correct me, but that is the general idea.
Note: Each flight can only be recorded once!
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From: uk
I understand it as
P1 - PIC (pilot in command) only log for jet time if Captian signs it.
P2 - Co pilot.
Dual - when under instruction
The instructions of how to fill in your log book will be at the front of it.
Hope the company takes you on.
259
P1 - PIC (pilot in command) only log for jet time if Captian signs it.
P2 - Co pilot.
Dual - when under instruction
The instructions of how to fill in your log book will be at the front of it.
Hope the company takes you on.
259
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From: USA
Recording of Flight Time
LAZORS is absolutely useless. I have all my time logged under US (FAA) logging standards, and need to try and figure out how much time I have using the UK (CAA) standards. Does anyone have a quick guide, that explains all the categories? These are some of the ones I have heard.
P(UT)
PIC
SPIC
PICUS
P1
P2
I have searched. Appreciate the help.
P(UT)
PIC
SPIC
PICUS
P1
P2
I have searched. Appreciate the help.
Hovering AND talking
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From: Propping up bars in the Lands of D H Lawrence and Bishop Bonner
PIC = P1
P U/T = pilot under instruction for a licence or rating. Classed as dual time.
SPIC = Student PIC on integrated courses only. Log as P1 time.
PICUS = P1 U/S = In command under supervision - to be used for skills tests only.
P2 = co-pilot in multi-crew aircraft.
Appendix B to Section A LASORS (Recording of Flight Time) pages 42-44 in the 2007 edition. LASORS is not useless; you just need to find your way around it. If you need to convert your log book times for reason of getting a JAA licence, then you're going to have to get used to LASORS I'm afraid!
Cheers
Whirls
P U/T = pilot under instruction for a licence or rating. Classed as dual time.
SPIC = Student PIC on integrated courses only. Log as P1 time.
PICUS = P1 U/S = In command under supervision - to be used for skills tests only.
P2 = co-pilot in multi-crew aircraft.
Appendix B to Section A LASORS (Recording of Flight Time) pages 42-44 in the 2007 edition. LASORS is not useless; you just need to find your way around it. If you need to convert your log book times for reason of getting a JAA licence, then you're going to have to get used to LASORS I'm afraid!
Cheers
Whirls
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From: Rustington, West Sussex
Logging hours
Hi guys,
Right, I have about 50hrs towards my PPL. I haven't finished yet as Ive not been doing it consistently due to college and financial demand. On my days off from work I sit in the RHS of a Cheiftain flying pax to France and back, I know someone who managed to get me this opportunity! Its great fun and when there are no pax I do get to fly, not very often of course. My enquiry here is really to find out if anyone knows if there is any way that I can log these hours? Im keeping a note of them in anticipation of future interviews for part sponsorship deals and airline direct positions (assuming I can get the finances required for FTE!).
It would be nice to know if this is possible as it would clearly add to the total hours of experience after Integrated training. I estimate that if I can do it once a week then that would amount to a little over 200hrs for the year! After FTE and including my current hours from my PPL my total hours would be nearer 400. This is soley out of interest and I would really appreciate any replies I recieve.
Cheers,
Rob152
Right, I have about 50hrs towards my PPL. I haven't finished yet as Ive not been doing it consistently due to college and financial demand. On my days off from work I sit in the RHS of a Cheiftain flying pax to France and back, I know someone who managed to get me this opportunity! Its great fun and when there are no pax I do get to fly, not very often of course. My enquiry here is really to find out if anyone knows if there is any way that I can log these hours? Im keeping a note of them in anticipation of future interviews for part sponsorship deals and airline direct positions (assuming I can get the finances required for FTE!).
It would be nice to know if this is possible as it would clearly add to the total hours of experience after Integrated training. I estimate that if I can do it once a week then that would amount to a little over 200hrs for the year! After FTE and including my current hours from my PPL my total hours would be nearer 400. This is soley out of interest and I would really appreciate any replies I recieve.
Cheers,
Rob152
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From: In a house
One loophole is if the guy in the left hand seat is a JAA FI then you technically could log it as dual instruction received. Although I personally wouldn't recommend it.
I would just make a note of the flights you do and raise the issue in any interviews you have in the future. The fact that you are giving your time to learn and watch how a light commercial aircraft operates from the front is great experience and should impress the interviewer.
Even post-PPL, although rated on the aircraft you could log it as PIC, you have to prove that you are paying pro-rata share of the costs as flying the 'dead legs' wouldn't be covered by a PPL. To legally be able to log the hours in this case, you'd need to hold a CPL and given the UK weather, a IR. Also the guy in the left seat wouldn't be able to log any time as the aircraft is a single pilot aircraft.
Hope this helps.
I would just make a note of the flights you do and raise the issue in any interviews you have in the future. The fact that you are giving your time to learn and watch how a light commercial aircraft operates from the front is great experience and should impress the interviewer.
Even post-PPL, although rated on the aircraft you could log it as PIC, you have to prove that you are paying pro-rata share of the costs as flying the 'dead legs' wouldn't be covered by a PPL. To legally be able to log the hours in this case, you'd need to hold a CPL and given the UK weather, a IR. Also the guy in the left seat wouldn't be able to log any time as the aircraft is a single pilot aircraft.
Hope this helps.
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From: Dublin, Ireland
logbook question
Hi there,
Just a quick question, My first intro flight a few years ago was never recorded in my logbook(i did not have one at the time). soon after this the instructor was no longer working at the school so i never got this flight entered in my book. my question is this: i have a certificate with all the neccesary info for the flight including his signature, can i enter this into my logbook now or do i need a counter signature from the instructor?
i know its only 30min, but every little counts!
thanks.
Just a quick question, My first intro flight a few years ago was never recorded in my logbook(i did not have one at the time). soon after this the instructor was no longer working at the school so i never got this flight entered in my book. my question is this: i have a certificate with all the neccesary info for the flight including his signature, can i enter this into my logbook now or do i need a counter signature from the instructor?
i know its only 30min, but every little counts!
thanks.
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From: widnes
hi, sorry for a little thread steal 
but i have had two 1hour trial flights, is it possible to record these in my logbook? i was told trial flights cannot be entered, although i did do most of the flying itself.
Cheers,
Gary
but i have had two 1hour trial flights, is it possible to record these in my logbook? i was told trial flights cannot be entered, although i did do most of the flying itself.Cheers,
Gary
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From: standby
logbook question
is your ppl flight test considered pic if you pass, also is a checkout for a new plane or school considered pic if you have a ppl but fly with an instructor who signs your logbook, getting conflicting answers at the school im in and would like to know as i'm getting ready to start the cpl and it would be handy to know if i have more or less hours to do.
also is the FAA BFR considered to be PIC.
ultimatley can these hours be considered for the 100hrs needed for the cpl.
have done a search but couldnt really find an anwser.
thanks in advance
also is the FAA BFR considered to be PIC.
ultimatley can these hours be considered for the 100hrs needed for the cpl.
have done a search but couldnt really find an anwser.
thanks in advance
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From: In a house
If you are flying on and logging under FAA then any BFR is PIC, as is sucessful check rides. Basically, if you are rated for the aircraft then you can log it as PIC, even if a CFI (FI) is onboard.
Under JAA, anytime an instructor is onboard you log it as dual. Regarding skill tests, I'm not so sure under JAA.
Hope this helps.
Under JAA, anytime an instructor is onboard you log it as dual. Regarding skill tests, I'm not so sure under JAA.
Hope this helps.