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Anybody seen this?
http://winapilotlicense.com/
What do you think? There site seems to answer all the obvious questions but is it just another SCAM?
http://winapilotlicense.com/
What do you think? There site seems to answer all the obvious questions but is it just another SCAM?
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Googling reveals the following: (appears it could work, but there is no due diligence or trust structure to ensure good corporate governance - good luck to Kaare if it is indeed genuine)
All in, the details don't appear odd if not amateur - the cautions probably relate to the company secretary rather than Kaare who has no other directorships apparantly?
Company Name: PROPITIOUS AVIATION LIMITED
Company Number: 05013879
Date of Incorporation: 13/01/2004
Company Secretary: BOYES TURNER SECRETARIES LIMITED
Registered Office: FIRST FLOOR
ABBOTS HOUSE ABBEY STREET
READING
BERKSHIRE RG1 3BD
Post Code: RG1 3BD
Names of Directors :
KAARE INGEBRIGTSEN,
Business Activities:
General Commercial Company
SIC Codes:
9272 MOTION PICTURE, TELEVISION, THEATRICAL CASTING
US SIC Codes:
8999 SERVICES NEC
CRO Activity:
13/01/2004 New Incorporation
08/06/2004 Registered Name Change
19/01/2005 Annual Return Made Up Date
19/01/2005 SIC Codes
Previous Names : 08/06/2004 ABBOTS 320 LIMITED
Principal Shareholders:
Kaare Ingebrigtsen
2 Manor Farm Cottages
East Shalford Lane
Guildford
GU4 8AF
Caution.Current/previous Director(s) and/or current/previous Secretary have been recorded as being directors of a company/or companies which have been struck off the Register of Companies as a result of either a subject company voluntary application or due to non compliance.
Caution.Previous Director(s) and/or Secretary have been recorded as holding/having held 2 or more other directorships in a company/companies which have been subjected to voluntary or compulsory winding up procedures or administration orders.
Name: KAARE INGEBRIGTSEN
Nationality: NORWEGIAN
Date of Birth: 11/02/1968
From pilotweb.co.uk:
Kaare Ingebrigtsen
UK
Send Email
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Location: UK
Hours: 130
Date Registered: 05/05/2004 07:49:19
Last Updated: 09/05/2004
Qualifications
CAA PPL
Airfields
BLACKBUSHE (United Kingdom)
REDHILL (United Kingdom) - appeared to own a share in a microlight there.
Used/involved with century-2k.com website design (hmmm):
"Going with C2K was the best decision we could have made..."
Kaare Ingebrigtsen - MD
Propitious Aviation
UKGA.com:
Hangarage wanted Hants/Berks area
Sun 9 Jan - Kaare Ingebrigtsen
Hangarage and use of field suitable for J400 to rent in the Hampshire/Berkshire (East) area wanted.
Also turns up a sport liferaft service station in Tromso on zodiacsolas.com (probably someone else):
Z1405 SPORTSHUSET SERVICESTASJON AS TEL : +47 77 65 34 00
SKATTORAV. 61 FAX : +47 77 61 19 97
E MAIL : [email protected]
9018 TROMSO CONTACT : KAARE INGEBRIGTSEN
pro·pi·tious ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-pshs)
adj.
Presenting favorable circumstances; auspicious. See Synonyms at favorable.
Kindly; gracious.
adj : presenting favorable circumstances; "propitious omens".
aus·pi·cious ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ô-spshs)
adj.
Attended by favorable circumstances; propitious: an auspicious time to ask for a raise in salary. See Synonyms at favorable.
Marked by success; prosperous.
All in, the details don't appear odd if not amateur - the cautions probably relate to the company secretary rather than Kaare who has no other directorships apparantly?
Company Name: PROPITIOUS AVIATION LIMITED
Company Number: 05013879
Date of Incorporation: 13/01/2004
Company Secretary: BOYES TURNER SECRETARIES LIMITED
Registered Office: FIRST FLOOR
ABBOTS HOUSE ABBEY STREET
READING
BERKSHIRE RG1 3BD
Post Code: RG1 3BD
Names of Directors :
KAARE INGEBRIGTSEN,
Business Activities:
General Commercial Company
SIC Codes:
9272 MOTION PICTURE, TELEVISION, THEATRICAL CASTING
US SIC Codes:
8999 SERVICES NEC
CRO Activity:
13/01/2004 New Incorporation
08/06/2004 Registered Name Change
19/01/2005 Annual Return Made Up Date
19/01/2005 SIC Codes
Previous Names : 08/06/2004 ABBOTS 320 LIMITED
Principal Shareholders:
Kaare Ingebrigtsen
2 Manor Farm Cottages
East Shalford Lane
Guildford
GU4 8AF
Caution.Current/previous Director(s) and/or current/previous Secretary have been recorded as being directors of a company/or companies which have been struck off the Register of Companies as a result of either a subject company voluntary application or due to non compliance.
Caution.Previous Director(s) and/or Secretary have been recorded as holding/having held 2 or more other directorships in a company/companies which have been subjected to voluntary or compulsory winding up procedures or administration orders.
Name: KAARE INGEBRIGTSEN
Nationality: NORWEGIAN
Date of Birth: 11/02/1968
From pilotweb.co.uk:
Kaare Ingebrigtsen
UK
Send Email
Back to Pilot List
Location: UK
Hours: 130
Date Registered: 05/05/2004 07:49:19
Last Updated: 09/05/2004
Qualifications
CAA PPL
Airfields
BLACKBUSHE (United Kingdom)
REDHILL (United Kingdom) - appeared to own a share in a microlight there.
Used/involved with century-2k.com website design (hmmm):
"Going with C2K was the best decision we could have made..."
Kaare Ingebrigtsen - MD
Propitious Aviation
UKGA.com:
Hangarage wanted Hants/Berks area
Sun 9 Jan - Kaare Ingebrigtsen
Hangarage and use of field suitable for J400 to rent in the Hampshire/Berkshire (East) area wanted.
Also turns up a sport liferaft service station in Tromso on zodiacsolas.com (probably someone else):
Z1405 SPORTSHUSET SERVICESTASJON AS TEL : +47 77 65 34 00
SKATTORAV. 61 FAX : +47 77 61 19 97
E MAIL : [email protected]
9018 TROMSO CONTACT : KAARE INGEBRIGTSEN
pro·pi·tious ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-pshs)
adj.
Presenting favorable circumstances; auspicious. See Synonyms at favorable.
Kindly; gracious.
adj : presenting favorable circumstances; "propitious omens".
aus·pi·cious ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ô-spshs)
adj.
Attended by favorable circumstances; propitious: an auspicious time to ask for a raise in salary. See Synonyms at favorable.
Marked by success; prosperous.
Last edited by Re-Heat; 11th Apr 2005 at 14:14.
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Simply a scam
Enough people buy the tickets and then they run the draw. You are essentially funding 1/445 of 45 hours of flying lessons.
If you win they will be for a NPPL and no doubt at a very inconvenient location. But of course you wont so there is no need to worry.
If you win they will be for a NPPL and no doubt at a very inconvenient location. But of course you wont so there is no need to worry.
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Not even very well-informed - an NPPL does not require 45 hours of training.
This is like those car raffles you see at major airports nowadays. I'd love to win a DB9, but the cost of all the tickets sold covers the total cost of 2 DB9s! In this case the tickets sold as shown do not nearly cover costs, but that has not been updated since February, and the draw is at the end of November!
This is like those car raffles you see at major airports nowadays. I'd love to win a DB9, but the cost of all the tickets sold covers the total cost of 2 DB9s! In this case the tickets sold as shown do not nearly cover costs, but that has not been updated since February, and the draw is at the end of November!
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Well, the DB9's you can 'win' there are also underwritten by Lloyds insurance in case anyone does win. Total rip off, but nice to have a gander on an airport standby! Off topic sorry!
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I'm worried about this now, because in their news section they say you can text in to 81808 with"PPL" to enter.
Now Air Cadets, as I was, are young and mad keen on aviation (honest I was) so are likely to do this, however they don't mention how much the text costs, and it could be any amount, couldn't it??
Looks like a barely legal scam to me, but I'm open to correction.
Now Air Cadets, as I was, are young and mad keen on aviation (honest I was) so are likely to do this, however they don't mention how much the text costs, and it could be any amount, couldn't it??
Looks like a barely legal scam to me, but I'm open to correction.
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£29 for a ticket, or
2) Enter our SMS competition for £5 for a minimum of 1-in-9 chance of winning one of the above mentioned tickets (Text "PPL" to 81808)
"£5" for a "chance" at having a ticket by text........doesn't fill me with confidence!
Especially given the blokes history someone posted above ^
I'm involved with the ACO and I know of loads of kids who wouldn't think twice about texting in!
I wonder if this "lottery" has been registered and complies with the law?
http://www.culture.gov.uk/gambling_a...%2C&print=true
Hmm, now 448 tickets at £29 ea is over £12k, and the cost of a NPPL is what, £4-6k I'd assume? Leaving a rather hefty wedge left over........and it seems, all his "company" is doing, is running this lottery, which it would seem breaches the quote above? 
2) Enter our SMS competition for £5 for a minimum of 1-in-9 chance of winning one of the above mentioned tickets (Text "PPL" to 81808)
"£5" for a "chance" at having a ticket by text........doesn't fill me with confidence!
Especially given the blokes history someone posted above ^
I'm involved with the ACO and I know of loads of kids who wouldn't think twice about texting in!
I wonder if this "lottery" has been registered and complies with the law?
http://www.culture.gov.uk/gambling_a...%2C&print=true
The general rule is that lotteries cannot be run for private or commercial gain.
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Hads anyone informed the Dept for debased Culture, Meeja and Sport, like?
Only just over £4,000 if you choose the cheapest schools, PhilM. Only need to sell 150 tickets to cover outlay, maybe 750 text entries or any combination.
TRon I was talking about the ones in the airports and big shopping centres that sell a certain number of tickets before they ever draw. They have guaranteed to cover the cost of car, their overheads and a fat profit by that stage! The ones you are talking about are usually much cheaper, more unlikely games like "throw 7 dice, all 6s wins the car", which at 1:279,936 odds per throw gives a reasonable insurance rate, even if they do have to send a representative to watch!
Only just over £4,000 if you choose the cheapest schools, PhilM. Only need to sell 150 tickets to cover outlay, maybe 750 text entries or any combination.
TRon I was talking about the ones in the airports and big shopping centres that sell a certain number of tickets before they ever draw. They have guaranteed to cover the cost of car, their overheads and a fat profit by that stage! The ones you are talking about are usually much cheaper, more unlikely games like "throw 7 dice, all 6s wins the car", which at 1:279,936 odds per throw gives a reasonable insurance rate, even if they do have to send a representative to watch!
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Doesn't the website claim to offer a JAA licence? What has the NPPL got to do with the JAA?? NPPL is only a CAA licence, and is not recognised anywhere else.
I'm open to correction...!!
I'm open to correction...!!
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Both interesting, and both appear to show the above as falling outside the law.
http://www.chorley.gov.uk/upload/pub...noteslic29.pdf
http://www.culture.gov.uk/gambling_a...mpetitions.htm
The site says the following, but it is not registered as a company specialising in such, nor is the ownership of the below aircraft included in the listing for the company's aims posted above:
"Propitious Aviation Limited is a registerd limited company specalizing in Prize Competitions as defined under English law.
The operation of the competitions have passed a legal review to ensure conformity with English law. References from Boyes Turner solicitors are available on request."
Also...from G-INFO - additions 28/03/2005 - 10/04/2005:
G-JJAB
NEW UK
JABIRU J400
PROPITIOUS AVIATION LTD
The price?
Ready Built:-
Jabiru Calypso UL-D, factory built, cles en main (keys in hand!) complete with upholstery, seat belts, winglets, propeller, spats, disk brakes, basic VFR and engine instruments. It even includes a Microair 760 radio and headsets! Available first quarter 2005! £36,000
Interestingly the advert at the bottom of the webpage takes you to French apartments owned by a family-member as follows:
Contact Information
For more information and to book contact Harald Ingebrigtsen in English, French, German or Scandinavian
Telephone: +47 90 78 77 52
Alt. telephones: +33 663 48 61 89 or +33 492 18 93 98
Fax: +47 67 97 20 53
By E-mail: click to send e-mail
http://www.chorley.gov.uk/upload/pub...noteslic29.pdf
http://www.culture.gov.uk/gambling_a...mpetitions.htm
The site says the following, but it is not registered as a company specialising in such, nor is the ownership of the below aircraft included in the listing for the company's aims posted above:
"Propitious Aviation Limited is a registerd limited company specalizing in Prize Competitions as defined under English law.
The operation of the competitions have passed a legal review to ensure conformity with English law. References from Boyes Turner solicitors are available on request."
Also...from G-INFO - additions 28/03/2005 - 10/04/2005:
G-JJAB
NEW UK
JABIRU J400
PROPITIOUS AVIATION LTD
The price?
Ready Built:-
Jabiru Calypso UL-D, factory built, cles en main (keys in hand!) complete with upholstery, seat belts, winglets, propeller, spats, disk brakes, basic VFR and engine instruments. It even includes a Microair 760 radio and headsets! Available first quarter 2005! £36,000
Interestingly the advert at the bottom of the webpage takes you to French apartments owned by a family-member as follows:
Contact Information
For more information and to book contact Harald Ingebrigtsen in English, French, German or Scandinavian
Telephone: +47 90 78 77 52
Alt. telephones: +33 663 48 61 89 or +33 492 18 93 98
Fax: +47 67 97 20 53
By E-mail: click to send e-mail
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I tried to inform the Gaming Board, but their email address doesn't exist (their website doesn't work properly either - how incompetent can a government agency be allowed to become?)
