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Where´s the problem?
Hey, I´m nearing the end of my training at FTE and i can tell you that i havn´t had any problems. All this "BULL" about who has been axed or made redundent is neither here nor there. At the end of the day you are still gonna get the quality of training that you expect for the amount of money you have paid.
If you are so interested in the instructors backgrounds then you only have to ask. Several instructors, MCC or normal are ex airline Captains aswell as being ex RAF. I can tell you, they are the cream of the crop with regards to their level of instruction but then so are all of the instructors. I say this because they seem to get their students through whether they are naturals or not! You can´t complain.
The College as it stands is in a very healthy position; there are six courses (one of which is Brittania) and there are also currently elevan KLM/KLS students plus a couple of modular CPL/IR students. It´s busy enough to bet you that it´s not going to fold any time in the near future.
As for whether you do modular or integrated. I´d go integrated any day. For a start; you get it finished in one go. There is no messing around and the environment you live in, at least here in Jerez, lends itself very nicely to supporting and getting you through without too much hassle. The help is there whenever you want it.
As for job prospects. I can only tell you what i´ve heard and that is Airlines who have visited saying that integrated is "more attractive" to them than modular. The training you get makes you a more rounded Pilot, the continuity is the key and they like that.
As for the cost, well... you "pay to play!" It´s as simple as that.
Good luck with your career.
If you are so interested in the instructors backgrounds then you only have to ask. Several instructors, MCC or normal are ex airline Captains aswell as being ex RAF. I can tell you, they are the cream of the crop with regards to their level of instruction but then so are all of the instructors. I say this because they seem to get their students through whether they are naturals or not! You can´t complain.
The College as it stands is in a very healthy position; there are six courses (one of which is Brittania) and there are also currently elevan KLM/KLS students plus a couple of modular CPL/IR students. It´s busy enough to bet you that it´s not going to fold any time in the near future.
As for whether you do modular or integrated. I´d go integrated any day. For a start; you get it finished in one go. There is no messing around and the environment you live in, at least here in Jerez, lends itself very nicely to supporting and getting you through without too much hassle. The help is there whenever you want it.
As for job prospects. I can only tell you what i´ve heard and that is Airlines who have visited saying that integrated is "more attractive" to them than modular. The training you get makes you a more rounded Pilot, the continuity is the key and they like that.
As for the cost, well... you "pay to play!" It´s as simple as that.
Good luck with your career.
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Ricardo82, thanks for the info. But are you saying that integrated pilots are better than modular pilots? If so then Jerez saw you coming with your €92,000
I know several students who went modular through a flight school nearby and they have gotten a job within weeks of graduating.
I know several students who went modular through a flight school nearby and they have gotten a job within weeks of graduating.
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by angelsonefife:
as moggie was one of those made redundant, he is unlikely to be in the vanguard of the cheerleaders now!
(PS: he's also been banned from PPRUNE for telling one of the mods what he thought of him and his duff advice on MCC!)
Anyway come office hours tomorrow machonepointnine will refute all again as he has taken moggie's place as cheerleader.
(PS: he's also been banned from PPRUNE for telling one of the mods what he thought of him and his duff advice on MCC!)
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Give me a break!
I never said integrated was better than modular. I said that from what i "had heard" , Airlines prefere integrated pilots. If you are modular and have a chip on your shoulder about it, go and ask the airlines. Don't rely on what you hear on PPRUNE. And don't start getting all touchy about it, it's so tiring! You make me think you're envious of integrated Pilots which you blatently are.
All i'll say from my own experience is that integrated seems to be the better way to go. Not because of employement prospects but because of the way the training is conducted. I thought about modular, i got my PPL, but at the end of the day it seemed like too much hassle trying to find different ways of obtaining the ATPL's and the flying licences. What could be easier than going to a college and having the training organised for you and coming out with the licence at the end of it? Don't start giving all this rubbish about glossy brochures and how you are suckered into it. I'm sorry but, you get what you pay for!
It's your choice, Just don't complain on PPRUNE about how you think integrated get treated better than modular!
All i'll say from my own experience is that integrated seems to be the better way to go. Not because of employement prospects but because of the way the training is conducted. I thought about modular, i got my PPL, but at the end of the day it seemed like too much hassle trying to find different ways of obtaining the ATPL's and the flying licences. What could be easier than going to a college and having the training organised for you and coming out with the licence at the end of it? Don't start giving all this rubbish about glossy brochures and how you are suckered into it. I'm sorry but, you get what you pay for!
It's your choice, Just don't complain on PPRUNE about how you think integrated get treated better than modular!
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Its always up to the individual.Me well I looked at both modualr and integrated.Already holding my PPL I've decided to go down the modular route with all the rest of my training being done at the ONE training establishment and on a full-time basis.
This integrated vs modular arguement gets a bit tedious.Those wishing o embark on training need to review their own situations and what they are willing to "risk."Take onboard all the information you can from as many different sources and make an informed decision.
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This integrated vs modular arguement gets a bit tedious.Those wishing o embark on training need to review their own situations and what they are willing to "risk."Take onboard all the information you can from as many different sources and make an informed decision.
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Jerez
FlyUk is right, you need to check it out for yourself. When you consider the amount of money you´re investing what´s €100 - €200 to visit?
The atmosphere here at the moment is very positive, we´ve had BA here last week and Britannia are here tomorrow. All good news at this time. KLM are here too. Isn´t that enough endorsements?
Pay us a visit the pool´s still open! What´s the weather like in Oxford at the moment?
The atmosphere here at the moment is very positive, we´ve had BA here last week and Britannia are here tomorrow. All good news at this time. KLM are here too. Isn´t that enough endorsements?
Pay us a visit the pool´s still open! What´s the weather like in Oxford at the moment?
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Ricardo82, I don’t have a chip on my shoulder and I am NOT envious of integrated students. I personally can’t justify paying that kind of money when I can get the same licence for nearly half the price.
By the way, I am not trying to start a fight I do agree with most of what your saying, but I am not going to pay someone over €40,000 to "organise" my training when I can do it myself!
Finally, I am sure that Jerez is a very good flight school, but I am not going to give my business to a company who degrades one of their cheaper products just so they can sell me their more expensive and profit making product
By the way, I am not trying to start a fight
I do agree with most of what your saying, but I am not going to pay someone over €40,000 to "organise" my training when I can do it myself! Finally, I am sure that Jerez is a very good flight school, but I am not going to give my business to a company who degrades one of their cheaper products just so they can sell me their more expensive and profit making product
Just out of intrest, is it possible to do each module at Jertz, without actuly buying the intergrate package. I would love to go there fora a year and do my training but I dont have that kind of money and I dont think I could justify it, when i can get my traiing done and get a type rating if i wanted one. So question, can you do modules at Jertz?
EDIT: Well answerd my own question, you can do modueles at jertz! I might give them a visit in a years time, see what they are like.
EDIT: Well answerd my own question, you can do modueles at jertz! I might give them a visit in a years time, see what they are like.
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At the end of the day, the idea is to make yourself as employable as possible,....... Airlines know exactly what they are getting when they see an Oxford or Jerez graduate, therefore you are more likely to get the nod for an interview,.......In my opinion, thats what the extra money pays for.
The results speak for themselves if you ask me. I graduated exactly a year ago from Jerez, in a class of 13. Of that 13, 8 are already flying jets.
Nuff said,
Be good boys and girls,
Frank
The results speak for themselves if you ask me. I graduated exactly a year ago from Jerez, in a class of 13. Of that 13, 8 are already flying jets.
Nuff said,
Be good boys and girls,
Frank
Frank (good name by the way) - you had a good class who have done well. The average would be far less and you quote no figures for a similar group of modular grads.
I have an old friend who completed modular training at a small out of the way FTO and ALL 7 training at the same time as him now fly for British airlines. Things certainly have picked up. The case for the £25,000 Integrated premium remains to be conclusively made I am afraid.
Glad it worked for you though.
Cheers
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I have an old friend who completed modular training at a small out of the way FTO and ALL 7 training at the same time as him now fly for British airlines. Things certainly have picked up. The case for the £25,000 Integrated premium remains to be conclusively made I am afraid.
Glad it worked for you though.
Cheers
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R T Jones, I did my PPL in Cumbria, then went on to Jerez, although I must say my PPL had lapsed (due cash). You will start from scratch at Jerez (and most other training schools), ie straight and level 1............ this helps maintain standards and quality,..... apparently!
WWW - Our Class has had the worst recruitment record from the 3 courses either side of us! I guess it is more likely a case of the times being good too.
Personally I saved up and started training when there was a recession in the airline industry with the view to hopping on the ladder when the recovery happened - all gone to plan really.
As long as you think the good times will last for 2 more years (when it is likely you will finish training), it may be worth a shout.
FP
WWW - Our Class has had the worst recruitment record from the 3 courses either side of us! I guess it is more likely a case of the times being good too.
Personally I saved up and started training when there was a recession in the airline industry with the view to hopping on the ladder when the recovery happened - all gone to plan really.
As long as you think the good times will last for 2 more years (when it is likely you will finish training), it may be worth a shout.
FP
well i reckon going to uni is a good idea because its a good backup plan. so i wouldnt be done with that for 5 years, when the industry will be in a downturn again 
so u have to do intergrated at jertz, u cant do modules there?
so u have to do intergrated at jertz, u cant do modules there?
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Jerez certainly allows you to do Modular as i looked at that way myself.However they then told me they couldn't offer the ATPL groundschool due to lack of numbers but could do it if I went integrated.
As for the rest you can go modular but I wish to do all my modular training at one establishment on a full-time basis.So now its of to Oxford for myself! Everyone to their own ways I guess.
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As for the rest you can go modular but I wish to do all my modular training at one establishment on a full-time basis.So now its of to Oxford for myself!
Everyone to their own ways I guess.Regards
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RT Jones, I reckon going to uni is the best idea, especially if you’re still young. You wont get the same chance again.
Same story with me as with EGAC_Ramper, Jerez can only offer modular flying, they haven't got enough to do modular ground school. Seems like a common problem with schools (or maybe its a tactic to get students to do their integrated course).
I have a PPL with over 130 hours and there’s no way I'm going to do an integrated course and have to do the PPL training all over again. So it’s modular all the way for me.
Same story with me as with EGAC_Ramper, Jerez can only offer modular flying, they haven't got enough to do modular ground school. Seems like a common problem with schools (or maybe its a tactic to get students to do their integrated course).
I have a PPL with over 130 hours and there’s no way I'm going to do an integrated course and have to do the PPL training all over again. So it’s modular all the way for me.
