Oxford vs Bournemouth eptauk
Oxford vs Bournemouth eptauk
This is my first post and I'm sure you've all answered similar questions before, but I really not sure which route to take.
My aim is to fast track into the airlines and I have the avaiable finance through money which has been left to me by a relative who has passed away. This should be enough to pay for a full intergrated course, but my concern is having spent all this money that I won't get a position in the airlines.
I've done the oxford selection and succeeded and I also have applied to ctcmcalpine for the phase 2 section. The plan was if I didn't succeed with the ctcmcalpine ( with strong competition is very likely) I would go to the oxford intergrated course. in october. I have a ppl with 90 hours which 20 are on the Mooney M20J (complex single) and have been advised that I would be better doing a modular course.
I like the bournemouth city and have heard good things about EPTAUK especially from a certain member of pprune. I am aware of making a mistake in my choice to achieve my ambition and wonder whether I would be better doing a cheaper modular course such as EPTAUK and use the remaining funds to self finance a type rating.
Any help or oponions much appreciated.
Mooneyboy
My aim is to fast track into the airlines and I have the avaiable finance through money which has been left to me by a relative who has passed away. This should be enough to pay for a full intergrated course, but my concern is having spent all this money that I won't get a position in the airlines.
I've done the oxford selection and succeeded and I also have applied to ctcmcalpine for the phase 2 section. The plan was if I didn't succeed with the ctcmcalpine ( with strong competition is very likely) I would go to the oxford intergrated course. in october. I have a ppl with 90 hours which 20 are on the Mooney M20J (complex single) and have been advised that I would be better doing a modular course.
I like the bournemouth city and have heard good things about EPTAUK especially from a certain member of pprune. I am aware of making a mistake in my choice to achieve my ambition and wonder whether I would be better doing a cheaper modular course such as EPTAUK and use the remaining funds to self finance a type rating.
Any help or oponions much appreciated.
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Mooneyboy, I suspect TRon's post was in response to you mentioning self financing a type rating (At least that's how I felt when I read your post). Look for threads that have already discussed this subject in detail.
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Eye eye mooney boy, I suppose Im in a similarish situation but Im tryin to decide whether or not to complete my PPL before I go to either oxford or Jerez. Ive done sooo much research into flight schools ground schools etc etc and have arrived at the general idea that I will be better off with integrated training. I don't care what people say that it doesn't make a **** of difference for jobs, I think at the moment that it does. There seems to be a preference and it it seems safer.
Perhaps you're in a similar situation. Id rather pay the extra bit of money to have a fast track intense sound training course in which I live and breathe flying for 18 months, rather than going here and there everywhere and fartin about with different schools etc.
But then again you're right that you can save the cash for either flying time or a type rating or whatever and maybe it doesnt make a difference for jobs. Its tough decision eh? Let me know what you end up deciding to do. Sorry this post hasn't been much help!
Perhaps you're in a similar situation. Id rather pay the extra bit of money to have a fast track intense sound training course in which I live and breathe flying for 18 months, rather than going here and there everywhere and fartin about with different schools etc.
But then again you're right that you can save the cash for either flying time or a type rating or whatever and maybe it doesnt make a difference for jobs. Its tough decision eh? Let me know what you end up deciding to do. Sorry this post hasn't been much help!
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Hi
I attended EPTA last may for my Ir and MCC,
I would recommend them to anyone - Andy Hogg got me through the IR. Liz, is frendly and so is jane.
You hear good and Bad things about all schools - would recommend a visit to any school u r interested in.
Did my ground school with PPSC when it was running and Keith Williams and Derek Haughton now work for epta. Would say they were the best from PPSC and not forgetting John Hooper who is now with OATS - agreed John !!!! YES!
I attended EPTA last may for my Ir and MCC,
I would recommend them to anyone - Andy Hogg got me through the IR. Liz, is frendly and so is jane.
You hear good and Bad things about all schools - would recommend a visit to any school u r interested in.
Did my ground school with PPSC when it was running and Keith Williams and Derek Haughton now work for epta. Would say they were the best from PPSC and not forgetting John Hooper who is now with OATS - agreed John !!!! YES!
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Im going modular and aint "farting about" for however long it takes.I already have my PPL and will have 100TT by commencement of groundschool at Oxford.Then I'm just steamrollering my way through it all in one big continuous session.
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Thanks for the replies.
I understand Stoney about the issue over paying for your own type ratings. At the end of the day there will be someone who will self finance a type rating and will probaly stand a better chance of getting into an airline than someone with a ATPL. Obviously it depends on what type rating you get and what the market wants.
If I was a very low hour ppl or hadn't quite completed my ppl like The Butler then yes I would have gone for an intergrated course such as at oxford. However with 90 hours you tend to wonder whether you'll get much saving in terms of hours with the intergrated route. If the intergrated course doesn't give you a big saving for you alreading having a PPL then it makes the PPL you gained seem worthless.
If I completed my frozen ATPL in 16 months like Flying farmer by the modular route then I would be very happy however I wouldn't mind knowing why it cost more for you (as long as it isn't a sensitive issue).
Lastly to GMIMA, I will definately take a look at bournemouth since yourself and a number of other sources have said good things about EPTAUK.
Once again thanks for the replies and any more advice would be a great help
Mooneyboy
I understand Stoney about the issue over paying for your own type ratings. At the end of the day there will be someone who will self finance a type rating and will probaly stand a better chance of getting into an airline than someone with a ATPL. Obviously it depends on what type rating you get and what the market wants.
If I was a very low hour ppl or hadn't quite completed my ppl like The Butler then yes I would have gone for an intergrated course such as at oxford. However with 90 hours you tend to wonder whether you'll get much saving in terms of hours with the intergrated route. If the intergrated course doesn't give you a big saving for you alreading having a PPL then it makes the PPL you gained seem worthless.
If I completed my frozen ATPL in 16 months like Flying farmer by the modular route then I would be very happy however I wouldn't mind knowing why it cost more for you (as long as it isn't a sensitive issue).
Lastly to GMIMA, I will definately take a look at bournemouth since yourself and a number of other sources have said good things about EPTAUK.
Once again thanks for the replies and any more advice would be a great help
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Farmer boy that must have taken a lot of farting about to complete your modular in 16 months! Well done anyway.
Mooney man, if you do decide to go integrated then check beforehand how they will convert your flying time. One school I asked said if I had a PPL they would take 20 hours off it or come to some agreement with the total cost of the course.
Keep an eye on my post 'PPL then integrated course?' for anything about this. Like you say though, it could render your PPL seemingly worthless, however you'd be well ahead of others when it came to practical traing and would be able to relate the theory so much easier.
Mooney man, if you do decide to go integrated then check beforehand how they will convert your flying time. One school I asked said if I had a PPL they would take 20 hours off it or come to some agreement with the total cost of the course.
Keep an eye on my post 'PPL then integrated course?' for anything about this. Like you say though, it could render your PPL seemingly worthless, however you'd be well ahead of others when it came to practical traing and would be able to relate the theory so much easier.
The Butler - I bet you that I could do a Modular course faster than you could do an Integrated course at OATS right now. Furthermore it would cost tens of thousands of pounds less.
I would walk out of my front door this morning and go to someone like Aeros at Staverton, enrol for a PPL course and go on the first flight this afternoon. See the doc tomorrow for a medical and then do 2 hours flying a day for the rest of the month and have my PPL issued in Sept.
I'd then hop on a big shiny plane to Florida where its not a bad time to bang out some hour building. I'd knock on the door of, say Naples, get checked out and flying within 48hrs. I reckon I could knock off 100hrs in three weeks so by the end of Oct I'd be back in Blighty. Where I'd hot foot it down to see Alex Whittingham in Bristol who'd sort me out with an excellent ATPL groundschool distance learning package.
I'd tackle that full time 8hrs a day and do the brush up courses to prepare me for the first exam series in the New Year. I'd be ready to complete the ATPL exam series in March. April is a lovely time to start a CPL MULTI and IR course and conveniently for me Westflight at my local airfield in Staverton would find me a place in their school which has 3 veeery experienced instructor with an aircraft each and only 2 students apiece to look after. (Top tip with flying schools - ask about instructor to aircraft to student ratios - then follow up with a question about servicability!)
It would take only 3 months allowing for weekends off and bad weather to complete all the training. Oh, add a week on the end there for an MCC course wherever its quickest and cheapest.
Then its off down to Gatwick with a bundle of paperwork and licenses to have a shiny new CPL/IR Frzn ATPL minted. Unfortunately I might get stuck in the July M25 start of school holidays traffic.
By which point I suspect you at your large FTO would just about be passing progress test 2.
Whilst belting out 200 pointless CV's I would be chatting to my old chums at Westflight or Aeros about the possibility of doing an FI rating with the spare £20k I've still got left. After no airline jumps to hire me I spend most of August and September doing the FI rating. October is not the busiest time for flying schools but luckily for me two instructors at Aeros just got the good news that Netjets wanted one of them and BACX the other.
As this news spreads throughout the hangar I hurredly make my way to the CFIs office nervously straightening my tie. 5 minutes later I leave the office with a new job that never got close to being advertised.
Its now late October and I am really enjoying my new life buzzing about the skies of Gloucestershire being paid. My car is old and my bank manager menacing but I only spent £50,000, I am earning enough to get by on for now and I'm being very nice to everyone at the airfield including the bizjet charter outfit in the hangar across the way. I hear they might be getting a new aircraft in the New Year...
Meanwhile you are, 15 months later, desperately trying to secure an aircraft, a test slot and a decent bit of weather to take your IRT. You've attended the recent careers pep talk and your CV is a thing of beauty. You're £70k in an not quite there yet but you have high hopes. Someone on the course the one before yours got a job, apparently, with Ryanair and he reckons that they will be looking for at least 10 more next month. You have high hopes.
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I would walk out of my front door this morning and go to someone like Aeros at Staverton, enrol for a PPL course and go on the first flight this afternoon. See the doc tomorrow for a medical and then do 2 hours flying a day for the rest of the month and have my PPL issued in Sept.
I'd then hop on a big shiny plane to Florida where its not a bad time to bang out some hour building. I'd knock on the door of, say Naples, get checked out and flying within 48hrs. I reckon I could knock off 100hrs in three weeks so by the end of Oct I'd be back in Blighty. Where I'd hot foot it down to see Alex Whittingham in Bristol who'd sort me out with an excellent ATPL groundschool distance learning package.
I'd tackle that full time 8hrs a day and do the brush up courses to prepare me for the first exam series in the New Year. I'd be ready to complete the ATPL exam series in March. April is a lovely time to start a CPL MULTI and IR course and conveniently for me Westflight at my local airfield in Staverton would find me a place in their school which has 3 veeery experienced instructor with an aircraft each and only 2 students apiece to look after. (Top tip with flying schools - ask about instructor to aircraft to student ratios - then follow up with a question about servicability!)
It would take only 3 months allowing for weekends off and bad weather to complete all the training. Oh, add a week on the end there for an MCC course wherever its quickest and cheapest.
Then its off down to Gatwick with a bundle of paperwork and licenses to have a shiny new CPL/IR Frzn ATPL minted. Unfortunately I might get stuck in the July M25 start of school holidays traffic.
By which point I suspect you at your large FTO would just about be passing progress test 2.
Whilst belting out 200 pointless CV's I would be chatting to my old chums at Westflight or Aeros about the possibility of doing an FI rating with the spare £20k I've still got left. After no airline jumps to hire me I spend most of August and September doing the FI rating. October is not the busiest time for flying schools but luckily for me two instructors at Aeros just got the good news that Netjets wanted one of them and BACX the other.
As this news spreads throughout the hangar I hurredly make my way to the CFIs office nervously straightening my tie. 5 minutes later I leave the office with a new job that never got close to being advertised.
Its now late October and I am really enjoying my new life buzzing about the skies of Gloucestershire being paid. My car is old and my bank manager menacing but I only spent £50,000, I am earning enough to get by on for now and I'm being very nice to everyone at the airfield including the bizjet charter outfit in the hangar across the way. I hear they might be getting a new aircraft in the New Year...
Meanwhile you are, 15 months later, desperately trying to secure an aircraft, a test slot and a decent bit of weather to take your IRT. You've attended the recent careers pep talk and your CV is a thing of beauty. You're £70k in an not quite there yet but you have high hopes. Someone on the course the one before yours got a job, apparently, with Ryanair and he reckons that they will be looking for at least 10 more next month. You have high hopes.
Cheers
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Be nice wouldn't it?
Integrated is more expensive, can take longer, offers less flexibility, trains to the same standard and gives no competitive advantage at present.
Of the hiring I can think of done over the last couple of years by any UK airline NONE of it would have excluded a self sponsored modular student.
Do the FTO's offering integrated courses admit this I wonder? Do people ever ask?
Cheers
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Integrated is more expensive, can take longer, offers less flexibility, trains to the same standard and gives no competitive advantage at present.
Of the hiring I can think of done over the last couple of years by any UK airline NONE of it would have excluded a self sponsored modular student.
Do the FTO's offering integrated courses admit this I wonder? Do people ever ask?
Cheers
WWW
I feel myself drawn even more to the modular system. Has the Butler visited OATS and a modular place?
Just wondering to the Wee Weasely Welshman whether you are an airline pilot since you seem confident of your skills to complete an ATPL quickly. You sound as if you know what your talking about so are you in the industy ( hope this isn't a rude question as I don't know yet the unwritten rules of pprune) ? Also do you know welshpool airfield since your welsh.
Nice weather today but Mooney gone for a week.
Mooneyboy
Just wondering to the Wee Weasely Welshman whether you are an airline pilot since you seem confident of your skills to complete an ATPL quickly. You sound as if you know what your talking about so are you in the industy ( hope this isn't a rude question as I don't know yet the unwritten rules of pprune) ? Also do you know welshpool airfield since your welsh.
Nice weather today but Mooney gone for a week.
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WWW......
That training plan should be posted at the top of the Wannabes section as I think it would save a lot of typing time answering the same questions over and over.
I'm sure some of you must have carpal tunnel syndrome at this stage!
Thanks for the post!
Wayne
That training plan should be posted at the top of the Wannabes section as I think it would save a lot of typing time answering the same questions over and over.
I'm sure some of you must have carpal tunnel syndrome at this stage!
Thanks for the post!
Wayne
MooneyBoy - yes I am a 737 FO with about 4,500hrs TT and I used to be a PPL instructor at Welshpool and a CPL IR instructor at BAE in Jerez. I've done the self sponsored route by what would now be known as the modular route. I know people who have done it every which way with and without success over the years. I've also been moderating these pages for about 5 years now. I know a bit about flying training but by no means it all.
Integrated can suit some. I don't see the point at the moment. That may change if a hiring boom occurs as it did slightly in 1999, 2000, early 2001.
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Integrated can suit some. I don't see the point at the moment. That may change if a hiring boom occurs as it did slightly in 1999, 2000, early 2001.
Cheers
WWW
OK, I will. It doesn't say (correcting your grammar) "Only Oxford APP candidates need apply". It says that they prefer to recruit F/Os with 1,000hrs TT and either jet or EFIS turboprop experience. However, if (ever) and when that pool dries up they may consider low hours F/Os who have undergone an integrated course of training (Oxford, Cabair and FTE currently offer such courses) and a structured jet orientation bridging course (Oxford, FTE and CTC offer such courses). There is, as yet, no proven advantage to the Oxford APP course (except to OAT's cashflow, of course).
To Weasely Welshman. I started training at Welshpool until it closed due to the conflict. You may have instructed me since at the time I was quite young. Do you remember a new red PA34?
I was emailed about a site which follows the oxford APP classes and the job section makes for an interesting read. Anyone looking at APP should have a look.
www.mikechannon.com.
Once again guys and girls thanks for the replies
Mooneyboy
I was emailed about a site which follows the oxford APP classes and the job section makes for an interesting read. Anyone looking at APP should have a look.
www.mikechannon.com.
Once again guys and girls thanks for the replies
Mooneyboy
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True CTC have their "Advanced Handling" course. But this seems to be used to select trained candidates for placement to Monarch and EasyJet. I imagine you would have a hard time explaining why that didn't come to pass.
Cabair don't seem to list one on their syllabus.
Not familiar with FTE or the others.
My personal conclusion is that to go out of their way to write "Integrated" and "Jet Bridging" in thier requirements they have something very specific in mind.
/awaiting castigation for missing punctuation and bad smelling.
Cabair don't seem to list one on their syllabus.
Not familiar with FTE or the others.
My personal conclusion is that to go out of their way to write "Integrated" and "Jet Bridging" in thier requirements they have something very specific in mind.
/awaiting castigation for missing punctuation and bad smelling.