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How much would you pay for a training course? and where?
Isn't PTC's €85k, c. £60k the going rate for these training courses?- (c. £63k after the MCC addon). I know Cabair's is about £58k but not including accommodation, Oxford is over £60k as are FTE and CTC. If I can get the qualifications at a cheaper place should I? Does it really matter where you train? I'm worried you see because I've so far been to 2 assessment days (CTC and PTC) each costing about £200 before travel and accommodation. I know it's a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of the course itself but I haven't got that much money to chuck about applying to different places- so where should I go next? It would be great if we lived in a world where companies did not rip off people pursuing their dreams but we don't!
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Cost of Training
Hi Guys
I'm looking very closely at various threads on forums and speaking to guys who have already been through the process of dropping 70/80k on training. I have been advised to do the CPL Multi in the US and then look to where to do the Multi IR, PTC will get you there and good on the CV, Stapleford is interesting as they have full time IR instructors and on the field accomadation, its PTC or the UK for the Multi IR for me any input would be appreciated.
Anyone know of good bad things about Ormund beach in Florida???????
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I'm looking very closely at various threads on forums and speaking to guys who have already been through the process of dropping 70/80k on training. I have been advised to do the CPL Multi in the US and then look to where to do the Multi IR, PTC will get you there and good on the CV, Stapleford is interesting as they have full time IR instructors and on the field accomadation, its PTC or the UK for the Multi IR for me any input would be appreciated.
Anyone know of good bad things about Ormund beach in Florida???????
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Ok captain planet, is it safe to assume you dont have any kind of credible source for your statistic about less than 10% of people who sit ptc's evaluation decide to do their course?
Someone pulling something outta their arse on pprune?? never!!
Someone pulling something outta their arse on pprune?? never!!
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hi everybody,
have ptc waterford got the new simulator yet for the instrument rating course, i asked them about it at flyer event in dublin and they said they would have at start of november. how do people find the instrument rating course , is it good or should i consider other options? any opinions appreciated.
cheers macflea
have ptc waterford got the new simulator yet for the instrument rating course, i asked them about it at flyer event in dublin and they said they would have at start of november. how do people find the instrument rating course , is it good or should i consider other options? any opinions appreciated.
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Isn't PTC's €85k, c. £60k the going rate for these training courses?-
As a matter of interest, has anyone the latest break down of this €85k?
MacFlea-
I was in touch with PTC regarding the ME/IR last year and thought the price quoted was extremely high. Didn't think any more of it and then received a phone call following up on my initial query.
I told the girl on the phone I thought the course was over-priced, so I asked them if they had a sim, and if I could do hours on the sim to bring the cost down. To say that I had the head bitten off me was an understatement. I was given this rehearsed schpeel from this girl, who I found quite agressive (I would like to point out, that it wasn't Siobhan-I spoke with Siobhan a few times previously and found her very friendly) that airlines don't want to see 1 hour of FNPT2 in you logbook and that sim hours towards the IR were a huge no-no.
Well, I was very taken aback by the tone and was surprised at this statement that the airlines don't like FNPT2 hours etc...especially confusing when I thought of a number of my friends who had just gotten airline jobs with FNPT2 time logged towards the IR. Also, I worked at the time in pilot recruitment and was aware that this was not the case.
I did my IR and about 4 months later I got a phonecall from PTC asking if I would be interested in the IR course and that they were getting a brand new spanking FNPT2. So, if they-sorry, the airlines- were so against it, why bring one in?!?!
On another note-
i went to the flyer show in Dublin and was amazed at how strong the PTC marketing was. Especially with all of the girls they had dressed up as pilots.
Unbelievable.
Smart girl, have you got a boyfriend my dear...?
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Sim
Macflea,
I can confirm that the Sim is up and running in PTC at the moment. I've used it myself.
Pipergirl - As far as I know the only difference in the course for the increase in price is that you will not come back from the US with less than 170 hours. The rest is the same again as far as I know.
DeA320
I can confirm that the Sim is up and running in PTC at the moment. I've used it myself.
Pipergirl - As far as I know the only difference in the course for the increase in price is that you will not come back from the US with less than 170 hours. The rest is the same again as far as I know.
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you will not come back from the US with less than 170 hours.
Surely, it is be cheaper to do a PPL with hour building yourself and then head to PTC to do the CPL ME IR?!?
Why pay them large sums of money to send you to the US, when you could do that yourself for a fraction of what they are charging?
Just seems ludicrous!
most of the girls you refer to are pilots. With the exception of the persons mentioned above in your post.
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Well my excuse would be to say it was an educated guess
To be honest I wouldn't say I'm too far off the mark, if 40% of guys that did the assessment signed up that would be quite alot!!
CP.
Ok captain planet, is it safe to assume you dont have any kind of credible source for your statistic about less than 10% of people who sit ptc's evaluation decide to do their course?
Someone pulling something outta their arse on pprune?? never!!
Someone pulling something outta their arse on pprune?? never!!
To be honest I wouldn't say I'm too far off the mark, if 40% of guys that did the assessment signed up that would be quite alot!!
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Hey Pipergirl,
I recently priced up two options for me:
1st- doing PTCs course costing after all other costs about £67k
2nd- going to do my training (P/C/I/ME) with FSA in Florida and then convert back to JAA with PTC costing me with all other costs I could think of around £51k
-both prices above include all expenses I can see as well as the MCC at Parc.
bet you can guess which one I'm favouring atm!
Would you think that is a reasonable price or should I look for an even cheaper way?
ChillyDogg
I recently priced up two options for me:
1st- doing PTCs course costing after all other costs about £67k
2nd- going to do my training (P/C/I/ME) with FSA in Florida and then convert back to JAA with PTC costing me with all other costs I could think of around £51k
-both prices above include all expenses I can see as well as the MCC at Parc.
bet you can guess which one I'm favouring atm!
Would you think that is a reasonable price or should I look for an even cheaper way?
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To All future Pilots
If you go cheap don't expect an easy ride to get a job.
The majority of Chief Pilots favour the integrated route, where all the studies, flying, testing and MCC have been at one CAA approved training establishment.
Modular is on its way out, the UK CAA is about to change its rules on modular training I am told.
Bite the bullet on cost now it will pay dividends in the future.
The choices of training schools are increasing, research carefully and enter the one best suited to you.
Good Luck to you ALL
From an old .... about to consider retiring.
If you go cheap don't expect an easy ride to get a job.
The majority of Chief Pilots favour the integrated route, where all the studies, flying, testing and MCC have been at one CAA approved training establishment.
Modular is on its way out, the UK CAA is about to change its rules on modular training I am told.
Bite the bullet on cost now it will pay dividends in the future.
The choices of training schools are increasing, research carefully and enter the one best suited to you.
Good Luck to you ALL
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Wouldn't be an advocate of doing things on the cheap generally, but if PTC are charging you-from Chillydog's calculations an extra £16,000..that is a huge sum of money.
Generally, flight training on the super cheap is not advised nor is paying through the nose for training. I think a school like PTC, in my opinion are being rather cheeky charging such extortionate prices, especially with what they are offering. And to charge people for this "assessment"-i think it is a money making racket. Anyone who is foolish enough to do it, has more money than sense.
Again, with any school-
talk to very recent pupils and make sure they give good instruction.
You don't want flight training on the mega cheap nor too expensive..just reasonable.
Generally, flight training on the super cheap is not advised nor is paying through the nose for training. I think a school like PTC, in my opinion are being rather cheeky charging such extortionate prices, especially with what they are offering. And to charge people for this "assessment"-i think it is a money making racket. Anyone who is foolish enough to do it, has more money than sense.
Again, with any school-
talk to very recent pupils and make sure they give good instruction.
You don't want flight training on the mega cheap nor too expensive..just reasonable.
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Well my excuse would be to say it was an educated guess
To be honest I wouldn't say I'm too far off the mark, if 40% of guys that did the assessment signed up that would be quite alot!!
CP.
To be honest I wouldn't say I'm too far off the mark, if 40% of guys that did the assessment signed up that would be quite alot!!
CP.
The fact of the matter is you dont have a clue what youre talking about my friend. Goes to show anyone considering PTC - check them out for yourselves, talk to actual PTC students and make your own mind up. Take this thread with large pinch of salt.
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Paying for an assesment
Well why should it be done free of charge ?
The Compass tests are from a company that has specialised in this field and as a third party user the training establishments have to pay for their use.
Simulator or aircraft ride.
Sims or FNPT2 trainers are cheaper to operate than aircraft but still cost money to operate, i.e. Electricy, Maintainance etc.
Aircraft cost speak for themselves.
Plus the time for the assessors, the person debriefing and all the admin to arrange the assessments, changes etc.
You don't get ow't for now't, not in these times.
If you chose a high cost career expect to pay, unless you get Her Majesty to do the training.
Well why should it be done free of charge ?
The Compass tests are from a company that has specialised in this field and as a third party user the training establishments have to pay for their use.
Simulator or aircraft ride.
Sims or FNPT2 trainers are cheaper to operate than aircraft but still cost money to operate, i.e. Electricy, Maintainance etc.
Aircraft cost speak for themselves.
Plus the time for the assessors, the person debriefing and all the admin to arrange the assessments, changes etc.
You don't get ow't for now't, not in these times.
If you chose a high cost career expect to pay, unless you get Her Majesty to do the training.
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Mr Coleman, I'll have you know that I am quite well informed about PTC, and by the way my last post was made as a joke.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion,I have mine and you have yours, end of discussion.
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Everybody is entitled to their opinion,I have mine and you have yours, end of discussion.
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Yes everyone is entitled to their opinions, but people should not state their opinions as 'fact' when it is quite clearly made up garbage.
Like you say, i also have my opinions about PTC, and as a current student at PTC, i have a feeling my opinions are alot more accurate than yours are.
I'm not saying PTC are perfect, theyre not, but some of the rubbish ive seen written on this thread about them is laughable.
Like you say, i also have my opinions about PTC, and as a current student at PTC, i have a feeling my opinions are alot more accurate than yours are.
I'm not saying PTC are perfect, theyre not, but some of the rubbish ive seen written on this thread about them is laughable.
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Modular on way out??
To Night fr8
Can you enlighten us further?? If all modular is to go makes any integrated course more attractive!!
To All future Pilots
If you go cheap don't expect an easy ride to get a job.
The majority of Chief Pilots favour the integrated route, where all the studies, flying, testing and MCC have been at one CAA approved training establishment.
Modular is on its way out, the UK CAA is about to change its rules on modular training I am told
If you go cheap don't expect an easy ride to get a job.
The majority of Chief Pilots favour the integrated route, where all the studies, flying, testing and MCC have been at one CAA approved training establishment.
Modular is on its way out, the UK CAA is about to change its rules on modular training I am told
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I cannot be certain (100%) that modular is on its way out soon, but with the introduction of the new MPL this route will no longer be available.
I am not privy to the CAA plans but do know what most recruiters prefer, and give preference to, for low hours pilots, and that is the integrated route.
If you want to give yourself the best chance go Integrated.
If you must go Modular then do all your training at the same training establishment, on a scheme similar to the "Waypoint" program.
I am not privy to the CAA plans but do know what most recruiters prefer, and give preference to, for low hours pilots, and that is the integrated route.
If you want to give yourself the best chance go Integrated.
If you must go Modular then do all your training at the same training establishment, on a scheme similar to the "Waypoint" program.