New FAA to JAA conversion rules?
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Sorry guys, I am sure this has been beaten to death but opinion seems to keep clouding the actual information.
I just want to convert an FAA ATP to a JAA to try for an Asia job (family is there).
I have been left seat in 121 for years and thousands of hours and just was wondering if this is a conversion that can be done in the us. Is it required to attend school ? How many test ? Are study materials easy to get? Who do I talk to ?
The next part is just venting...
I see some are a little down on us in the US, sorry. We are a little less involved in red tape and more into moving airplanes. I guess it is because the flying is cheep enough (lucky for you and me) that we can use the plane instead of the pen. Both work very well but… I would rather be with a guy that has 10,000 hours in a plane than 10,000 hours in class. I can say that I learned far more spinning a spanner that thumping a book (done both). Engineers are the last person you want fixing something (I am one but prefer to admit my dirty mechanic hands). I know what an IRS is and I can even point one out in the E&E bay. Bet the average engineer can't. Either way, I am not allowed to replace one as the PIC. If it fails, there is not much I can do inflight to fix it. There is a point where a pilot is too smart for his own good. So many 'know-it-alls' get involved in the problem and forget to fly the plane. We must know how things work but how many rivets in a gear door is anal. We need and MUST have people with both backgrounds and to say that one is better than the other is ludicrous. Sorry, it just yanks my chain when someone thinks real world experience has no value.
I just want to convert an FAA ATP to a JAA to try for an Asia job (family is there).
I have been left seat in 121 for years and thousands of hours and just was wondering if this is a conversion that can be done in the us. Is it required to attend school ? How many test ? Are study materials easy to get? Who do I talk to ?
The next part is just venting...
I see some are a little down on us in the US, sorry. We are a little less involved in red tape and more into moving airplanes. I guess it is because the flying is cheep enough (lucky for you and me) that we can use the plane instead of the pen. Both work very well but… I would rather be with a guy that has 10,000 hours in a plane than 10,000 hours in class. I can say that I learned far more spinning a spanner that thumping a book (done both). Engineers are the last person you want fixing something (I am one but prefer to admit my dirty mechanic hands). I know what an IRS is and I can even point one out in the E&E bay. Bet the average engineer can't. Either way, I am not allowed to replace one as the PIC. If it fails, there is not much I can do inflight to fix it. There is a point where a pilot is too smart for his own good. So many 'know-it-alls' get involved in the problem and forget to fly the plane. We must know how things work but how many rivets in a gear door is anal. We need and MUST have people with both backgrounds and to say that one is better than the other is ludicrous. Sorry, it just yanks my chain when someone thinks real world experience has no value.
Well said the above!
The Brit's (for which I am a proud one) seem to think that they re-invented the wheel when it comes to flying. Almost every day in the UK if somebody asks what licence I have, and I tell them FAA CPL Multi, it usually gets the raised eyebrows. Clearly they are thinking that I am not worthy and very dangerous! My usual reply to them is.......well they designed the Boeing, they built it, test flew it, perfected it and every day a U.S Captain safely navigates his way into Heathrow without killing too many people!
Sorry, I digress from the point of this topic!
The Brit's (for which I am a proud one) seem to think that they re-invented the wheel when it comes to flying. Almost every day in the UK if somebody asks what licence I have, and I tell them FAA CPL Multi, it usually gets the raised eyebrows. Clearly they are thinking that I am not worthy and very dangerous! My usual reply to them is.......well they designed the Boeing, they built it, test flew it, perfected it and every day a U.S Captain safely navigates his way into Heathrow without killing too many people!
Sorry, I digress from the point of this topic!
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FAA and G reg aircraft
Lawn dart,
I might have missed the point, but you can fly a G reg aircraft on a FAA licence. You can also go to France, at night, in a G reg aircraft if you want to. You are not restricted to N reg only....
Darren
I might have missed the point, but you can fly a G reg aircraft on a FAA licence. You can also go to France, at night, in a G reg aircraft if you want to. You are not restricted to N reg only....
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Thanks but I am finding out that Japan is the exception. Just my luck.
Just the same, Kaptain M and others have educated me away from the idea.
ps. LawnDart, that was our nickname for the Lear. Your history?
Thanks but I am finding out that Japan is the exception. Just my luck.
Just the same, Kaptain M and others have educated me away from the idea.
ps. LawnDart, that was our nickname for the Lear. Your history?
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I know JAL was hiring a few months ago, and they were looking for 747 fo's based out of the 50th state and in japan. I belive that all you needed was an ICAO lic. but check them out.
My backround is mostly 121 airline flying, SF-340, EMB-145, MD-80 soon to be 757/767. Trying to get out of commuting across the pond.
The Lawn Dart comes from the EMB-145, or the jungle jet, junk jet.
I'm sure there are more names that others can think of.
Take care,
LDD
My backround is mostly 121 airline flying, SF-340, EMB-145, MD-80 soon to be 757/767. Trying to get out of commuting across the pond.
The Lawn Dart comes from the EMB-145, or the jungle jet, junk jet.
I'm sure there are more names that others can think of.
Take care,
LDD
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New rules will always aim to ensure that entrenched vested interest is locked-in
The MPL is upsetting the applecart however as the airlines of Europe will want to have the same training routes available to them as the rest of the world. MPL goes live 2007.
PPL then straight to RHS of a airline sim. This will training reduce costs. No more flying round and round an NDB in a light aircraft at £6.00 per minute....
The MPL is upsetting the applecart however as the airlines of Europe will want to have the same training routes available to them as the rest of the world. MPL goes live 2007.
PPL then straight to RHS of a airline sim. This will training reduce costs. No more flying round and round an NDB in a light aircraft at £6.00 per minute....
The way I understand the rules is that with an FAA certificate you can fly any 'G' reg aircraft privately, in UK airspace only. Not much good if you want to fly for the airlines though.
Maybe I'm wrong with that however.
YS
Maybe I'm wrong with that however.
YS
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I would be very interested to see how this all pans out. As I would like to go to the US towards the back end of 2005 to start my training. I hoped to do an FAA PPL, FAA ME, FAA IR and then FAA CPL then convert to JAA back in the UK and undertake the ATPL stuff in the UK. I wont be able to do this now will I? Oh its all confusing!!!!
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Lawn Dart.- I was mentioning what youngskywalker said. You can fly privately a G reg A/C but unfortunatly not commercial, Which is a real shame. I too have all FAA qualifications, and would like to come back here to fly choppers, but all those exmas are daunting. I have recieved module 1 from BGS and nearly died, I was never the cleaverest, and that scared me to death!! I'm going to start with it soon, after I finsh being sick... I only want to fly helicopters in England, I don't see why I should need to know how to plan a flight across the Atlantic.
Merry Christmas all!!
DarrenLawn Dart
Merry Christmas all!!
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I too have almost died.
Darren999, I also have the BGS #1 and can't get myself to sit down for the next 6 mo. to a year to do the exams.
Maybe you know the answer to this rumour. I flew with a guy last week who said that airlines would hire you with FAA ATP, provided that you converted within one year. I told him that I had not heard of this but would check it out.
Someday when I have a few hours to spend on hold long distance, I will call the CAA and ask them.
Hey Darren, someday you might take a RB-44 over the top so study that polar stuff hard.
Have a good holidy all.
LDD
Maybe you know the answer to this rumour. I flew with a guy last week who said that airlines would hire you with FAA ATP, provided that you converted within one year. I told him that I had not heard of this but would check it out.
Someday when I have a few hours to spend on hold long distance, I will call the CAA and ask them.
Hey Darren, someday you might take a RB-44 over the top so study that polar stuff hard.
Have a good holidy all.
LDD
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Lawn dart,
I must admit I haven't hear that rumour about the FAA ATPL, I do find it hard to believe they would let you convert over like that. Good idea if that's the case! That would give you at least the incentive to study.
Something tells me I won't be taking a RB- 44 over the ice cap, one is, I can't stand the cold, two, never flown one! I am lucky to fly a Bell 47 as an instructor in PA, that's fine with me at the mo. Also just started doing a bit on the 206, now that's fun!
Good luck when you do sit down to study for those exams, I hope to start some time soon. I have a friend who said he can help me long, which would be nice.
Happy New year
Darren
I must admit I haven't hear that rumour about the FAA ATPL, I do find it hard to believe they would let you convert over like that. Good idea if that's the case! That would give you at least the incentive to study.
Something tells me I won't be taking a RB- 44 over the ice cap, one is, I can't stand the cold, two, never flown one! I am lucky to fly a Bell 47 as an instructor in PA, that's fine with me at the mo. Also just started doing a bit on the 206, now that's fun!
Good luck when you do sit down to study for those exams, I hope to start some time soon. I have a friend who said he can help me long, which would be nice.
Happy New year
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Darren, it looks like I will be working close to your area soon. where in PA are you? As soon as I finish 757/767 training I will sit down and study for exams during my 7 hr commute home to LGW.
Who knows maybe they (JAA/CAA) will change their rules for converting.
I'm not holding my breath though.
New years resolution: STUDY FOR EXAMS!
LDD
Who knows maybe they (JAA/CAA) will change their rules for converting.
I'm not holding my breath though.
New years resolution: STUDY FOR EXAMS!
LDD
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LDD,
Good Luck with your training!, I'm sure you will be fine. Once you start on the exams you will get into the swing of things. I'm sure they will be less daunting than we imagine. I may give them a start in the next month or two. I'm based at the Lancaster Airport in PA, it's about 70 miles west of Philly. If your that way give me a heads up, I'll give you a lesson in a Bell 47, if you fancy it.
Anyway take care, good luck with the 737 stuff....
Darren
Good Luck with your training!, I'm sure you will be fine. Once you start on the exams you will get into the swing of things. I'm sure they will be less daunting than we imagine. I may give them a start in the next month or two. I'm based at the Lancaster Airport in PA, it's about 70 miles west of Philly. If your that way give me a heads up, I'll give you a lesson in a Bell 47, if you fancy it.
Anyway take care, good luck with the 737 stuff....
Darren
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THAT WOULD BE GREAT
I love to get a chance to fly in a chopper. I have never been in one in all of my aviation career.
What is the going rate these days?
you're right, I think when we get into studing we shouldn't have a problem.
Are there many chopper jobs in europe or in the UK.
Let me know how it goes.
LDD
What is the going rate these days?
you're right, I think when we get into studing we shouldn't have a problem.
Are there many chopper jobs in europe or in the UK.
Let me know how it goes.
LDD
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Not a problem
LDD,
Not a problem with the ride, I'm sure you will enjoy it. More hands on then what you are used to. Please let me know when your in my neck of the woods. The going rate for the bell 47 is $254 per hr dual, $224 solo hire, I think we are very competative.
Jobs in Europe are very few and far between, I think it's not what you know but who, if you see what I mean...
There are far more oppotunities in the US, larger market. The company I work for has a web site if you want to have a look it's www.dutchcountryhelo.com.
Anyway get your head in those books, how's the sim bits going?
Darren
Not a problem with the ride, I'm sure you will enjoy it. More hands on then what you are used to. Please let me know when your in my neck of the woods. The going rate for the bell 47 is $254 per hr dual, $224 solo hire, I think we are very competative.
Jobs in Europe are very few and far between, I think it's not what you know but who, if you see what I mean...
There are far more oppotunities in the US, larger market. The company I work for has a web site if you want to have a look it's www.dutchcountryhelo.com.
Anyway get your head in those books, how's the sim bits going?
Darren
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Darren, I just flew into LGW yesterday from Houston to see my in-laws. There wasn't enough room on the car for allsix of us so I opted to meet them by train. Well the train wasn't for another hour so I took the bus over to the CAA to get an offical answer on the convertion change.
The word from the guy I talked to was that he had never herd anything like a short test for the more advanced pilot.
I said that's funny a woman I talked to a month ago said that the change could be in 6 months or 2 years from now.
Again he said " I have not herd of this". He was trying to get me out of there because there was 2 guys in uniform waiting for their lic. Anyway it was good to at least check on the status.
The thing is that even if they change the rules we will still need to pass all of the subjects so I might as well study for them (tests) as they are.
I don't start 757/767 ground school until March, but after that's done I will be based in Newark. I think the training is about 5 - 6 weeks with IOE. After this maybe I will take you up on your offer.
Sounds a lot better than sitting in a crashpad all day.
See Ya,
LDD
The word from the guy I talked to was that he had never herd anything like a short test for the more advanced pilot.
I said that's funny a woman I talked to a month ago said that the change could be in 6 months or 2 years from now.
Again he said " I have not herd of this". He was trying to get me out of there because there was 2 guys in uniform waiting for their lic. Anyway it was good to at least check on the status.
The thing is that even if they change the rules we will still need to pass all of the subjects so I might as well study for them (tests) as they are.
I don't start 757/767 ground school until March, but after that's done I will be based in Newark. I think the training is about 5 - 6 weeks with IOE. After this maybe I will take you up on your offer.
Sounds a lot better than sitting in a crashpad all day.
See Ya,
LDD
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LDD,
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, had a little to catch up on here. When you get to Newark, get in touch, would be good to meet up. Good luck with the training, I have had a look at Dragon they seem to be able to do CPL(H), might give them a call.
Regards
Darren
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, had a little to catch up on here. When you get to Newark, get in touch, would be good to meet up. Good luck with the training, I have had a look at Dragon they seem to be able to do CPL(H), might give them a call.
Regards
Darren
