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G-KEST 24th Oct 2017 13:30

Chris, For my three quid I got free coffee, sticky buns and biccies as well as a fascinating illustrated talk so I consider it good value. The venue is excellent and the CAC staff most helpful. They have an interesting programme of monthly talks through the winter.

treadigraph 24th Oct 2017 14:03

G-KEST, excellent post.

airpolice 24th Oct 2017 14:05


She also emphasised that she was accompanied on her flights with another aircraft carrying the support crew and equipment.
Did she mention the presence of a very experienced Pilot in the Stearman with her?

Was there any explanation for the Herne Bay Vdeo comments about her solo flying?

Can we expect her Facebook page to show her actual, instead of falsified, honorary rank any time soon?

cambioso 24th Oct 2017 17:11

Well said Barry. I would like to have been there myself.
Best wishes,
Jez

Chris Martyr 24th Oct 2017 17:11

If Barry's impressed then that's impressive !
Also , if TC-T has seen the light and is now doing positive work for younger and more impressionable people and doing it with a straight bat , then that's also impressive .

It does though ,need to be borne in mind that the internet campaign surrounding her past activities only gathered pace for one reason and not the popularised version of the 'baying wolves gratuitously sniffing for blood' , but rather because intelligent and professional people with impressive aviation backgrounds were awaiting explanations.

An input from Sam may also be interesting too , because without the 'internet hate campaign' , then his reputable business may also have suffered irreparable damage.

If the person in question is indeed showing a little contrition , then that can only be good. Not only for her causes , but also for her.

ak7274 24th Oct 2017 17:25

Well said Barry. I agree

airpolice 24th Oct 2017 17:40

To the people who say that we, that baying wolves, should give it a rest, I can only suggest that the best response would be: We will, if She will.

Crash one 24th Oct 2017 18:50


Originally Posted by airpolice (Post 9935428)
To the people who say that we, that baying wolves, should give it a rest, I can only suggest that the best response would be: We will, if She will.

I can only suggest that this is no better than school playground lynch mob mentality.
If Barry was impressed, I too think that is impressive enough.
Or are we determined to reach the 4000 vitriolic post point just for the hell of it?
Let's get this into perspective, there are at least two people on this planet that are doing far more damage with words than She ever did!

airpolice 24th Oct 2017 18:52

Who did more damage to Sam's business than Tracey?

Sam Rutherford 24th Oct 2017 20:30

Thank you for your posts regarding what Tracey has been saying about me.

The great majority of people are able to analyse both source and target and come to their own conclusions.

And that's absolutely fine by me.

As for the future of this thread, that depends - as actually it always has - on her.

piperboy84 25th Oct 2017 04:24

Sounds like it’s time to put a sunset on this one.

airpolice 25th Oct 2017 08:31

The show is not over, you were at a performance a few nights ago.

What makes you suggest that it is over?

The Old Fat One 25th Oct 2017 08:48

The Bird in a Biplane's Strategy has been very clear to me for some time...and she has followed it precisely.

Quoting myself from July...



The ac name change was entirely predictable and explainable. When she fell out with Artemis they would have insisted on the removal of their logo and branding from the kite.

Her plan/strategy is also becoming clear as is the fact that she still has sufficient funds to continue.

I expect a lowish profile solo completion of the journey, with a ton of stills and footage of her on her Jack Jones in said kite.

Then a carefully repackaged/re-edited film (which appears still at the production stage) during which the whole PPRuNe saga will be presented (as opposed to hidden/denied) with us lot as very much the bad guys who went nuts over some mis-managed press releases.

As we all should know by now, we live in a world where fake news rules if you have the fund and means to make it so.

I'd leave it to Karma to have the last word now, except to say some of you are way too trusting!
This is 100% the outcome I expected. You guys are focusing way to much on said Bird in a Biplane (that disgusting and reversed-misogynistic epithet is her own invention by the way) and not enough on her backers, connections and PR team, all of whom will be working to a common goal for their own agendas.

Whatever the personal charms of the lady, she blatantly misrepresented the truth and threatened those who exposed her with legal action. She has never come close to withdrawing those remarks or threats.

In due course, she and her team will win through, her publicity will once again soar, the awards and recognition will come and us on here will all be portrayed as a sorry lot of internet trolls.

Fake news brought us Brexit and Trump; the Bird in a Biplane is small fry in the overall scheme of things.

Let this thread die, get on with your lives, be true to yourself, observe the b/s all around, but don't let it be part of your own life.

Peace and respect to those that have contributed here.

Tagron 25th Oct 2017 09:12

Barry is absolutely right to call time on this thread, in my opinion. It is starting to tell us less about TCT and more about those who insist on keeping the thread going.

Perhaps those who persist with reiterating the same old story might like to consider they are becoming very very boring. Give it a rest please.

Checklist Charlie 25th Oct 2017 11:29

It appears as though the apologists for TCT are coming out in an orchestrated force.

CC

Forfoxake 25th Oct 2017 12:23


Originally Posted by Checklist Charlie (Post 9936083)
It appears as though the apologists for TCT are coming out in an orchestrated force.

CC


If you are suggesting that Barry is an apologist for TCT, then I think that is most unfair. He was instrumental in organising the campaign to have her LAA award rescinded (the only one rescinded as far as I am aware) and he also brought this saga to the attention of myself and, I suspect, many others.


If you, and others, wish to pursue this campaign, could I suggest (as I did much earlier) that you concentrate on those organisations and individuals who have NOT rescinded her awards, despite ample evidence that her exploits were misrepresented.

airpolice 25th Oct 2017 15:41

I wonder if anyone, anyone at all, has suggested to Tracey that she stops her part in the charade.

People come on here and say that we should stop hounding her, but has anyone told her to stop her bit?

Tagron wrote:

It is starting to tell us less about TCT and more about those who insist on keeping the thread going.
So what is her continued lying telling us about her?

Chris Martyr 25th Oct 2017 16:07


Originally Posted by G-KEST (Post 9935714)
All that needs to be said has been. .

Well, that's almost true . There certainly has been many thousands of words written on here and elsewhere and the PPRuNers have certainly had their say. What is really needed to put a lid on all this though , is a simple statement/acknowledgement from Tracey to the effect that maybe regrettable mistakes were made .......etc etc.
I don't think it's so much of a "twisting of the knife" , from the contributors here ,but maybe just the frustration showing through that everything that has required an answer has been completely stonewalled.

Nobody could put this thread to bed quicker than Tracey herself .

DownWest 25th Oct 2017 16:25


Nobody could put this thread to bed quicker than Tracey herself.
That is the key point.
A bit of humility would go a long way.

nevillestyke 25th Oct 2017 18:21

Has a communication yet been received, rescinding the threat of legal action from her lawyers yet? If not, that may help quieten thing down a little.

Groundloop 26th Oct 2017 11:26


Perhaps those who persist with reiterating the same old story
But isn't that exactly what TCT does?

Sam Rutherford 26th Oct 2017 14:43

I've been hearing a little more of the damage being caused to my reputation - some of which from people who should know better.

By better, I mean people who should/could ask me if what they have heard is correct or, as is generally the case, incorrect.

So, if anyone is busy being rude about me behind their back - they can feel free to post their thoughts here, in public (even anonymously) and I'll respond - publicly, openly and honestly.

I have only ever had one version of this story. One. It has been, and is, entirely correct and accurate.

Ms Curtis-Taylor has seen fit to issue FOUR "clarifying" statements over the last 18 months - each one different from the one before.

I'm sorry if my actions have embarrassed certain people or organisations but I felt forced to choose between 'team-player' for a team that wasn't exactly playing by the rules or 'whistle-blower'. I kept silent for many months, but when awards started being handed out I was forced to act (initially with a simple private request that she just politely refuse further honours). After a second request was also ignored, my hand was called. The rest is history.

Safe flights all, Sam.

Chris Martyr 26th Oct 2017 20:14

I'm happy to support Sam on this !
He is after all, the person who brought the whole of this into public view in the first place.
He isn't some low-life internet troll, but actually an intelligent professional man who operates a very specialised aviation service.
Had he not been in this position , then a whole load of inexact claims to fame could well have slipped through the media and fooled many . And it has to be remembered that the TC-T entourage have probably done very well out of all this anyway, despite having been well and truly rumbled.
Why can't they just hold their hands up to their shortcomings and let it all die a death , instead of placating some and not others.
I say again : Nobody could put this one to bed quicker than TC-T herself !

BEagle 30th Oct 2017 13:27

The Aviatrix
 
On BBC Four at 20:00 this evening:


The Lady Who Flew Africa: The Aviatrix


In 1928, Lady Heath became the first person to fly solo from Cape Town to London. Eighty-five years later, Tracey Curtis-Taylor sets out in a vintage biplane to retrace her flight.

Her extraordinary eight-and-a-half-week journey from Cape Town to Goodwood is nearly 10,000 miles long and takes her through 15 African countries. From the beauty of the wilderness to the challenge of flying through war-torn nations, Tracey faces many of the same challenges as her aviatrix predecessor.

With aviation fuel scarce and with a top speed of only 95 miles per hour, her progress is slow and at times frightening. Tracey will need the same courage and single-minded determination of Lady Heath if she is to make her lifelong dream come true.
:hmm:

airpolice 30th Oct 2017 16:46

We should all complain to the BBC about our Licence Fee, which we are legally obliged to pay, being spent on this fraud.

sharpend 30th Oct 2017 18:15


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 9941273)
On BBC Four at 20:00 this evening:



:hmm:

I shall watch this program. I met the lady once and was totally unimpressed. That was prior to me reading these pages. Even less impressed now. Better the BBC screen my wife's epic 'The Lady who flew across Gloucestershire - solo!'

Haraka 30th Oct 2017 18:22

Does anybody else remember the days when BBC reporting standards were actually respected world-wide as a bench mark ?

It seems so long ago now.................................

Steve6443 30th Oct 2017 20:29

I've been watching the program and must say I'm shocked by her total lack of professionalism. In particular the fact that she admits to flying whilst suffering from a cold..... What part of IMSAFE does she not understand?

I s the pilot suffering from any illness or symptom of an illness which might affect them in flight?

M edication - Is the pilot currently taking any drugs (prescription or over-the-counter)?

sharpend 30th Oct 2017 21:05

Yes, i have just watched that crap. Quite interesting really and well staged. For example the Steerman took off with just one pilot, then, miraculously, later in the flight, a second pilot appeared. She also mentioned flying alone, but for goodness sake, who/what took all those aerial pictures? One thing I also noticed was the film director's policy to push her so-called image... those who watched the program will know what i mean. She has gone down in my estimation...

newsjunkie 31st Oct 2017 10:44

I am interested to know more from G-Kest about how TCT makes "efforts to inspire" girls and young women "through pursuing the STEM elements of the school and university syllabi". What exactly does this mean? I know she has done talks (for which she was paid) to some private schools. What are these "efforts"?

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 31st Oct 2017 12:56

STEM
That will be:

Suggest a fanciful endeavour
Take the money
Embellish what actually happened
Move-on to the next gullible benefactor

That is the only inspiration I can see from BiaB. This will drag on, she will reap the rewards and we will be seen as bitter and twisted.

There are too many questions left unanswered dating back to the very start of this sham. So far only LAA have taken the right steps; others remain with their heads in the sand hoping it will blow over.

Danny42C 31st Oct 2017 13:12

I watched the programme. It was a masterpiece of clever editing, giving the completely wrong public impression (that she had been flying alone), without ever using the word "solo". And that she stowed all her kit in the PT-17, whereas the bulk of it was in the 'chase' aircraft which supported her and carried the camera crew.

Tried, without success, to see someone in front, but sharpend (#3917) must've better eyes than my tired old ones !

Truly, a "work of art" ! (or artifice ?) But nice to see the old Stearman again !

Forfoxake 31st Oct 2017 13:30

You could often see a head in front of hers on the shots from the rear, and someone was definitely in the front cockpit on landing at Goodwood. Wonder who?

Jonzarno 31st Oct 2017 15:44


Tried, without success, to see someone in front
I only watched the second half. Unlike a previous poster I wasn’t about to give up University Challenge for this :p

During the second half, in the shots taken from the back of the aircraft and behind Ms Curtis-Taylor, you can clearly see the back of a second head moving in the front cockpit. Also, in the final landing back in the UK, the only time during the time I was watching that the aircraft is filmed from the side and close enough to see, there are clearly two people in it.

I agree about the editing, it is a masterpiece: probably deserves a BAFTA for that if for nothing else... :rolleyes:

brakedwell 31st Oct 2017 15:54


Originally Posted by Jonzarno (Post 9942522)
I only watched the second half. Unlike a previous poster I wasn’t about to give up University Challenge for this :p

I did record it, but Midsommer Murders come first ;)

creweite 31st Oct 2017 16:21


Originally Posted by brakedwell (Post 9942529)
I did recorded it, but Midsommer Murders come first ;)

Amen to that! We like to watch these on streaming video in Florida, but no new episodes. Love to see shots of English villages as I remember them from my youth.

B Fraser 31st Oct 2017 18:24

Was that the owner of the aircraft seen diagnosing the misfire ? There was no explanation of who he was so one can only presume that it was Ewald, the on-board directional consultant.

http://i.imgur.com/ivtfYFe.jpg

Mike Flynn 31st Oct 2017 22:04


Originally Posted by Jonzarno (Post 9942522)
I only watched the second half. Unlike a previous poster I wasn’t about to give up University Challenge for this :p

During the second half, in the shots taken from the back of the aircraft and behind Ms Curtis-Taylor, you can clearly see the back of a second head moving in the front cockpit. Also, in the final landing back in the UK, the only time during the time I was watching that the aircraft is filmed from the side and close enough to see, there are clearly two people in it.

I agree about the editing, it is a masterpiece: probably deserves a BAFTA for that if for nothing else... :rolleyes:


The Goodwood clip was repeated at Sydney.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vMjBuu10l2w

Tracey Curtis-Taylor finishes UK to Australia biplane flight - BBC News
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35271182

brakedwell 1st Nov 2017 19:29

Two heads are visible from the rear after departure from Mersa Matru.

BossEyed 1st Nov 2017 22:45

You guys do know that this was the same programme as originally transmitted in 2015, don't you?

That is, the moans at the beginning of the thread are still going to be valid and there's no need to go round the buoy again.


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