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clareprop 11th May 2017 13:00

piperboy84

Hmmm. I'm going to watch your post very carefully to make sure you don't edit it in future to say 'lone' pilot....:p

Gonzo 13th May 2017 19:29

Back to real role models, Shaesta Waiz, who was born in a refugee camp and emigrated to the US, is about to leave Embry-Riddle on a solo round the world flight.

Afghan pilot Shaesta Waiz takes flight for women - Montreal - CBC News

Mike Flynn 13th May 2017 20:11

This quote mirrors one from a previous 'inspired solo pilot'.

"I want to inspire the next generation of female aviation professionals," she told CBC News: Montreal host Debra Arbec on Tuesday, International Women's Day
The difference is the quote above and below are from a true female solo pilot.


Along the way, Waiz will make 33 stops as part of a campaign to encourage women to follow careers in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM), including aviation.

"I come from Afghanistan, where aviation is not encouraged to women, and I was able to make it," said Waiz. "If I can do it I know women around the world can do it as well."

Waiz was in Montreal in order to meet with officials from the International Civil Aviation Organization and to finalize the flight plans for her trip.
We all wish you well Shaesta.

We look forward to your genuine global solo flight.

Clare Prop 15th May 2017 04:15

Good on her.
But I still have a problem with the sexism of low expectations ie that women can only succeed if another female inspires them.
I was inspired by Neil Armstrong.

megan 15th May 2017 07:37

Clare, I think a lass coming from Afghanistan does have something to promote to her particular branch of sisters, but understand your comment in its general context.

Ebbie 2003 15th May 2017 18:00

After Arizona desert crash, critics of British pilot say they want the truth behind famous flights | National Post

reminds us all about how this thing started - interesting photo "alone" too.

Mike Flynn 15th May 2017 20:19

Her website on Facebook quoted The Sprit of Artemis wintered at 3G Classic Aviation in Austria/Hungary while I had been overseas for some time, missing most of the British winter. I will be bringing the bird back to the UK in a few weeks ..... ready for the next flying and airshow season.
[/quote]That was posted on March 12th which is over two months ago So is the Stearman returning to the UK then boxed to the USA or is it being shipped to Winslow?

The next question is will we see Tracey flying across the USA solo?

Reverserbucket 16th May 2017 09:29

I spoke to someone I know at the BWPA as well as another at the IAWA; neither apparently seemed aware of the details of any of TCT's flights regarding whether they were solo or "sole". I found that quite incredible. Perhaps they should be asked formerly as organisations; both have Boards to which they are accountable as I understand it?

27/09 17th May 2017 08:26


Sadly, the US Transcontinental Flight came to an abrupt halt when the Spirit of Artemis crashed
in the desert shortly after take off from Winslow, Arizona. The engine suffered a partial power loss, most likely caused by contaminated fuel.....
I wonder what the refueller at Winslow thinks of the claim about contaminated fuel. I wonder if they know she is making these claims about the quality of their product.

If the claim had any substance I'm sure there would have been legal action from the TCT camp by now. Since there's been no action on that front it could be assumed the fuel wasn't contaminated, therefore is it possible TCT might expect a cease and desist or something stronger from the legal representative of the Winslow refueller?

Whirlybird 17th May 2017 08:37


I spoke to someone I know at the BWPA as well as another at the IAWA; neither apparently seemed aware of the details of any of TCT's flights regarding whether they were solo or "sole". I found that quite incredible. Perhaps they should be asked formerly as organisations; both have Boards to which they are accountable as I understand it?
To whom did you speak? Ordinary members? I suspect if you spoke to any ordinary pilot, male or female, who doesn't read the Private Flying forum here regularly, they wouldn't know either. Indeed, they'd probably have forgotten who TCT was by now. Why should they care? Why should anyone care?

Asking the officials of the organisations...now that's a different matter. It's not clear from Jay Sata's post whether their logos were being misused, but if so, they should know about it. And does the BWPA "endorse her achievements"? As an ordinary member I haven't a clue!

brakedwell 17th May 2017 08:41

TCT's "achievements" pale into insignificance on this page.

londonblue 17th May 2017 12:12

Am I the only one that has an issue with the wording of this:


Sadly, the US Transcontinental Flight came to an abrupt halt when the Spirit of Artemis crashed
in the desert shortly after take off from Winslow, Arizona. The engine suffered a partial power loss, most likely caused by contaminated fuel, which was sufficient to stop it flying at the high density altitude of 7000ft. The Stearman cartwheeled shortly after it hit the ground when it struck a dense sage bush. The damage to the airframe and engine was extensive but Tracey and
Ewald Gritsch stepped out of the cockpit unscathed, which was a testament to the Stearman's
famously strong design.
To me it is worded to absolve the pilots of any responsibility. It's almost as if the plane was flying itself, and the passengers managed to survive.

Maybe it's just me...

Crash one 17th May 2017 12:31

No it's not just you, "the aircraft crashed" really! All by itself?
Much like "the car left the road".
Contaminated fuel. Wouldn't that have affected quite a few more aircraft? Or was this stuff from a special tank marked "Boeing Stearman flown by Tracey fuel, incompatible with any other aircraft".

Clare Prop 17th May 2017 13:25

Found this.
https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Re...ctual&IType=LA

Jonzarno 17th May 2017 18:12


The engine suffered a partial power loss, most likely caused by contaminated fuel.....
- TCT


a postaccident examination of the airplane and engine revealed no anomalies.
- NTSB

Perhaps the NTSB forgot to analyse the fuel?? It's not like them to miss something like that........ :confused:

27/09 18th May 2017 08:51


Originally Posted by londonblue (Post 9773869)

To me it is worded to absolve the pilots of any responsibility. It's almost as if the plane was flying itself, and the passengers managed to survive.

One of them definitely was a passenger, the big debate has been about which of the two was the passenger on all the earlier flights. On this flight there may in fact have been two "passengers"

Reverserbucket 18th May 2017 08:55

Whirlybird

To whom did you speak?
It was the former Chairman and now Ambassador, Awards and Scholarship sub-committee of the BWPA and Lisa Piccione, President IAWA.

Mike Flynn 18th May 2017 10:46


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 9773948)

It appears she only flew 100 hours on type between the UK accident and the one at Winslow?
However her total time increased by 320 hours! The US accident report cites she flew 6 hours in the 24 hours before the incident. For a private pilot she has 350 dual which is an unusually large number?

Am I missing something?http://i68.tinypic.com/fn71cm.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/2dryvde.jpg

Haraka 18th May 2017 11:48

Indeed , apparent discrepancies continue to appear, for example: :
TC-T on Facebook Mar 12 2017 and still posted :

" I will be bringing the bird back to the UK in a few weeks ..... ready for the next flying and airshow season."

Yet, also still displayed on her " Bird in a Biplane" Website:

"The US flight will be resumed in June this year starting again from Winslow, Arizona finishing in New York."

Time will tell.

Art E. Fischler-Reisen 18th May 2017 19:38

There seems to be another discrepancy, with regard to TCT's HCAP membership, which I've wondered about for some time. I believe she is, or was (I can no longer check this since I resigned from that organisation) listed as an "Upper Freeman" which is applicable only to professional pilots. But by her own admission, as per the report above, she is not a professional pilot.

piperboy84 18th May 2017 19:54


Originally Posted by Art E. Fischler-Reisen (Post 9775369)
There seems to be another discrepancy, with regard to TCT's HCAP membership, which I've wondered about for some time. I believe she is, or was (I can no longer check this since I resigned from that organisation) listed as an "Upper Freeman" which is applicable only to professional pilots. But by her own admission, as per the report above, she is not a professional pilot.

But at one point she had an instructor rating which I assume would mean she passed a commercial checkride prior to instructing, so I suppose at a stretch the commercial qualification would make her a "professional" pilot

piperboy84 18th May 2017 22:46

I just can't see the point of shipping the Stearman back out to Arizona just to fly it to the East Coast, as said before it's not achieving anything nor is it noteworthy, it's just 25 hours of the same old shyte in a non challenging environment as the attached vid of my recent coast to coast bimble over Arizona
shows it's just a whole bunch of desert followed by a big wide open plain till you hit the beach on the other side.

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0I532ODWEosO

She'd be better doing something like flying across Russia or China.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 19th May 2017 14:56


Originally Posted by piperboy84 (Post 9775506)
I just can't see the point of shipping the Stearman back out to Arizona just to fly it to the East Coast, as said before it's not achieving anything nor is it noteworthy, it's just 25 hours of the same old shyte in a non challenging environment as the attached vid of my recent coast to coast bimble over Arizona
shows it's just a whole bunch of desert followed by a big wide open plain till you hit the beach on the other side.

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0I532ODWEosO

She'd be better doing something like flying across Russia or China.

She be better giving the money it will cost to sponsoring a couple of kids through CPL training.

Mike Flynn 20th May 2017 19:39


Originally Posted by Islandlad (Post 9776184)
Totally agree. But that was Boeing and Marshalls who pushed the public flying display

I have it on excellent inside info that Marshalls never played any part in promoting TCT. However I have emails from other sources that Boeing insisted on her Masters Medal from HCAP.

BEagle 21st May 2017 08:57

Jay Sata wrote:

However I have emails from other sources that Boeing insisted on her Masters Medal from HCAP.
Can you substantiate that allegation?

tractorpuller 10th Jun 2017 22:28

Miss TCT has just arrived in the States, West Coast, so maybe they really are going to continue the flight.

Checklist Charlie 12th Jun 2017 03:06

I hope the Americans appreciate your warning tractorpuller.

CC:cool:

Russell Gulch 14th Jun 2017 18:55

http://www.bogley.com/forum/attachme...0&d=1497448503

clareprop 14th Jun 2017 21:16

I have come across these articles. "Jaw dropping" doesn't seem to cover it.
Apart from the dreadful prose, faux adventurism and complete b******t about "empowerment for girls", she is still playing the solo card. Please see the last paragraph of the second quote for a deliberate obfuscation of the truth.
My favourite quote:"...I think that's what I'd like to do going forward, go back to these places".


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This fantastic quest. There is a key to everybody’s life and you just have to find it. For me it turned out to be old aeroplanes, in a way that I never expected. It is actually the biggest surprise in my life when I look back, I never really had any sense that it would come to this. It is intrinsic to me.”

Tracey flies a Steaman, a vintage biplane. You will notice that the pilot sits in the second seat, which is fine for looking over the side when flying , but visibility not so good on the ground. Having successfully flown from Cape Town to Goodwood in 2013, Tracey Curtis-Taylor next took on the challenge of flying her vintage biplane to Australia. These flights recreate and celebrate Lady Mary Heath and Amy Johnson. On her flight to Australia, she visited many countries.

“In my working life, I never call it a career, it seems like I had a succession of fantastic jobs and then I just learnt on the hoof with it.”



Inspiring the next generation

“It‘s about young people, reminding them what’s gone on in history, particularly focused around girls and women. Flying out to Australia, visiting the girls’ schools along the way, through Jordan, I was meeting girls and mentoring women’s groups. They love the aeroplane. To be able to tell them about the stories, the struggles that women have had historically. It surprised me how moved I was by it. I think that’s what I’d like to do going forward, to go back to these places.

I’ve always had a sense of history, I love reading about colonial history particularly. The scramble for Africa. I’ve been reading that book for 10 years. Now having flown to Australia, having visited visited all these countries, I want to understand what happened. The Russian empire. The British empire . Those are the struggles that interest me, because they shaped so much of the modern world.

The plan is to complete the circumnavigation of the world in 2017. Finish the flight across America from Windsor in Arizona where we crashed. Flying Africa, these expeditions, this is the best thing, with an incredibly fantastic team, whole network of support and sponsor ship. The best thing I’ve ever done. All my early years, I was very determined. I had great longings. I was obsessed by horses. Out on the moor, the horse was just my release, a way to freedom. Back in Canada, one day there was as sign at the side of the road, 20 minutes introductory flight in a Cessna. The instructor, this poor chap who was Austrian, just couldn’t get rid of me. I was there with him for 4 hours We took a charter trip of politicians to Vancouver island in a bigger plane. My friend was getting more and more worried, I had just disappeared.”



Education

“The first difference for girls, I was aware of was at school when the boys could join air cadets, the boys in our class were doing navigation O levels, and gliding.

“There’s a huge drive to encourage more women into the aerospace industry. It starts with that basic education into STEM subjects. ”

For me it starts much younger than that. You need very small children exposed to the idea of flight. I think everyone is excited by the idea of flight When I was 6 my cousin bought a little balsa wood plane with an elastic band that you wind up. The pair of us would spend hours flying a little windup plane and he would send me up into trees, to get it..”

Tracey
All female air traffic controllers at Marka airport, Amman Jordan
Gender differences.

“My father used to take to me to airshows. They are the biggest outdoor event next to football. If you get children before they become polarised or sexualised then give them these things. Let them understand how it works.

I can’t believe that girls are any different to boys. I know that some boys have a natural affinity to engineering, no doubt about it. I’ve seen it . Having taught flying to both men and women as well , I’ve seen how men men and women respond differently in the cockpit. Whether it is or testosterone whether it is biological thing, women just don’t seem to have the innate confidence that men do. You have to be brave, you have to make brave choices . Amy Johnson had a huge amount of determination, she had that quality of stamina.

I was visiting the girls’ schools along the way, to Australia. I was meeting girls and mentoring women’s groups particularly the middle East. Jordan, Saudi on through Pakistan. Its been very touching to see, in these countries the basic human rights, and glaring inequality, particularly in the middle east.We have huge opportunities.

“I’ve just lived according to my desire, my sense of adventure my love of mobility and freedom, those two things have been very important to me I’ve made choices, not bogged down with families or domestics.”

Advice

“There’s a time for everything. That’s the other thing for young people. they never tell you how much time you’ve got. There’s always this sense of urgency . There’ so much out there, pace yourself through it. It’s not just about one career, every job I’ve had has been a different life. I’ve had many lives in many countries incredibly rich and diverse. That’s what we want to convey to people. It is all out there. It is so magical. Yet we’re bombarded by the war, the violence, the terrorism, the hatred that’s the awful part. Don’t get blinkered in your approach When you’re out in the world you have to get out and live it. There are amazing people and amazing opportunities.”
https://ionthecity.wordpress.com/2017/01/16/150970/


Flying a vintage aeroplane and flying a light modern aircraft with a glass cockpit is as different as chalk and cheese. It is the difference different between riding a bike and being in a car. Back in 1930 there was no airspace. Amy Johnson had open skies. One of my difficulties is going through complicated airspace, international boundaries. Flying in an open cockpit, with stick and rudder is very different.
“A model light aircraft has instruments in a covered controlled environment. They are flying high riding the airwaves and can fly at night, on autopilot. I don’t have that. I have to be able to see the ground, no cloud, and must have forward vision. No night flying.
portrait amy Johnson and Tracey
Tracey in front of her heroine Amy Johnson
“It is very physical flying, a lot of noise, vibration, changing temperatures, I am flying 1000 feet above the ground, sometimes lower. I do have some modern instruments. I have a radio which Amy Johnson didn’t have. I have a GPS so they can track you through controlled airspace. Though these instruments are a requirement, by choice I wouldn’t have them. I don’t like gadgets, modern technology doesn’t interest me.
The flying lady mascot on the bonnet of the rolls, Spirit of Ecstasy, inspired Tracey Curtis Taylor, to name the Stearman the Spirit of Artemis. She saw an advertisement for Artemis Fund Managers. Artemis the profit hunter.
“It featured a World War II old airplane flying over a desert island. It seemed someone had a creative romantic view of adventure But I didn’t write for a year, because I knew I had to present a plan, a coherent business model. I found the Chief Executive of Artemis on the internet, and I wrote to him personally. “I saw your advertisement and it captures completely what I’m doing here, recreating the route of the first person to fly Africa, 1928 Lady Mary Heath.”
Within half an hour of sending the email, his PA phoned saying he wants to meet you. It was something which fired his imagination, and we made it happen. Artemis are philanthropic, big supporters of Tusk in Africa. Elephant conservation in Africa, became a cornerstone of the of the Artemis flight. It comes back to values. The partnership has to reflect the values of what you’re doing. It was about heritage, celebrating what the pioneers had achieved. It was about modern issues, like conservation in Africa.
Flying solo
“I was absolutely thrilled to get my flying license, it was such a huge effort to do. When you go solo, it’s always a profound moment. You’re so bloody frightened, you lie awake at night, I never actually thought I’d be a pilot. But I wasn’t a professional pilot, this is the point, although I’ve instructed for years, that’s different. I never trained to be a commercial pilot.
Journeys
Having successfully flown from Cape Town to Goodwood in 2013, Tracey flew her vintage biplane to Australia. These flights recreate and celebrate Lady Mary Heath and Amy Johnson. On her flight to Australia, she visited many countries.
“Flying Africa, these expeditions, with an incredibly fantastic team, a whole network of support and sponsor ship. It is the best thing I’ve ever done. The plan is to complete the circumnavigation of the world in 2017. Finish the flight across America from Windsor in Arizona where we crashed.
Inspiring the next generation
“It’s about young people, reminding them what’s gone on in history, particularly focused around girls and women. Flying out to Australia, visiting the girls’ schools along the way, through Jordan, I was meeting girls and mentoring women’s groups, particularly in the middle East, Jordan, Saudi, on through Pakistan. It’s been very touching to see, in these countries, basic human rights, and glaring inequality, particularly in the Middle East. They love the aeroplane, and to hear about the endless stories to be able to tell them about the stories and the struggles that women have had historically. It surprised me how moved I was by it. I think that’s what I’d like to do going forward, to go back to these places.

Checklist Charlie 15th Jun 2017 00:05


Tracey flew her vintage biplane to Australia.
Left out the word "in" between flew and her.

Add poor proof reading to clareprop's opening comments.

CCflew

MacLaren1 16th Jun 2017 20:27

"Our....?"
 

One of my difficulties is going through complicated airspace,
...er.. "our difficulties "... ?

Pitchpoller 16th Jun 2017 21:37


The instructor, this poor chap who was Austrian, just couldn’t get rid of me.
Thankyou for the chuckle, Madam Solo. We know just what you mean.;)

brakedwell 17th Jun 2017 06:29

Is it her vintage biplane?

B Fraser 19th Jun 2017 10:47


I have a GPS so they can track you through controlled airspace.

No, that's what the transponder is for.



I don’t like gadgets, modern technology doesn’t interest me.

Will she be ditching the GPS and I-Pad that is slaved to it ............... nope.

Chris Martyr 21st Jun 2017 09:07

"The poor Austrian instructor chap just couldn't get rid of me".


And she's still tagging along on his adventures even now.


What a great girl , she has a sense of irony like no-one else I've ever met...:ok:

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 21st Jun 2017 11:49


Originally Posted by Chris Martyr (Post 9808362)
"The poor Austrian instructor chap just couldn't get rid of me".


And she's still tagging along on his adventures even now.


What a great girl , she has a sense of irony like no-one else I've ever met...:ok:

What she has in a sense of irony amply makes up for the other senses that she lacks.

Morality
Honour
Integrity
Direction
.
.
.

:ok:

I am waiting to see how this next phase pans out and how many (if any) of those sponsorship badges have been removed/replaced and if the offending "wings" have been located to a more appropriate and less offensive position.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 22nd Jun 2017 23:34

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Interesting. Planefinder.net shows N56200 left the Glendale area, flew down to LA and headed NE then E towards San Antonio area.

Looks like the flight is on.

piperboy84 23rd Jun 2017 01:15


Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY (Post 9809831)
Interesting. Planefinder.net shows N56200 left the Glendale area, flew down to LA and headed NE then E towards San Antonio area.

Looks like the flight is on.

Looks like it departed either Whiteman or Burbank circled round downtown then headed out of town.

Jonzarno 23rd Jun 2017 13:07

This is getting to be almost as exciting as the Maurice Kirk in Africa thread..... :p

BillieBob 23rd Jun 2017 14:25


Looks like it departed either Whiteman or Burbank
In fact, Flightradar24 shows it at 1904UTC climbing through 600ft just west of SMO with a destination of ONT. It then flies up to Griffith Park before turning south. However, the flight is not shown on Flight Aware which records only a local flight by the aircraft SMO-SMO on Wednesday.


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