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It is interesting how this has developed over the past months. Initially I believed TCT's version but only a slight bit of digging has revealed to me the truth.
Thing is Sam, had you flown the SofA then I guess there would still be an intact R44 and no crater at Winslow. To those who are now stepping back from this. Allowing this situation to go unchallenged is morally wrong. We can show she has lied but she continues to blame others, surely that cannot be right. |
Allowing this situation to go unchallenged is morally wrong. We can show she has lied but she continues to blame others, surely that cannot be right.
No, it isn't right SWB. Unfortunately, dealing with those people in this top tier, such deceit and trickery is all part of normal in their usual working day. It will never change. The mockery is, they all operate under the banner of 'Honourable' and I guess they believe it. |
Cessna etc
I think you need to stick to the main point. She has won awards and public recognition for being a plucky solo adventurer fighting through adversity. It turns out that she was not solo, wore wings she did not earn and had people to deal with the adversity. These are things that I and many others are annoyed by. Trying to link all this to some great conspiracy involving the great and the good I think will dilute the message and just make you easier to dismiss as the crazies that some of you are sounding like. I don't care if she was unprofessional in an aircraft. So what? So she flew over whales. So she buzzed a palace or two. She is a PPL. I expect PPL holders to be unprofessional, and in adventurers I kind of expect and respect it. Trying to make out that everybody she knows is somehow any different from everybody else she duped is just class war crap. |
Canute, we have all stuck to the main point.
We are talking about a liar whom has misrepresented, rubbed shoulders with the top tier and has been awarded/acknowledged for such. Have I missed anything? A law abiding PPL would not go about to deliberately breach such air navigation orders, and then boast about it in such an 'inspirational' glorified manner. |
I would be grateful if somebody here would post or give references to, the four differing texts and dates of the HCAP citations for TC-T's Masters award.
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I think Jay has them, but if I remember correctly they are:
1. The first letter she received from the then-Master, which is on this thread somewhere. 2. Public statement about it given to journalist David Jarvis. 3. Another letter (also on this thread I believe). 4. The final citation on the award when given last week. Cheers, Sam. |
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Interesting to see how the birdinabiplane media page has now included a link to the Times article from yesterday as "proof" that we are all wrong.
I like this bit “I wish we’d sorted that misreporting out but I can’t do everything all of the time,” she (TCT) said. Sorry TCT, no misreporting as I see it. YOU were telling them you were solo or are you suggesting that we have all misheard your words, not once but twice in the same video clip from Herne Bay. Boeing were telling them you were solo in their Press Release. The purpose of a Press Release is to give the media the FACTS which they will then publish. Based upon this some illustrious bodies have given you awards and accolades that you are clearly not worthy of. This brings them into disrepute and undermines all those who have earned their admiration. p.s. lose those RAF wings please, I find it most offensive that you feel you are worthy to wear them - for the avoidance of doubt - you are not even close. |
I'd just like to reinforce what Canute said about sticking to the main point
We'll do this cause no favours if we let childish and irrational arguments muddy the waters, emotional tosh such as deafening whales and parading overt class-bigotry or anti-royal prejudice serves only to make the author look blinkered and biased at best and taints the argument at worst. TCT is treading a very fine line somewhere between wilfully misleading and the rare overt untruth. We won't beat the subtleties of her machinations by spouting tired clichéd slogans that merely display our prejudices or parading any of the more peculiar bees in our bonnets. So far this thread has gone to an extraordinary length (120 pages) without significant thread drift or overt rancour. This must surely be a record for PPRuNe and something to be proud of. It certainly shows how united people can be in the face of promoting honesty and good practise in aviation. Let's keep it there! |
Flynomore: Absolutely right! :D
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I think we need to move on now.
We have established she was not alone in the Spirit of Artemis according to the Times article by staff reporter Lucy Bannerman on October 29th. She estimates she was alone in the aircraft for about 10 per cent of the time, with guest passengers for 20 per cent and with Ewald Gritsch, her Austrian engineer, for the rest. Or to put it another way for 90% of the time she was not solo and Ewald was up front for 70% of the flights. Some solo flying! We know that from all the pictures out there on the internet showing two up in the Spirit of Artemis. However the BBC,ITV, countless newpapers and media printed stories about these great solo flights "emulating" Lady Mary Heath and Amy Johnson. Indeed these two famous record breaking solo pilots form the backbone of all Tracey Curtis Taylor's speeches and presentations. She admits she could have done more to correct misleading reports that made liberal use of the phrase “flying solo”. “I wish we’d sorted that misreporting out but I can’t do everything all of the time,” she said. The UK Daily Telegraph has already confirmed she was quoted correctly. She was claiming to fly solo in videos such as Herne Bay. She implied in magazines and on the radio she was solo. She was part of a multi million pound promotional exercise with a dedicated PR man on the spot. His name...Tim Kelly. Here he is in the background in charge of the press pack in Sydney as she receives a certificate stating SOLO from the Australian Women Pilots Association. ( now rescinded) Did he know as he smirked what the award said. Do bears do their stuff in the woods? https://s22.postimg.org/7iflqbzr5/image.jpg So how did the global media get it wrong? Tim Kelly Media on behalf of Artemis and Boeing Aircraft Corporation issued press releases stating these were solo flights. I feel it is now time to ask Tim Kelly Media Ltd,Boeing Aircraft Corporation and Artemis some leading questions. Why the deception and on reflection did it work? |
Boeing and Artemis spent millions on these stunts. Their PR department were out to get maximum publicity.
- Boeing sponsors solo open cockpit flight from U.K. to Australia. Boeing Corporate Offices 100 N. Riverside Chicago, IL 60606 www.boeing.com Abu Dhabi – Nov. 4, 2015 - Adventurous British female aviator Tracey Curtis- Taylor landed safely today at Al-Bateen airport in Abu Dhabi in her classic 1942 Boeing Stearman Spirit of Artemis. The experienced pilot set off on her intrepid expedition from the U.K. to Australia October 1, aiming to fly 13,000 miles across 23 countries. http://www.boeing.com/resources/boei...essRelease.pdf |
Sam R: One version, one story, no changes at any stage. None. Only by keeping this 'live' on PPRuNe can 'we' go some way to protecting 'their' reputations. On each occasion when TCT stood holding a microphone, wine glass or award, she knew exactly what she was there for - adulation, earned or otherwise. If she were not standing at the head of the crowd, accepting the accolades, the media would not be reporting it! A PPL has the right to distinguish themselves as a pilot in any way they would like - except flying for hire or reward. Honourable PPLs respect the privileges of CPLs. I wonder if TCT sees reward in what she has done and claimed. I wonder if TCT regards presenting her occupation as pilot conveying the notion that she earns a living by flying planes. We pilots have the right to stand up and be heard in our disdain for those falsely claiming accolades. Well done to the LAA for listening to their members. So far this thread has gone to an extraordinary length (120 pages) |
Time to chase the sponsors.
The man who heads Artemis is Richard Turpin. He agreed the whole Spirit of Artemis sponsorship deal. Here he is on the Alamy website which is used by many newspapers and publications for stock photos. Read the caption. Stock Photo - Farnborough Airport, UK. 1st October, 2015. Adventurer Tracey Curtis-Taylor starts 13,000 mile solo biplane flight. Richard Turpin of Artemis and Spirit of Artemis © carol Caption for picture below Stock Photo - Farnborough Airport, UK. 1st October, 2015. Adventurer Tracey Curtis-Taylor starts 13,000 mile solo biplane flight. Tracey Curtis Taylor talks to Prince Michael of Kent © Now call me a cynic but those wings or RAF brevet sported alongside Prince Michael are not just any old badge bought from an online pilot shop. Here is Tim Kelly who was in charge of media and press releases for the above pictures and all the UK to Sydney publicity. https://s21.postimg.org/xh5om4s4n/image.jpg So we must have a few questions for 'Dick' Turpin at Artemis. press enquiries, contact: Ross Leckie, Director of communications +44 (0)20 7399 6361 [email protected] and Tim Kelly? [email protected] |
I think you will find that it will be recorded as "a private matter between friends".
Certainly recorded that way under similar controversy on Wiki if you have a look. |
I think the sponsorship of the Spirit of Artemis is a public matter as Boeing and Artemis are not private individuals.
The captions to my previous pictures and the Boeing press release clearly state that TCT and the Spirit of Artemis was embarking on or involved in a solo flight. In addition the aircraft carried the Royal Navy logo and the RNRM charity logo. |
Farnborough Airshow 2016
I have just found this via the Alamy stock picture website.
The rebuilt Spirit of Artemis arriving from Hungary . Stock Photo - The Boeing Stearman "Spirit of Artemis" flying at the Farnborough International Airshow 2016 Here is a close up....recognise the man in the front seat? Looking at the two pilots which one is flying? https://s21.postimg.org/ddcdinz53/image.jpg |
Looking at the two pilots which one is flying? |
Originally Posted by Stanwell
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I wonder how many UK taxpayers are aware that they've been generously contributing to TCT's ongoing scam, hmm?
It would seem that, if the prominence of advertising on the "Spirit of Artifice" is anything to go by, then Her Majesty's Government would be TCT's second largest sponsor, behind Artemis Investments. Observers will have noticed the large Union Flag immediately below the front cock-pit(sic) topped with the message .."GREAT Britain". Now, how did that come about, you may ask? Well, an acquaintance of Tracey's, The Honourable(sic) Maria Miller, the now-disgraced former Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport in Cameron's cabinet, possibly thought it would be a good idea to dip into the exchequer to give Tracey a bit of a financial leg-up as well as some credibility. Why? "To inspire people to visit the country she (TCT) comes from", of course. That was in November 2013 when the "Solo Aviatrix" scam was just gaining momentum. No doubt those two girls had a good chat - it seems they have a few things in common. Maria Miller was forced to resign from Cabinet for a significant 'fiddling of the books' and she was also in big trouble for attempted media manipulation. The problems were that: 1). Even David Cameron and his establishment mates could not save her from the wrath of Parliament. 2). She tried on the media manipulation stunt with the wrong newspaper - The Telegraph. So, taxpayers of the UK, I hope you're comfortable in the knowledge that your taxation contributions have provided Tracey (and others) with some pretty fair tuition in the darker arts as well as helping maintain her in the style to which she's lately become accustomed. A sad thing is, Maria Miller hasn't, in the end, been able to edit and polish her Wikipedia page. Perhaps Tracey could show her how. . Above is a post of mine from July 13th of this year. Nothing compared to the Artemis/Boeing sponsorships but, make of that what you will. N.B. The detail of the above was drawn from Maria Miller's Wiki page. . |
"2). She tried on the media manipulation stunt with the wrong newspaper - The Telegraph."
But, how much do you think Maria Miller spent per annum on advertising with the Telegraph? |
Original award letter dated 13 January 2016 is on JS's post #2240
The 2016 Awards Booklet on the HCAP site contains the following: Between October last year and January this year, Tracey Curtis-Taylor led an aviation expedition from the UK to Australia, retracing the route flown by Amy Johnson as tribute to her, and evoking the pioneering spirit of that era, but with a very different purpose or objective for the whole undertaking. Unlike Amy Johnson’s flight this was not a solo flight and it was sponsored by Artemis and Boeing as part of a promotional endeavour to encourage females into aviation. Tracey's team consisting her co-pilot and engineer, Ewald Gritsch, flying with her in the Stearman biplane, and film-crew in a Cessna Caravan chase-plane throughout the expedition, together with back-up and logistics support team, were all there with one specific principal aim in mind: to promote aviation to many thousands of youngsters, especially women, across the globe for whom flying is a distant, even unknown or seemingly unachievable activity. The entire expedition was filmed for a documentary and will show, better than can be described by any citation, how this outreach to youngsters in the Middle East and Asia in particular was achieved. This was a singularly spectacular and successful advertisement for women in aviation, worldwide. Whether young women witnessed the flights directly, or indirectly by following social media or press campaigns, many will have been inspired by this ‘bird in a biplane’. In many of the countries en route and where Tracey and her team stopped-over, refuelled or put-on demonstration flights, a woman driving a car is almost unheard of, let alone flying a plane. Consider the impact that seeing a woman in the cockpit had on many of those young, impressionable women. The Master’s award recognises Tracey Curtis-Taylor’s work in raising awareness of science and technology in general, and aviation in particular, amongst young women across the world. In recognition of her role as leader of this aviation expedition, and all it achieved, Tracey Curtis-Taylor is awarded the Master's Medal for 2015/16." |
Note the HCAP Master's Medal criteria for :
For Outstanding Courage or Devotion to Duty in the Air Yeah, sure. Sorry, Tim Peake. |
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"Outstanding courage and devotion to duty in the air" ...I'm sure the only person who believes that crap, is Her Royal Selfness!
Tim Peake knows what he has achieved and deserves every accolade sent in his direction...a real and deserving person. |
I do hope for her sake that the pax flights were local sorties and not part of the "journey". Sorry to foist this one on you but watch the video linked here > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwMFpbT9VT8
You don't have to watch all of it but listen carfully at 1:10 onwards. She utters the executive command "You have control" and Ian responds with "I have control". Fine if it was just a local sortie, not so fine if it was on one of the main legs. As for the MM. I feel sorry for Tim Peake, I bet he is getting some right ribbing and banter in the Mess. "Oi Peakey, I hear you have another medal; amazing what you can get these days just for forgetting to pack a hairdryer". ...and that is why the HCAP need to distance themselves from the "Braggart-in-a-biplane" - continued support undermines the worth of what is issued to those who deserve recognition. By distancing I mean taking direct and positive action, not skulking away hoping it will all blow over; it won't. Given the evidence that has been presented and well researched, versus the fantasy dreamings of a modern-day Baron Munchausen. There are lots of similarities between TCT and BM, imaginative after-dinner speaking, and grandiose embellishments of unbelievable tales. However there is one subtle difference, Baron Munchausen's tales were satire designed to entertain and not to garner awards. |
SATCO, you sure are working your way through a lot of TCT videos, and I'm worried what effect listening to all that BS and self aggrandisement might have on you?
Be careful old chap, there probably isn't a cure once you catch it. |
No need to worry mate. I have to do a fair bit of computer work so I just listen to the audio whilst working. As an ex-ATCO I have a finely tuned bulls%%% detector. :suspect:
I have to say though, I don't think I have ever in all my days heard an individual use the words "I", "Me" and "My" as frequently as she does. :yuk: |
Amusingly on her home page on the BiaB there is a now a prominent link to "This Reprint of an article from the Times which explains some of the facts of her epic journeys and how the media has been misinformed by certain people trying to damage her reputation."
By this device of course the Times readers' comments are sidestepped. . :) Those who persevere to the "Media" section can still get through and read the piece in its entirety. So in her HCAP Master's medal citation is included the statement: "The Master’s award recognises Tracey Curtis-Taylor’s work in raising awareness of science and technology in general, However the good lady when interviewed stated: "I can’t bear technology – I know that it’s amazing to live in this world of instant communications, and obviously I couldn’t fly without some concession to modernity like GPS, .." https://avauntmagazine.com/tracey-curtis-taylor |
Times readers comments below.
Barry Tempest and Sam Rutherford get some stick fron one contributor. Comments are subject to our community guidelines, which can be viewed here. 10 comments Newest | Oldest | Most Recommended Michael Gibbs 1 day ago The Boeing Stearman is a trainer aircraft with dual controls. Have the dual controls in the front cockpit of Ms Curtis-Taylor aircraft been removed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing-Stearman_Model_75 RecommendReply Mr Dog 1 day ago "She admits she could have done more to correct misleading reports that made liberal use of the phrase 'flying solo'." This is, surely, an admission to being somewhat economical with the truth. Having said that, Mr Rutherford does sound something of a cad. Rupert Blackham 1 day ago Tracey, please tell us, How many legs on the Cape Town to Goodwood flight did you fly solo ? (Solo being defined as you, and you alone, in the Stearman) 5RecommendReply Saga Noren 2 days ago Sheer spite on the part of the awful little spoiled brat that is the incompetent Rutherford and the disgusting women-fearing bully that is Barry Tempest. Tracy did an amazing and inspiring flight. She's got a team who were inadequate in their failure to overcome press misrepresentation (as in the Times earlier this week). SHE did all the flying. Chapeau, Tracy. 1RecommendReply Rupert Blackham 1 day ago @Saga Noren Then why did both the Light Aircraft Association and the Honourable Company of Air Pilots rescind/ withdraw their awards if she was so amazing and inspiring (and solo !) ? 5RecommendReply Peter Dawe 1 day ago @Saga Noren Solo means unaccompanied, alone. 5RecommendReply Ann Lyon 1 day ago @Saga Noren Flying solo, that is, alone, is a very different business from having someone with you who can act as a lookout, help with the navigation (if not do it) and chat to you over the intercom so you don't feel lonely. Please read Sir Francis Chichester's book The Lonely Sea and the Sky to find out what the pioneer solo flyers of the 1920s and 1930s had to cope with. In order to fly from New Zealand to Australia, Chichester had to invent 'aim-off' navigation. Having turned his Gipsy Moth aircraft into a seaplane, he had nothing but trouble with the secondhand floats he had used, and at one point was stranded on a small island making repairs for so long that the nautical almanac he needed to work out his sextant sights ran out and he had to make up his own (fortunately, Chichester was a formidable mathematician). And despite what Ms Curtis-Taylor claims, the male flyers were just as much celebrities as Amy Johnson. 3RecommendReply Iain Chapman 2 days ago She obviously hasn't a clue what piloting an aeroplane alone means. 3RecommendReply St Ranger 1 day ago @Iain Chapman she did indeed pilot the aircraft alone as there are no other controls, what she did not do is fly solo. RecommendReply RDL 1 day ago @St Ranger the Stearman has dual controls in both cockpits, the instructor or more experienced pilot would normally sit in the front seat and the student in the rear seat so either person can fly the aircraft. |
the media has been misinformed by certain people trying to damage her reputation |
I guess I'll not be getting a Christmas card from Saga Noren...
Tracey doesn't yet have to fear any legal action from myself, I have better things to do with my time! Whilst her comments about me remain unfounded/inaccurate they are more damaging to her than they are to me. Whilst writing, I would like to thank those who are posting responses at The Times, on her FB page etc. Safe flights, Sam. |
Goodness me..
"The media has been misinformed.." That would have to go down as the quote of the year from the TCT camp. Well done! :D |
Ms Curtis-Taylor's clarifications
It is good to see that Ms Curtis-Taylor is so committed to clarifying the inaccurate reports made about her. In an earlier post, I set out three specific questions that I believe go to the heart of the allegations against her:
I would be interested in a reasoned response from the lady herself to just three questions: 1. What is the reconciliation between Ms Curtis-Taylor's well documented claim to have flown her african flight "solo" (Please see the video clip published earlier in this thread in which she personally makes that claim) and her subsequent public statement that the flight was not solo? 2. Given the above, what was she doing in the picture of her published earlier in this thread standing in front of a huge picture claiming she had been "Alone in an open cock-pit [sic] plane"? 3. By what authority, and with what qualification, does she wear RAF wings? If Ms Curtis-Taylor, can provide sensible and satisfactory answers: I am sure that most if not all of her critics would be silenced. Certainly I am prepared to be convinced. I look forward to hearing..... |
Originally Posted by Haraka
(Post 9562003)
So in her HCAP Master's medal citation is included the statement:
"The Master’s award recognises Tracey Curtis-Taylor’s work in raising awareness of science and technology in general, However the good lady when interviewed stated: "I can’t bear technology – I know that it’s amazing to live in this world of instant communications, and obviously I couldn’t fly without some concession to modernity like GPS, .." https://avauntmagazine.com/tracey-curtis-taylor I was at Farnborough Airshow all week - I was in the middle of the zone where thousands of young people (and a few parents, teachers, MPs, and for that matter two astronauts that I spotted) were streaming in the name of learning about and popularising science. I'll freely admit that I was paid to be there, but there were dozens of young women and men who had volunteered. I gave talks, the two astronauts gave talks - Spirit of Artemis was parked outside, but of TCT engaging in any science outreach activities - not a sign. Last week at Manchester Airport was "Into the Blue", the biggest Planet Science's outreach event ever held in Britain. Yep, I was there all week (and was paid to be there, I'm making no claims otherwise) - no TCT. I see various twitter feeds on science outreach, and can recall absolutely nothing mentioning "come and hear from Tracey Curtis-Taylor about how girls can become scientists and engineers". I just took a look at TCT's Wikipedia page there is no indication that she has ever walked-the-walk and actually obtained any science qualifications herself. I'm on the books of the Science Media Centre, who spearhead a lot of the news related science outreach in the UK. I've never seen any mention of her there. My wife is on the Editorial Board and a past president of the Women's Engineering Society - and has never had TCT engage in any of their activities. The Royal Aeronautical Society is of course the world's leading promoter of aerospace careers. There is no evidence I can find that she has ever engaged with the "Women in aviation and aerospace group", there's no evidence I can find that she has ever presented herself for membership. There is evidence that she was hosted once by a branch in Australia where she claimed to have done her trip to there solo (Royal Aeronautical Society | Society News | Australian Division hosts Tracey Curtis-Taylor ) While Curtis-Taylor’s flight was basically a solo exercise she did have occasional VIP passengers, including a member of the Greek royal family and a Saudi princess. Australian Division corporate partners in attendance at the exclusive event included Qantas, Boeing, Airservices Australia and the Royal Australian Air Force. G |
Yep saw that. I'm willing to accept that she has had the odd conversation with people along the lines of "flying is great, come do it".
Sorry, flying is flying, working in science and technology is something else altogether. A small number of gifted individuals do both - but as I said, I see no evidence that she has done anything whatsoever to "raise awareness of science and technology". G |
You need to ask Peter Benn.
He is the current Master of the HCAP and was determined she got a medal. The Chris Ford citation was a joke. Poor old Barry Tempest is getting some undeserved comments on her facebook page. Dave Perkin Dave Perkin Behind you on this Tracey. Not actually physically behind you, don't worry. Next they'll think I meant in the back seat and I'll be accused of taking the controls! �� 25 October at 19:02 Allan Friswell Allan Friswell I hope you bankrupt that small-minded spoilt brat that is Rutherford. I hope too that something VERY unpleasant happens to Barry Tempest, the LAA's Resident Misogynist, a man so afraid of women, let alone successful women he wets his pants when he meets one. Tracy - you're a star. xx 29 October at 14:12 Richard Aylmer-Hall Richard Aylmer-Hall Smacks of sexism and jealousy, these small-minded vindictive minnows can't take away what you have achieved. 8 · 25 October at 18:15 1 Reply Josie Banks Josie Banks Good luck dear girl. I have no doubts that you will come through this triumphant x 6 · 25 October at 18:19 Ben Smith Ben Smith Sorry, but your latest statement still doesn't cut-it. You still appear in denial of THE FACTS. Another fact is [in my opinion] i doubt that you could even navigate around the London TMA SOLO in the same spirit as Amy Johnson, stick & rudder. 5 · 25 October at 20:42 · Edited 3 Replies Tony ODowd Tony ODowd Regardless of this awful action to discredit you in many ways you have dedicated your life and merit to the spirit of aviation. Many others may do the talk but not the walk. 2 · 25 October at 20:19 |
It's interesting that all the FB comments quoted above attack, in a rather juvenile ad hominem way, the individuals who have called into question Ms Curtis-Taylor's claims.
None of them seems to have taken the trouble to research the established and clearly documented facts of the case, nor have they made any attempt to address them. I say again: what are the answers to the three simple questions I asked? |
The simplest answer to all that vitriol is to reply, where possible with this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fujEz...utu.be&t=9m40s Click on it above , then copy the link from your browser. |
I can’t bear technology I'd always thought a Stearman an odd choice of transport for a science and technology ambassador anyway. Wouldn't a real one have used a Cirrus or similar? Imagine the TCT Science and Technology festival tour bus arriving at some college for an "outreach" (aaah!) session in a 1930s Bedford bus...Credibility ten to the minus nine and falling, to misquote The Hitchiker's Guide. obviously I couldn’t fly without some concession to modernity like GPS, .." Not a line that sits easily with her claim to be a pilot imo. For shame, can't fly without GPS indeed. What a pathetic line. Nor, "obviously" without an accompanying modern airways equipped flying truck and a bunch of accompanying movers and shakers. Obviously. |
well, the plot thickens.
I have just been contacted by an investigative Journalist about a totally unrelated matter as part of my work. I broached the subject of TCT. She has now been briefed and has the links, brief history and asked some very pertinent questions - ones I duly answered honestly with factual evidence. Amazingly, she was more interested in this than the original reason for her call. :ok: |
Originally Posted by clareprop
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The simplest answer to all that vitriol is to reply, where possible with this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fujEz...utu.be&t=9m40s The short video can then be used when responding to these claims, providing something that can be understood by anyone in a matter of moments. |
Sorry to keep harping on about this. I'm afraid I don't do Facebook so can't do this myself; but could someone take the three questions I asked earlier and put them on her page?
Either she will have the courage to answer them, or they will "disappear". If she answers them directly and honestly, that should help clear things up; if they disappear, that is in itself an clear answer. It seems to me that 90% of the controversy is covered by those questions and her reaction to them should make the situation clear to everyone, critics and supporters alike. |
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