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I have the two key SOLO references from the Herne Bay day edited into one 15second clip. (2mb)
I cannot upload to here as MP4 is not permitted but can send via e-mail if you contact me via Private Message. :ok: |
Suggest you put it on YouTube or Vimeo, then anybody can link to it easily.
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Hey Sam , here's a link to TCT's Pilotweb interview about the quality of her crew
"How did you prepare for the journey? It took another four years to pull all the elements together for the flight. This variously included sourcing a suitable aeroplane, raising serious sponsorship money and finding a film company to document the story. I had a very good project manager and a huge number of friends supporting me although I think they had private doubts about whether it would actually happen. With regards to the actual expedition, I had a support aircraft (a Cessna Caravan) and for the most part a fantastic team which included the chase pilot,[/B][/B] a logistics manager, an engineer and a four-man film crew." |
Much amused by the comment from Saga Noren - "the disgusting women-fearing bully that is Barry Tempest." Disgusting...?? that is for others to decide but I think not. Women fearing...?? not at all, thoughout my 51 years of married life. Bully...?? never an attribute of mine (though I am fond of corned beef). Were I of a litigious nature I might just feel inclined to sue Saga Noren.
Cheers, Barry Tempest _________________________ Reading a bit further I noted a post from Allan Friswell Allan Friswell "I hope you bankrupt that small-minded spoilt brat that is Rutherford. I hope too that something VERY unpleasant happens to Barry Tempest, the LAA's Resident Misogynist, a man so afraid of women, let alone successful women he wets his pants when he meets one. Tracy - you're a star. xx" Now Allan I hope your wish is reciprocated. I am not and have never been a misogynist, or afraid of women (except when they are extremely annoyed) and incontinence has yet to affect me. |
Originally Posted by Jonzarno
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Sorry to keep harping on about this. I'm afraid I don't do Facebook so can't do this myself; but could someone take the three questions I asked earlier and put them on her page?
Either she will have the courage to answer them, or they will "disappear". If she answers them directly and honestly, that should help clear things up; if they disappear, that is in itself an clear answer. It seems to me that 90% of the controversy is covered by those questions and her reaction to them should make the situation clear to everyone, critics and supporters alike. apart from her press release on 24 Oct posted on her FB page about her consternation of these issues she does not reply to any of the FB comments to this of which there are over 50 - many of which seem sycophantic but there are recent increasingly pressing negative responses against her which I am amused and amazed at have not been replied to or deleted https://www.facebook.com/birdinabiplane/?fref=ts |
Given the very similar language and layout, I think we can safely assume that Saga Noren is actually Allan Friswell - this from his FB post:
Allan Friswell I hope you bankrupt that small-minded spoilt brat that is Rutherford. I hope too that something VERY unpleasant happens to Barry Tempest, the LAA's Resident Misogynist, a man so afraid of women, let alone successful women he wets his pants when he meets one. Tracy - you're a star. xx |
Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford
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Given the very similar language and layout, I think we can safely assume that Saga Noren is actually Allan Friswell - this from his FB post:
Allan Friswell I hope you bankrupt that small-minded spoilt brat that is Rutherford. I hope too that something VERY unpleasant happens to Barry Tempest, the LAA's Resident Misogynist, a man so afraid of women, let alone successful women he wets his pants when he meets one. Tracy - you're a star. xx he has replied negatively to various posts on her FBook with some more rantings |
Anyone recall this fighting talk as Johnathan Aitken unleashed his vicious counter attack on the Guardian newspaper who had dared to accuse him of lying?
'If it falls to me to start a fight to cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism in our country with the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of fair play, so be it. I am ready for the fight.' |
That which is indefensible (e.g. "RAF" Wings & "Solo" proven statements) is being ignored.
Instead we are now, as predicted, getting increasingly wilder counter accusations being flung about, whilst frantically back pedalling and trying to divert the argument into, for example, an emotive "Wimmin' " issue. All of this in an attempt to gain the sympathy of those unfamiliar with the "actualité " . It's a familiar path which generally leads to a greater denouement. We shall see. |
In last Saturdays Times she accused the various newspapers,magazines and tv reporters as "misreporting" her solo claims.
She admits she could have done more to correct misleading reports that made liberal use of the phrase “flying solo”. “I wish we’d sorted that misreporting out but I can’t do everything all of the time,” she said. That is what the press reported and you are now trying to retract. I wonder if the Royal Navy are aware of the fact that you never flew these expeditions alone? |
Jay,
I'm told the editors of all newspapers, including The Times, have been sent a copy of the video where she says she flew solo. |
I wonder if the Royal Navy are aware of the fact that you never flew these expeditions alone? If and when one of the broadsheets decides to run with this in a full on expose, that process might well speed up. I'm told the editors of all newspapers, including The Times, have been sent a copy of the video where she says she flew solo. I would suggest nobody reacts to her sycophantic trolls on here or anywhere else. They have no idea what she represents and no idea the damage she is doing to the industry. Why would they? I also think it is wrong to criticise her PR manager. So far he is doing a splendid job, even though we don't like the job he is doing. One thing is certain; he will for sure read be reading this thread...so with my business consultant hat on...here's a freebie for you, dear chap. "Make sure you a getting paid up front mate and sorry about all the unpaid overtime you're having to put in". |
Sponsors, facilitators and patrons...
I'm sure that they've all been working pretty hard preparing their "Plausible Deniability" statements. Tim Kelly, however, as TOFO has noted above, will be putting in all those extra hours because he'd somewhere heard that famous phrase: "If I go down, I'm taking you with me!" |
I think Tim Kelly is well and truly in the firing line. His role as the PR leader would have meant it was he who prepared any press-releases or press-packs. Also on the BIAB page the media are directed to his e-mail address. Whatever he has produced in the past must have been signed-off by the BIAP team, and as Team Leader, that falls upon TCT herself. They are both culpable.
In preparing any media packs I wonder how the conversation between them went. Was it a case of TK mentioning SOLO and her ladyship agreeing with it, or TK not mentioning this crucial aspect and her telling him to use the word SOLO. Either way smacks of a deliberate attempt to embellish the truth to achieve a wider audience and get unjustified acclaim. Well TK and TCT, I don't think you realise just how wide an audience you are about to reach - and the news that is going to be published isn't going to be sweet and supportive of you. I think it is time to drop the aviatrix title and revert to being the plain and simple Ms Curtis-Taylor (PPL). As for TK Media, how did you get it sooooo wrong, did you really think that the truth would not come out? Just sayin' :E |
G-KEST it seems to me you are suffering from 'damage and distress'' a phrase TCT was keen to use
Claiming Compensation Under Data Protection Act |
Evening PPruNers,
Thus far , I have only been an observer on here, but seeing as the Proposer of the dreaded LAA motion [Hi Barry] seems to be have got himself a few 'bullet wounds' , then I may as well take a few myself. As seconder , I must just emphasise that I don't really think that we should be responding to Guardian readers [or any other readers] on-line comments to this matter. We are a bit above that ! The recent developments have just about shut down anything that Tracey has said in the last 2 years . The rest of this has to be aimed at the people who seem to persist in perpetuating this caviar and champagne fuelled junket, dressed up as a global circumnavigation attempt and will not accept that it's over ! I'm not interested in exterminating individuals , but cannot accept that the people further up the food chain cannot see that the oxygen supply on this is gradually turning into 100% nitrogen ! Very dangerous . Jay-Sata , yourself and Sam have done a brilliant job in exposing these pretenders. They have no place in aviation ! |
Hi Chris, thank you. There are many that commend what you both have done onn that side, equally Jay and Sam on here. The LAA were right to give the award based upon what was known at the time, they were right to rescind it once the truth was out. And to the doubters that were at the AGM... just show them the clear denials from TCT and then show the video clips from Herne Bay 2014.:ok:
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Wrong Mr Morris. Just responding to some hilarious accusations. I recall that saying - "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me". The saga continues...........!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers, Barry |
You must have been called a few names in your examining days Barry:ok:
Sam and myself may have played an initial role but credit must go to the many excellent people who have devoted time on often very detailed posts. Pprune is sometimes described as a place where arguments develop but it is a credit to you all so little moderation has been needed. I sincerely hope the day will come when a woman genuinly commemorates the historic flights of Mary Heath and Amy Johnson and attempts to recreate them in a realistic timeframe. Britain's only Tiger Moth commercial pilot, Amanda Harrison ,has expressed a desire to attempt the UK to Sydney trip. I am sure she will have plenty of support if her plans are revived. Jonzaro has raised some interesting questions. I feel it is about time the press gave some of her critics the space to put forward the truth and explain why we object to TCT's claims. |
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"....but cannot accept that the people further up the food chain cannot see that the oxygen supply on this is gradually turning into 100% nitrogen ! Very dangerous ." So far, the BiaB has been shown to be a fraud by a bunch of folks on a web-forum raking over a few facts that are already in the public domain; those observations only needed to be pointed out in a king’s-new-clothes style revelation. However, Satco informs us that an investigative journalist is now taking an interest; I feel that there are still richer seams left to be explored……. |
the oxygen supply on this is gradually turning into 100% nitrogen ! Still no reply to my three questions: the longer we wait, the worse it smells.... :eek: |
There have been ongoing arguments on her Wikipedia page for months. Now, there is an attempt to remove it which apparently, requires a discussion page where people can vote and make comments on her 'notability' which is the main requirement for an entry. This one was made yesterday which I thought was quite focussed:
'Comment' Is Curtis –Taylor a notable woman who is a pilot, is she a notable pilot who is a woman or has she any other form of notability? I don’t think she passes the first premise as she is not known outside of the subject matter. An example would be Carol Voderman, already a celebrity, who has taken up flying as a hobby and intends to use the skill for various charity projects and as ambassador to the RAF Air Cadets. The second premise would include a rather long list. Amy Johnson and Amelia Earhardt we all know about but what about contemporaries of Curtis-Taylor? Polly Vacher: A number of solo flights against time in potentially hazardous regions Martha McSally: Kim Cambell, Jeanni Leavitt, Sara Joiner, Helen Seymour, Julie Gibson, Kirsty Moore, Juliette Fleming. All of those are military fighter pilots Kate McWilliams and about 50 others are female airline captains. There are at least 10 female pilots who are astronauts and another 10 who are international winners of aerobatics competitions. So how does Curtis-Taylor compare against their achievements? Well, if she had flown the two trips she made solo then maybe it would be worth looking at. But even solo, while flying a reproduction aircraft in the highest form of maintenance with modern aviation electronics in four-hour stints with the back-up of another aircraft, logistics etc, might be interesting, it's not particularly hazardous or challenging. There are those who might comment that every weekend hundreds of light aircraft owners fly solo (in aircraft, a number of which are 40-50 years old) across the Channel to destinations in France, Belgium and The Netherlands without any form of preparation or support other than checking the weather, route information and relying on their skills. Of course, we now know Curtis-Taylor did not fly solo. Where’s the notability as a woman pilot then? Maybe it’s the ‘Outreach’ program. Outreaching what though? Telling African kid’s they can become pilots? Why not doctor’s or engineer’s? Telling Indian women they can better themselves as a pilot? Many thanks but they have a few dozen fighter and military pilot's already not to mention dozens of commercial ones. Bringing science and technology. What technology is that? So finally, other notability? For more than two years, Curtis-Taylor, her sponsors and PR agents convinced the media, a few aviation bodies, a university and the Royal Navy that she flew solo. Now, having been found out and by her own admission, she admits she didn’t fly solo. Maybe that's the notable bit?178.255.43.148 (talk) 07:18, 1 November 2016 (UTC) |
Just a thought !
In 2013, for the Africa trip, did they tell everyone that it was solo and then when they changed their minds they then tried to tell everyone it was not solo but couldn't get around all the press outlets - so not their fault, then ........ in 2015 for the OZ trip, did they tell everyone that it was solo and then when they changed their minds they tried to tell everyone it was not solo but couldn't get around all the press outlets - so not their fault, then ........ Just wondered ! |
Having met Barry Tempest several times (we once even appeared on the same TV show!) may I be the first to confirm that he is not a 'woman-fearing bully' nor a misogynist.
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Originally Posted by Good Business Sense
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Just a thought !
In 2013, for the Africa trip, did they tell everyone that it was solo and then when they changed their minds they then tried to tell everyone it was not solo but couldn't get around all the press outlets - so not their fault, then ........ [...] Just wondered !
Originally Posted by Libertine
Spirit Of Artemis – The Profit Bird In Flight
Posted by Libertine on 18 September 2013 We were down at the Goodwood Revival Festival last week to bid farewell to pilot Tracey-Curtis Taylor before she embarks on a solo flight in her open cockpit plane – Spirit of Artemis – from Cape Town to Goodwood. The expedition, which is recreating the journey that pioneering female aviator Mary Heath made in 1928, is being sponsored by Artemis.
Originally Posted by Libertine
We’ve spent the last few months working alongside Artemis, Tracey and the team to design the branding of the plane.
(Source for both quotes) So Artemis' advertising agency (of about nine years years' standing with Atremis at the time of those statements), despite having "spent the last few months working alongside Artemis, Tracey and the team", was unaware as late as the 18th September 2013 that this was not going to be a "solo flight".:ok: |
One thing Tracey doesn't seem to have realised...
If she had done these flights solo, that might have been something worthy of admiration and an award or two. But she didn't. She says so herself now, whatever she said in the past. And doing flights like that with back-up and someone else in the cockpit is easy, particularly if that person knows about aviation. I could do it. Any one of you with a PPL could do it. It simply isn't worthy of comment, let alone an award. And as for encouraging women into aviation, I suspect that as a female instructor I did far more of that then she did or ever will. No-one gave me an award for that, and I woudn't want one. If I were Tracey, and I'd done the flights as she had, I'd REFUSE awards. Receiving them would be highly embarrassing. Can't she see that? What sort of pilot accepts accolades for doing ordinary flights? Tracey, your latest attempt to explain this is only making you appear an utter fool. I suggest you stop and quietly disappear into the background where flights like yours belong. |
Originally Posted by B70
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CM
".... However, Satco informs us that an investigative journalist is now taking an interest; I feel that there are still richer seams left to be explored……. It may be worth highlighting the latest developments to the Portsmouth Press. They have already run two articles and I see no reason why a third wouldn't be of interest to their readers especially as it reaches the attendees and staff at Portsmouth Uni and also a large contingent of RN personnel. Latest one is here: Bird in a biplane hits back at ?false claims? - The News |
I have had to join this forum because every day since SWB posted the video of TCT using the word solo I've been looking forward to reading the latest chapter in this incredible story in the national press and the suspense is killing me. Is it that journalists are taking their time to write a really considered and definitive piece? (please, conspiracy theorists, suggestions that friendship with royalty is sufficient to confer complete protection from the press don't hold water). I'd hazard a guess that if there was some way the general public could contact Jay S or SWB privately there would be a tidal wave of revelations from people with corroborating information. Makes the journalists' job a piece of cake so I can't understand what's keeping them.
Another thing I've been expecting is outraged women pilots defending the profession from accusations of misogyny. Women pilots out there, is there maybe a grain of truth in those accusations? Finally can anyone direct me to the reason TCT has given for the change in the original plan to fly solo? |
I could do it. Any one of you with a PPL could do it.
Erm, as it happens, with an instructor in the front seat you even don't need a PPL to do it... |
The Times suggested the aircraft cannot be flown from the front seat.:D
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The Times suggested the aircraft cannot be flown from the front seat. P.S. Perhaps it all depends upon whether or not there is a sole pilot on board? |
Somewhere in the last twenty pages, I recall there's a link to, or image of, five of them being flown from the front seat. Maybe The Times would like to ask our Pprune expert on the subject, Danny, how he flew his Stearman a few years back...?
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I should have quoted Ewald Gritsch her passenger up front..
Mr Gritsch dismissed the claims as “absolute nonsense. People are talking about things they don’t understand. You can’t start the engine in the front. All the flying is done by the pilot in the rear, as is normal in vintage aircraft. It’s quite simple — |
Happy to assist:
http://91.189.44.144/vintage/all-abo...arman-history/ Click on the link, scroll down the page and click on the image of the five Stearman's. |
From what I have seen ALL in-house PR by Artemis/BIAB has been to misrepresent SOLO until being rumbled.
An in-house video was even posted in May 2016 by BIAB on Facebook to conspire with the above, depicting departing SOLO alone. I suspect she may now say that she was departing to get some fuel. :-) https://www.facebook.com/birdinabipl...3283639927312/ Someone remarkably resembling Ewald can be seen at 0.5 standing in the background. Boeing Field have now confirmed 2 POB arriving/departing. A few photographers have captured Ewald up front, but I suspect this would have just been excused as a local dual jolly point x - x at a later date if this story had not unfolded as one of the biggest scandals in modern aviation. |
Originally Posted by newsjunkie
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I have had to join this forum because every day since SWB posted the video of TCT using the word solo I've been looking forward to reading the latest chapter in this incredible story in the national press and the suspense is killing me. Is it that journalists are taking their time to write a really considered and definitive piece? (please, conspiracy theorists, suggestions that friendship with royalty is sufficient to confer complete protection from the press don't hold water). I'd hazard a guess that if there was some way the general public could contact Jay S or SWB privately there would be a tidal wave of revelations from people with corroborating information. Makes the journalists' job a piece of cake so I can't understand what's keeping them.
Another thing I've been expecting is outraged women pilots defending the profession from accusations of misogyny. Women pilots out there, is there maybe a grain of truth in those accusations? Finally can anyone direct me to the reason TCT has given for the change in the original plan to fly solo? The press are well aware of this site and as far as I know everything that we on here have posted has been accompanied by a link to the source material. They will have seen the BiaB pages and the endless changes to her statements and her continued refusal to accept that she is directly responsible for people believing she was solo- this attracted awards which are unjustified. The LAA have taken the first major step by rescinding one of these awards. Next it will (hopefully) be HCAP, Portsmouth Poly and the Royal Navy doing likewise. I may be hoping for too much but I am not going to give up. I find her action shameless and offensive to all who have achieved great things the hard way. As mentioned before. From Sam Rutherford - One story, One version, No changes. I know who I respect. |
If I'm not mistaken, the Australian Women Pilots Association (AWPA) awarded a certificate to her granting honorary membership for, 'Her Solo Flight from the UK to Sydney Australia'.
Obviously like others, they had the wool expertly pulled over their eyes - especially as there are photo's of her happily accepting the certificate. Given the latest revelations, I wonder if that award is to be rescinded? |
Youtube link to the video clips is now online here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZD6IsGmGgw
Her full speech is here - https://youtu.be/lpFQmFx7u8c |
clareprop,
Post #1874 on page 94 by Jay Sata includes the relevant message from the president of the AWPA to him. [quote=Jay Sata;9547953]It appears there is a further step back from the solo claims with this news from the Australian Women Pilots Association.[/ote] |
they had the wool expertly pulled over their eyes - especially as there are photo's of her happily accepting the certificate. http://www.16right.com/Aircraft-Imag...160109-001.jpg The word "solo" is quite plainly visible. I wonder where the AWPA got their information from ? Would it have been from those pesky unreliable newspapers or given that their delegation just happened to be in a hangar at Sydney on the day she arrived, along with the certificate ? Let's just assume that it was a carefully orchestrated photo opportunity engineered by the spin team. |
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