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Danny42C 13th Jan 2017 13:31

SATCO'S WHIPPING BOY (#3345),

Thank you for the thumbnails - No.5 of the first group gives a good look at the prop. It is clear that is in the (correct) "Fine" pitch position. (Google <Two-speed propellers> "Diagram of controllable two-speed pitch mechanism").

Many Pages ago I have Posted my doubts (based on less clear pics) on this point. I now fully recant !

(I was in ATC at Linton Sept/'62 - Summer/'64 - you do not give your age.......?????)

Danny42C.

B70 13th Jan 2017 13:45

As Artemis should have known - your investment can go down as well as up.

piperboy84 13th Jan 2017 15:09

Anyone got a pics of the instrument panel pre-crash and another after it was rebuild and flown to Farnborough to see if its the same aircraft.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 13th Jan 2017 16:04


Originally Posted by rugmuncher (Post 9639458)
She called it a Crash in her post on F-book.

"Ewald Gritsch and his team of Hungarian engineers at 3G Classic Aviation have done the most stupendous job of rebuilding my Boeing Stearman after it was very badly damaged by a crash landing in Arizona in early May.
With the rapid and brilliant support of my global insurance partner, General Insurance Corporation of India (GIC Re), we were able to expedite the airlift of the Stearman back to Europe where the engineers have been working eighteen hour days to get it serviceable again."

I can't imagine it taking 18 hour days to swap a Mod-Plate from one of Ewalds Aircraft to another though.

Also, I wonder if General Insurance Corporation of India (GIC Re) had any stipulations or conditions in place regarding who could be Pilot and who could be passenger?

She may have stated on FB it was a crash (bigs it up to her acolytes) but she certainly didn't let the NTSB know it was a crash when she reported it as an INCIDENT.

9 lives 13th Jan 2017 16:43


How could he not just land it when the engine failed? I can see her screwing it into the ground, but what was he thinking?
I've done a lot of advanced type training. When you get more comfortable with you candidate pilot as you progress through training, to the point when you're allowing them more, without paying so much attention. Then one day, they catch you out. They get it wrong, and you aren't paying as close attention, until it's too late. I've had to make a couple of urgent "I've got it"s. So far so good, but I knew I'd left it too late. I can easily see how Ewald got stuck in the same situation. I have recognized a number of times that my candidate and I were in a state of flight where an engine failure would be an accident - 'cause I could not fix it either. We discussed it as a learning moment.

Yes, I view TCT as still at the "student" to be closely watched skill level - particularly because of what she has written, and how she has flown!

Gonzo 13th Jan 2017 17:18

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Is it just me or has TCT's Facebook page been wiped clean of ALL posts?

The photos and videos are still there, but 'posts' have all gone!

India Four Two 13th Jan 2017 17:25

It's just you, Gonzo! ;)

fwjc 13th Jan 2017 17:51

Had to post this because I hate to see someone bad-mouthed unnecessarily.

To make it clear, I feel great disappointment at the way in which Tracey and her team have chosen to represent their travels, and agree that many of her awards have been made based on false statements.

However having flown with Tracey as a passenger and watched her practice display from various perspectives, I am quite happy to fly with her and I am confident in her ability to handle tailwheel aeroplanes. I would have no issue with flying with her. There is no real evidence to suggest that her flying abilities are anything other than acceptable. There may be some evidence to suggest that her navigational skills have room for improvement. But unless you have specific evidence to question her ability to fly the aeroplane, please don't be unkind.

Note: before you raise the arizona incident, I know of a many tens of thousands of hours highly experienced pilot who managed to ground loop a Stearman. Nobody is questioning their ability. Similarly there are umpteen very experienced people who have had unfortunate incidents, particularly in vintage types. It doesn't mean that they're rubbish pilots, necessarily. It just means that on that day, in that situation, they might have made a mistake. Old aeroplanes are less forgiving of that than modern types.

In summary: I agree with the unmasking relating to false claims. I disagree with this unkind, unfounded judgement about her flying abilities.

Fly-by-Wife 13th Jan 2017 18:02

fwjc, that is a very good post and a fair point well made.

FBW

Right Hand Thread 13th Jan 2017 18:22

Having heard her own descriptions of low flying, being "...within half a wingspan of the cliff..." and complete disregard for rules and regulations I would most definitely question her ability and judgement.

9 lives 13th Jan 2017 19:43


I disagree with this unkind, unfounded judgement about her flying abilities.
I understand it's upsetting to read criticism of the flying skills or judgement of a fellow pilot. A part of my role in mentoring during advanced type training I offer to some, may be to save a pilot from themselves. Toward this end, I consider how a pilot presents them self to form an opinion of how they may choose to fly when unsupervised. So when I hear [read] a pilot saying things like:


Curtis-Taylor calls herself a "bit of a maverick".

"I have an ipad with my airspace because that's often a very difficult thing when you fly a vintage aeroplane through so many countries, crossing international borders, through military zones, restricted airspace, into international airports, it's very difficult to do with an aeroplane like this."

"This is an aerobatic aeroplane, so I can be turning steeply around things. I had a lot of training, ironically with some military pilots, and I did a little bit of display flying, and formation flying and aerobatic training, so all of that really came together for these expeditions for the sort of flying that we're doing."

"Sometimes I'm only half a wingspan away from rock faces, or flying the dead sea at about 15 feet in formation with another Stearman."

the first thing she said was "I need a drink!"

I ignored procedure,” she admits, eyes twinkling. “The place was deserted, so I just flew through the gorge. I was hauled over the coals by air traffic control for two hours.

There was another time in Uganda, when I flew into a prohibited zone. The controller gave me the wrong directions, so I ended up over the president’s house. By the time I landed, there was a summons to the tower and they tried to impound the plane. I said, 'That’s ridiculous. Arrest me instead.’”

“I’ve had some rough experiences. I’ve been made to fly at the same altitudes as commercial jets. That’s just dangerous.

"Over the sea, I was flying at 10 feet or below over breeding whales"

I read a pilot who not only will admit to poor pilot self discipline, but will boast about it, and apparently repeatedly. Some of what is quoted above is simply embarrassing! I would be mortified to be quoted having said such things, because it would be a glimpse into my poor piloting attitude.

I wrote:


Yes, I view TCT as still at the "student" to be closely watched skill level - particularly because of what she has written, and how she has flown!
I will allow that perhaps flying a more basic aircraft type, and with no audience to show off to, TCT maybe will demonstrate a bit more of the professional attitude for which she seems to want to receive such public accolade.

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 13th Jan 2017 19:59

Th situation is far worse than that Step Turn.

Not only have all of the above been boasted about by her, she has received encouragement from what should be reputable sources. If a pilot can do all of that and still be rewarded by the Air League or HCAP and do it all with a very experienced airline pilot (with in excess of 20,000 hours) sat up front, what kind of message does that send to the recipient.

This is one of the main reasons that anyone like TCT should NEVER be held up as a role-model.

hobbit1983 13th Jan 2017 20:14

Role model or not, false representations or not, you can't deny there are a few posters on this thread that are UTTERLY obsessed with TCT. It has gotten rather ugly at times.

Having said that, don't stop chaps...it makes for the kind of fascinating yet slightly grotesque reading you just can't stop following.

Although try as I might, I can't really see TCT suddenly turning around and saying "gosh, I AM sorry, assembled PPrune Posters. Here is a full apology..."

piperboy84 13th Jan 2017 21:16


Although try as I might, I can't really see TCT suddenly turning around and saying "gosh, I AM sorry, assembled PPRuNe Posters. Here is a full apology..."
Yes you're right on that one, but also because of those same Pprune posters nobody is going to say to TCT "Here's another $2m to fly around bullshitting the public and telling impressionable youngsters a pack of lies"

sophi 13th Jan 2017 21:48

Just a reminder....the mods have been very patient. This thread could face extinction if we shoot off at tangents every other page rather than sticking to facts and evidence.

Right Hand Thread 13th Jan 2017 23:20

Speaking of facts and evidence, from Step Turn's post above.


TCT. "There was another time in Uganda, when I flew into a prohibited zone. The controller gave me the wrong directions, so I ended up over the president’s house. By the time I landed, there was a summons to the tower and they tried to impound the plane. I said, 'That’s ridiculous. Arrest me instead."


When I was unfortunate enough to hear this drivel from her we got a slightly different version:

TCT "....and once again we didn't have the charts and I orbit left which took us over sort of part of the city and there below is a fabulous paladial (sic) mansion so did some sightseeing..."

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 14th Jan 2017 01:27

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It's late, but information from a contact at Winslow,Az has just come in, thought you all might be interested. This is the crash site.

David Thompson 14th Jan 2017 01:37

Well, I'm a-standin' on a corner in Winslow, Arizona
Such a fine sight to see
It's a girl, my Lord, in a flat-bent Boeing
Slowin' down to take a look at me
Come on, baby, don't say maybe
I gotta know if your sweet love is gonna save me
We may lose and we may win, though we will never be here again
So open up Ewalds climbin' in, so take it easy


With apologies to Jackson Browne and Glenn Frey .

piperboy84 14th Jan 2017 01:51

How much further ahead off the departure end of 29 is the railroad, power lines and village she was turning to avoid ?

Piltdown Man 14th Jan 2017 08:43

RHT - I believe you are being very generous to TCT. It took about two minutes to get this. Yet this operation had years to plan, a full support crew, satellite links and still failed to get charts of the places they were going to fly to. And as a last ditch measure, what stopped them from calling the airfield prior to departure? Not being briefed in this case is criminal. You also have to wonder about the the quality of the other pilots around her. Unless of course the information was obtained but she didn't know what is was and/or couldn't be bothered to use it. It also makes you question her basic training, after all, she had been trained by military pilots and she has been an instructor... so she says. The picture of her kneeboard several pages back was probably her entire flight plan from the UK to Australia.

A totally dreadful role model on so many different levels.

PM


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