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clareprop 24th Sep 2018 12:05

Extract, dated 26 October 2016, taken from BiaB website (courtesy waybackmachine.com) : https://web.archive.org/web/20161026...24%20Oct%2016/


Mr Rutherford has engaged in an online media campaign to discredit me and the BIAB team members by making false assertions concerning the expeditions and the roles of team members. I have previously stated publicly that I consider this to be part of a course of conduct designed to cause damage and distress. Mr Rutherford’s campaign is also promoted by his associate, Mike Flynn (who also operates under the pseudonym, Jay Sata) in the press and in online forums, and in particular Pprune. The actions of Mr Rutherford are now the subject of legal proceedings and have been reported to the police. Sam Rutherford is a member of the LAA – he was not present at the AGM but was represented by his proxy, Chris Martyr (see above).
Ms Curtis-Taylor is very clear. She is not threatening legal proceedings in her statement, she is saying the actions of the named individual are the subject of legal proceedings and have been reported to the police. So, nearly two years on, should Mr Rutherford have the time or inclination, perhaps he might update us on what must have been an extremely stressful experience for him?

Above The Clouds 24th Sep 2018 12:05


Originally Posted by Sam Rutherford (Post 10256756)
Looks like this slipped through the net as well:

https://www.pensaevents.co.uk/tracey-curtis-taylor/

All these pesky people all getting it wrong all the time...

Has anyone called Chris at 'Pensaevents' to update him of the truth regarding this alleged 'Solo' flight ?

To discuss a bespoke event please contact: [email protected] // +44 (0)7813 618838

Cazalet33 24th Sep 2018 12:14


have been reported to the police
Isn't 'wasting Police time' a criminal offence in England?

Pilot DAR 24th Sep 2018 12:29

A review of the PENSA website revealed this statement: (my underline)


PENSA creates bespoke events for market-leading corporate clients largely from the financial, legal & tech sectors. For our clients we curate the most authentic, creative, content-driven experiences in their clients' calendars.


Gonzo 24th Sep 2018 14:43

I assume someone has contacted them to inform them that they have made a mistake in their write up?

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 24th Sep 2018 15:12

I wouldn't be overly worried about the PENSA text, it comes as no surprise to anyone who can see through the sham. TCT has always had a great desire to over-egg her own abilities and achievements. She has left a trail of destruction behind her due to her ability to wind people up. I seem to recall some of her earlier promo material she described herself as "the first female pilot to be based at Shuttleworth" When she was asked to remove that claim because it implied she was one of the Shuttleworth Collection pilots rather than someone who just happened to keep their plane there, or even just to clarify the point, she refused. It wasn't long after that that her tenancy was withdrawn and she was asked to remove her plane.

Can anyone confirm this was the case? This pre-dates the Africa trip and my memory is not as good as it used to be and I have no intention of digging through all of the TCT generated rubbish and self-aggrandising clap-trap.
ta
SWB

Sam Rutherford 24th Sep 2018 15:59

@clareprop

I read earlier in the thread that I should only become horrified at approximately the three year mark, and not after just 24 months.

I can confirm that absolutely nothing came of the various letters/threats - I suspect it is because everything I have said and written is true. This is probably something of an impediment to any legal action.

I've also not heard anything from the police, who undoubtedly have better things to be doing.

Going after people 'wasting police time' would seem to be just one option!

India Four Two 24th Sep 2018 17:10

Tracey, Tracey,
Give me your answer, do!
I’m half crazy,
Waiting for word from you.
It wasn’t a solo journey,
Please don’t attempt to fool me,
But you look sweet,
In the back seat,
Of a Stearman made for two.

With apologies to Harry Dacre.

Littlest Hobo 24th Sep 2018 20:15


Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY (Post 10257173)
I wouldn't be overly worried about the PENSA text, it comes as no surprise to anyone who can see through the sham. TCT has always had a great desire to over-egg her own abilities and achievements. She has left a trail of destruction behind her due to her ability to wind people up. I seem to recall some of her earlier promo material she described herself as "the first female pilot to be based at Shuttleworth" When she was asked to remove that claim because it implied she was one of the Shuttleworth Collection pilots rather than someone who just happened to keep their plane there, or even just to clarify the point, she refused. It wasn't long after that that her tenancy was withdrawn and she was asked to remove her plane.

Can anyone confirm this was the case? This pre-dates the Africa trip and my memory is not as good as it used to be and I have no intention of digging through all of the TCT generated rubbish and self-aggrandising clap-trap.
ta
SWB

Here you go, from the previous website www.capetowntogoodwood.com

https://web.archive.org/web/20130903...ogoodwood.com/

https://web.archive.org/web/20131027...the-pilot.html

And linked from www.capetowntogoodwood.com:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...ic-flight.html

Bid to recreate 1928 solo flight | Anglia - ITV News

Mike Flynn 24th Sep 2018 21:25

Ewald Gritsch And Tracey Curtis Taylor
 
Ewald has been in touch via a third party who is not allowed to post on here.

This is what he says.


Navigational problems” on the African expedition:

A lot of pilots can tell you that TC is simply a good pilot (and navigator).

But the navigational problems TC had in Africa were caused by the lack of proper aviation maps, charts and information.

Her logistics manager S.R. was hired and well paid for providing the complete flight planning and navigational support for this trip. But in the end he failed to deliver a proper planning and documentation!

From Cape Town on Tracey and her team had to improvise the navigation and flight planning for the entire trip along Africa. As the expedition had already started she did this with whatever information she could gather along the route, e.g. from locals pilots. Yes, this lack of proper maps and information caused some tricky situations. But there were more organizational problems to come which caused a lot more difficult situations….caused by the logistics manager.



“Financial situation” of the expeditions, “Money making machine”:

Overall a part of the expedition costs was covered by the sponsors, a good part of it privately by Tracey.

Ironically the person who was earning by far the most money was S.R.!

On a sidenote all the sponsors are still happy with the success of TC and all of them knew from the early days on that it would not be a solo flight but a team effort. More than a dozen of these sponsors joined her on flights over various continents. Also no award was given on basis of the solo word, but on the fact that she had successfully organised and piloted these expeditions, as well as on the success of her outreach program “women in aviation”.



So as a conclusion these two major topics are 100% backfiring on Sam R.


Jonzarno 24th Sep 2018 21:30


Originally Posted by nickswebs (Post 10256666)
Hi again Happy Pruners

This is my last post because I’ve far more trivial things to do with my time

Just a few quickies before I leave

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY ( #4200)
Q. Nick Adams, when are we going to see your great admission of guilt up on the BiaB site? Perhaps doing so may convey two things; a genuine desire to take the blame for this small piece of the whole charade, and confirmation that you are indeed who you say you are.
A. Confirmation of who I am is here on the website (type /nick/ after the .com) and unlike many of the people here I am using my own name and not hiding behind a pseudonym (which seems a little cowardly to me)

Null Orifice (#4192)
Q. Friends in high place
A. and in my case; friends in low places : )

Cazalet33 (#4171)
Q. the adverse consequences of stating the truth but I won't be losing any sleep over it. The adverse consequences are a result of her not telling the truth, Nick.
A. I’m sure that you haven’t deliberately misunderstood but just to clarify, I was referring to adverse consequences to me of me stating the truth

etc etc (ad infinitum)

Anyway, much as I have enjoyed our little interactions this is the last post from me.

Many people on this forum seem very angry, my advice is to relax and enjoy life a bit more.

Sorry I didn’t enter fully into the spirit of things of this hysterical witch hunt but I like to think that civilisation has evolved a little from the days of the ducking stool . . . . . . or maybe I'm wrong?


Sorry to see you go!

It’s a shame that you didn’t answer any of the Three Questions, especially since you specifically asked me what they are.

Oh, and I’m not in the least angry: just sad to see what some might consider to be the sheer lack of integrity and, frankly, cowardice that a failure to address these simple issues demonstrates on the part of both Ms Curtis-Taylor and her surrogates.

As I’ve said before: if there are good answers, why not give them? If not, it’s much better and more honourable to own up. If that is the case, and is what Ms Curtis-Taylor ends up doing, I will be at the front of the queue wanting to welcome her back into the GA community.

The continuing refusal to address these points simply guarantees the worst possible outcome for her and, frankly, I’d be amazed if her attempt to get her LAA award back is met with anything other than complete ridicule.

PS “Hysterical witch hunt”? You don’t write for Donald Trump as well do you? ;)

Mike Flynn 24th Sep 2018 21:36

I am hearing rumours Jonzarno that the the LAA has received legal threats.

It would be good if someone at the LAA can dispel these rumours.

Pittsextra 24th Sep 2018 21:57

Guys - questions. What is the objective with this and to what end?

It doesn't strike me as all that likely that rubbishing one persons efforts (however tainted one might feel about them) is helpful to the efforts of someone you all might feel more deserving. She made a flight, it wasn't solo, but it was an interesting flight never the less, she shouts about it and seems to reach out to people that are unlikely to engage otherwise in aviation. Why do some care so much? Artemis seemed a title sponsor, do they care?

SATCOS WHIPPING BOY 24th Sep 2018 21:59


Originally Posted by Jay Sata (Post 10257501)
I am hearing rumours Jonzarno that the the LAA has received legal threats.

It would be good if someone at the LAA can dispel these rumours.

...or confirm them.

As for the note by Ewald. So far as I can see, and many others on here, SR has only ever put forward one story about all of this, his account has not changed since day 1. The same cannot be said for anything that has come out of the TCT spin-machine.

For starters, the numbers do not stack up, on which specific legs did a SPONSOR sit up front rather than what I now read as Ewald Da Gamma . TCT's navigation skills have been brought into question on more than one occasion. An ATCO pal of mine who has had the pleasure of controlling her said "she couldn't find her arse with both hands" (His words not mine). The mention above about having difficulty getting from Goodwood to Yeovilton seems a more accurate description of ability, and the description which I have no reason to doubt about the chase-plane pathfinding when she was on her own.

This is the gift that keeps on giving. Legal action? well if the LAA want my files they are more than welcome and they detail and question far far more than I have ever published.

@pittsextra, Artemis no longer fund/funded the latter flights. I understand that to be a natural withdrawal from the programme; I am sure they would have wanted to renew the support if it was as well received as Ewald suggests.

Clare Prop 25th Sep 2018 00:39

OH dear, another own goal!
From Cape Town on Tracey and her team had to improvise the navigation and flight planning for the entire trip along Africa.
Just like those intrepid aviation pioneers she is attempting to "emulate". So why is this a problem? Isn't it one of the responsibilities of the Pilot In Command and not a member of a back up team?
Up until now I admired EG for doing a great job of rebuilding the aircraft, flying it on long flights and (literally) keeping his head down.

It's a pity this is overshadowing the memorial for Mary Ellis RIP, a real aviation heroine https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-45602283

Right Hand Thread 25th Sep 2018 01:17

As Captain Gritsch seems to be monitoring this thread or at least having it relayed to him I wonder if he could answer two questions?

1. Does he agree with Ms Curtis-Taylor’s assertion that the controls fitted to the front cockpit would not have allowed him to fly the aircraft?

2. If, as he states, the sponsors were never told this was to be a solo flight why did they (the sponsors) publicise it as such? As an add-on to this question, why did Ms Curtis-Taylor also repeatedly refer to her “solo” flight?

megan 25th Sep 2018 02:14

OyYou, the sign in your cockpit is in accordance with the TCDS, which I copy here. Your empty CoG obviously falls between -4.4 and +0.5

Empty Weight C.G. Range
(-1.5) to (+0.5) solo from either seat
(-4.4) to (+0.5) placard in front cockpit: "Solo from rear seat only."When empty weight C.G. falls within this range, computation of critical fore and aft C.G. positions is unnecessary. Ranges are not valid for non-standard arrangement or for crop duster or sprayer installations.

clareprop 25th Sep 2018 06:25

Up to now, these responses from Curtis-Taylor's supporters have been just as much puff as the press releases. Rule number one, attack and belittle the messengers but whatever you do, don't respond to the allegations that Curtis-Taylor allowed it to be understood she flew solo and is on video claiming the same.
Mr Adams, a contractor, tells us that it was his fault 'solo flying' claims were made. Apparently, we are to believe that the managing director of the company that he was contracted to (Bird-in-a-Biplane Ltd) had no input to and didn't even read her own website - for three years! However, despite making what people might consider to be a mistake of horrendous proportions given the furore that has followed and Curtis-Taylor's 'pretty horrified' reaction, Mr Adam's continues to run the BiaB website.

With the quote shown from Jay Sata, it would appear that Mr Gritsch has now decided, allegedly, to drop in for a bit of character assassination. Unfortunately for him, he has broken rule number one:


Also no award was given on basis of the solo word, but on the fact that she had successfully organised and piloted these expeditions,.
In a post above Curtis-Taylor is clearly accepting an award of Honorary Membership based on a 'solo' achievement. https://www.pprune.org/10254197-post4099.html

He then goes on to attack Sam Rutherford by suggesting:


Ironically the person who was earning by far the most money was S.R.!
Really? The aircraft built itself did it? Nothing to do with 3G Classic Aviation owned by E. Gritsch then. While I'm sure Sam runs his business well, I'd be surprised if the cost of providing 'navigational assistance' is higher than that of restoring and rebuilding (twice after accidents) a Stearman aircraft.


A lot of pilots can tell you that TC is simply a good pilot (and navigator).
Quite possibly, the most bizarre claim of all. If 'TC' is such a good pilot and navigator, why did she hire someone to do it for her and then complain when an award for navigation was removed from her?


as well as on the success of her outreach program “women in aviation”
We have never seen ANY evidence of a this 'successful outreach' program. Flying in to tell some kids in Africa they should become pilots without then actually providing the means for them to do so is hardly difficult. Here is an example of a proper outreach program showing all the qualifications of the person running it, their history, their real achievements and their commitment to being totally involved in it :
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/business...nd-aspirations

Sam Rutherford 25th Sep 2018 06:36

It's high time Ewald posted here himself! Not via, via...

Indeed, it's high time that Tracey posted here herself, not via, via...


A lot of pilots can tell you that TC is simply a good pilot (and navigator).

Good for them, others will disagree I guess - but that's not the point of this thread.

But the navigational problems TC had in Africa were caused by the lack of proper aviation maps, charts and information.

What navigational problems? Lack of...? Please explain more.

Her logistics manager S.R. was hired and well paid for providing the complete flight planning and navigational support for this trip. But in the end he failed to deliver a proper planning and documentation!

Hm, so the fact that we maintained the schedule throughout (except for Egypt because of security issues), including fuel being pre-positioned along the entire route, was not 'properly done'. We did have a major fuel issue in South Sudan (which we miraculously were able to solve) of which Ewald is extremely aware given that he caused it through his (not Tracey's) incompetence. Otherwise all the paperwork, permits, planning, accom, food, ground transport, press and media, comms, tracking.... etc. etc. etc.

So again, let us have some details. Here, in public.

From Cape Town on Tracey and her team had to improvise the navigation and flight planning for the entire trip along Africa. As the expedition had already started she did this with whatever information she could gather along the route, e.g. from locals pilots. Yes, this lack of proper maps and information caused some tricky situations. But there were more organizational problems to come which caused a lot more difficult situations….caused by the logistics manager.

Go on, let's have the details...

“Financial situation” of the expeditions, “Money making machine”:

Budget?

Overall a part of the expedition costs was covered by the sponsors, a good part of it privately by Tracey.

Great, let's see the budget.

Ironically the person who was earning by far the most money was S.R.!

I'm unable to comment as I had/have no overview of the global financials (I do know that we delivered our services within budget). Equally, Ewald had/has no overview of our financials. Another statement of 'fact' from a position of ignorance!

On a sidenote all the sponsors are still happy with the success of TC and all of them knew from the early days on that it would not be a solo flight but a team effort. More than a dozen of these sponsors joined her on flights over various continents. Also no award was given on basis of the solo word, but on the fact that she had successfully organised and piloted these expeditions, as well as on the success of her outreach program “women in aviation”.

Please advise more precisely on this paragraph so we can dissect it properly.

So as a conclusion these two major topics are 100% backfiring on Sam R.


It seems to me that I'm taking a beating in little private side meetings and conversations - but not on anything in the public domain. My experience is that people with something to hide avoid public forums. I'll let our dear readers decide who is hiding in the shadows and who is in plain view - and thus whose story has the greater credibility.

Sam Rutherford 25th Sep 2018 06:58

Hey Ewald, that's an interesting point raised.

Purchase, then TWO rebuilds covered by insurance. I imagine that was helpful to the 3G bottom line!

It is of course possible that you sold the plane at the price it cost you, and that you only asked the insurance companies to cover the costs on the rebuilds (no margin).

Possible, but unlikely, I would suggest. However, until I know what you were paid and what it cost you - I'm unable to judge.


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