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Fly-by-Wife 11th Jun 2016 16:19

Still didn't stop you claiming it as a solo flight on your own website as recently as Feb 2015, a couple of years after "this concept was intentionally and officially dropped":

"Her solo open-cockpit biplane flight from Cape Town to Goodwood" - Feb 4 2015 snapshot.

"Her open-cockpit biplane flight from Cape Town to Goodwood" - current website.


I am deeply disappointed at the comments coming from a particular source making false assertions that my flight expeditions should have been executed as solo flights. They were not.
Well you should never have claimed - on your own website - that they were, both explicitly and implicitly.

I for one am "deeply disappointed" that you have falsely claimed the kudos for, and accepted awards associated with, an achievement that you patently did not accomplish.

FBW

9 lives 11th Jun 2016 17:08


I for one am "deeply disappointed" that you have falsely claimed the kudos for, and accepted awards associated with, an achievement that you patently did not accomplish.
I for two....

This, based upon what I have read here, and the apparent changing after the fact of written references to "solo".

In Canada, "solo" is legally defined as being the sole occupant of the aircraft - no second person aboard, in any role. A "solo" flight as a team effort seems a stretch too - it's one or the other.

Heliport 11th Jun 2016 18:18

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgAU0QcWcAE_UxM.jpg



"..... another historic and treacherous solo flight from the UK to Sydney, Australia"

Speaking at the Seattle Museum of Flight ....


"alone in an open cock-pit plane."

NearlyStol 11th Jun 2016 18:34

I wonder if she is a 'remain' also.

Kathryn's Report: Boeing B75N1, 3G Classic Aviation Inc., N56200: Accident occurred May 11, 2016 near Winslow-Lindbergh Regional Airport (KINW) Winslow, Navajo County, Arizona

Mike Flynn 11th Jun 2016 19:21

Who am I to argue?


Jean Batten made two unsuccessful attempts to beat Amy Johnson's time to Australia. In April 1933 she hit two sandstorms before the engine failed, and wrecked the aircraft. She crash-landed near Karachi. Returning to London she could not persuade Dorée to buy her another aircraft, so she turned to the Castrol oil company, who bought her a second-hand Gipsy Moth for £240. She made another attempt in April 1934, but ran out of fuel at night on the outskirts of Rome. Flying into a maze of radio masts, she crash landed and nearly severed her lip. The plane was repaired and she flew it back to London, where she borrowed the lower wings from the aircraft of her fiancé, stockbroker Edward Walter, for a third attempt.[2]

In May 1934, Batten successfully flew solo from England to Australia in the Gipsy Moth. Her trip of 14 days and 22 hours beat the existing England-to-Australia record of English aviator Amy Johnson by over four days.[2] For this achievement and for subsequent record-breaking flights, she was awarded the Harmon Trophy three times from 1935 to 1937. She also received an endorsement contract with Castrol oil. Batten's book about her trip, Solo Flight, was published by Jackson and O'Sullivan Ltd in 1934. Batten took a boat to New Zealand with the Gipsy Moth (which could not have flown across the Tasman Sea) and made a six-week aerial tour there before returning to England.
The question for all is can it be done today in a Moth by a genuine woman pilot?

14 days and 22 hours London to Oz in a DH Moth?

Mike Flynn 11th Jun 2016 19:51

Well for me the best idea is that maybe it is time for the Daily Mail to run an air race for Tiger Moths from London to Sydney.

Sort this out once and for all.

Can anyone do it like Jean Batten?

Two weeks over 11,000 miles!

Not much time for enjoying the sites on that trip and inspiration for any pilot of whatever sex.

Royal Aero Club rules etc.

FL makes a good point re the Stearman and I would like to place on record I have nothing but total admiration for Ewald and his commitment to the airframe.

Check out his parts and restoration here.
http://www.stearman.at/pictures/Sout...d/P1050179.JPG

Boeing Stearman

http://www.stearman.at/pictures/Sout...d/P1060448.JPG

http://www.stearman.at/pictures/part...s%20101-1s.jpg
http://www.stearman.at/pictures/part...0free%202s.jpg

hoodie 11th Jun 2016 19:56


Originally Posted by Jay Sata
Sort this out once and for all.

Sort what out?

Mike Flynn 11th Jun 2016 20:24

How hard or easy it is to fly a pre WW2 DH Tiger Moth from London to Sydney.

Jean Batten did it in a couple of weeks.

Can it be done in 2016/17?

Mike Flynn 11th Jun 2016 21:10

Best you google him:ok:

27/09 11th Jun 2016 22:47


How hard or easy it is to fly a pre WW2 DH Tiger Moth from London to Sydney.

Jean Batten did it in a couple of weeks.

Can it be done in 2016/17?
I presume you mean no support teams, no GPS or any other modern technology, except for equipment like Xponders and radios as may be required for ATC compliance?

I'd say it'd be harder today as compared to when Jean Batten did the trip the geo-political landscape is much more fractious today.

Having said that, I think your suggestion is a great idea, it would certainly put a modern perspective on Jean Battens achievement. In the process make people of the modern era realise how great her achievement was.

Crash one 11th Jun 2016 23:01

Quote, For the avoidance of doubt, I have always been the sole pilot of Spirit of Artemis. Quote.

Sole pilot is still not solo.
The "sole"pilot accompanied by a 3year old kid is not "solo"
Doesn't she get it?

27/09 11th Jun 2016 23:05


Quote, For the avoidance of doubt, I have always been the sole pilot of Spirit of Artemis. Quote.

Sole pilot is still not solo.
The "sole"pilot accompanied by a 3year old kid is not "solo"
Doesn't she get it?
I'm sure she does, hence the sole pilot statement instead of solo.

Just a way to either, try and gracefully back out of the situation, or to muddy the waters for the layman perspective who won't realise there's difference between solo and sole in this situation.

Stanwell 11th Jun 2016 23:42

Of course.
In the same way, she was "alone" in her cock-pit (sic).
The woman has no shame.
She figures she can just brazen it out and give the 'rigid-digit' to those nasty, jealous little people who would rain on her parade.

Genghis the Engineer 11th Jun 2016 23:47

Note also "sole pilot of".

She is careful not to say "sole pilot on board".

G

Stanwell 11th Jun 2016 23:53

Oh yes.
Tracey wouldn't tell a fib, would she?
Of course, neither would the ever-so-compliant Ewald.
They simply refuse to answer questions.

megan 12th Jun 2016 05:29


Can it be done in 2016/17?
Of course it can, though the impediments would be much the same as this chap faced in 1978.

http://www.ivanrendall.me/images/art...0/fi01_500.jpg

DAVID CYSTER set out to operate as far as possible under the same conditions as Hinkler - a brave exercise, inviting inevitable and critical comparisons between today's pilots and the pioneers of the 1920s. It may seem significant, therefore, that he suffered from the same three main problems that plagued Hinkler: unpredictable weather (despite modern forecasting methods), fatigue and fuel leaks. But there was an obstacle in 1978 which Hinkler was blessedly spared: the bureaucracy which surrounds international flying, especially in light aircraft.

Planning, both in the 12 months prior to take-off, and careful flight-planning during the 32 days en route to Darwin, was the foundation of his successfully completed flight.

It was not a record-breaking attempt. The days when Tigers would suffer "throttle bending" through the tropics are over. Many asked why the flight to Darwin took twice as long as Hinkler's record 16 days. Though Cyster modestly attributes this to the pioneer's skill, it has to be noted that in 1928 planning was very much the pilot's prerogative, and he was assured of a warm welcome wherever his atlas was painted red.

Cyster's route was longer, to avoid touchy political areas, especially in the Middle East. It was planned in legs of as near 700 n.m. as possible, and the longest and coldest turned out to be the 620 n.m. to Marseilles. Before February 7, Cyster's longest flight in a Tiger Moth was a 2.12hr leg to Dunsfold from his base at RAF Valley the previous day.

England Australia by Tiger Moth

Genghis the Engineer 12th Jun 2016 11:11

Ewald is taking money to help perpetuate a fraud - why on earth would he be so stupid as to talk about it in public?

(Yes, I'm not a lawyer - but taking large amounts of sponsorship money for a solo flight that turns out to have had a more experienced pilot on board most of the time, feels very like fraud to me as I understand the term.)

G

9 lives 12th Jun 2016 12:07

Among the posts of this thread there are mentions of honours and awards which have been bestowed upon TCT. Being Canadian, I admit to being unfamiliar with these in general, as for the most part it would seem that one learns about honours and awards by reading who has received them much more than their origin.

TCT's modest and apparently deceitful accomplishments as described here certainly have me thinking less of the value of the awards and honours granted to her. If the award or honour were granted after a deceitful endeavor, it would seem that the issuer of the award or honour did not do their homework before issuing. If the recipient of awards and honours is guilty of deceitful behaviour following the granting of an award or honour to them, perhaps they have not displayed the requisite personal attributes to be worthy of that honour... Ultimately the award or honour itself suffers, in my opinion.

Sporting awards are often withdrawn after the fact, when doping has been found to have occurred to achieve the "win"......

Jetblu 12th Jun 2016 13:08

STATEMENT

I, and the Bird in a Biplane Team believe it is helpful to respond to some commentary appearing in the press about whether the flight expeditions undertaken in 2013-2016 were flown solo or in company.

For the avoidance of doubt, I have always been the sole pilot of Spirit of Artemis.

In planning the expedition through Africa in 2013 there was an initial hope of a solo flight in the beautiful & original 1942 Boeing Stearman.

However, in the early stages of the flight this concept was intentionally and officially dropped as I and the Bird in a Biplane Team brought our flight planning and logistics increasingly in-house and the expedition evolved into a much bigger opportunity to extend the program with documentary filming, an extensive outreach program involving different charities along the route and sharing the experience of open cockpit flying with others.

I am deeply disappointed at the comments coming from a particular source making false assertions that my flight expeditions should have been executed as solo flights. They were not. They are all about a collaborative team effort and celebrating the brilliant achievements of women like Amy Johnson and Lady Heath who made history when aviation was in its infancy.

Tracey Curtis-Taylor
Tracey Curtis Taylor - Aviatrix, Adventurer, Inspirational Speaker



I would have now thought that the wording of this latest statement takes the matter to a much more serious level.

This is not a delusional woman to be pitied at all. This is now a very clear orchestrated and deliberate deceit with the blatant intention to fuzzy the evidence. The obvious known and missed attention to detail being that she was accompanied by an another highly experienced pilot for the majority of the flight, whom just so happened to also be a flying instructor and the aircraft owner. [which she has intentionally failed to disclose to her groupies in that statement]

Whilst I see nothing wrong with her having connections [we all do] I fail to see how she can imagine for one moment that that will save her bacon here.

Cows getting bigger 12th Jun 2016 13:34

The sad thing is that such a set of trips could have easily attracted excellent interest and exposure if they had been properly managed and called 'Bird and Bloke in a Biplane" or any other combination. Let's not forget, to follow such routes is a fantastic adventure in itself.

Unfortunately, whilst focussing on the "Bird" bit, TCT seems to have forgotten about more interesting bits. A nicely fitted flying-suit, some fresh make-up and a the occasional MILF-inspired photograph only appeals to a few; to me the publicity should have been about the wider adventure and the wider aims. There's an interesting set of trips going on by a chap in his R66 (threejourneysround). This is another rich person's adventure interspersed with some very useful charity work but one must seriously question whether TCT's endeavours and achievements are worthy of far greater public recognition etc just because she is a woman?


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