I would definitely concur with that.

Normally lots of posts survive bannings, SNS3Guppy is one example. What happened to GTE's seemed unusually drastic, and a loss to PPrune.

Freeeeeeeeeee, Ghengis the Engineeeeeeeer........

Most posts are about the contribution Genghis has made to Pprune, but that is only a shadow of his contribution to aviation. One group did not make it easy for him, but is today held in respect by the CAA, largely due his efforts. :ok:

Off the strict definition of the topic but my 2p. I'm a long time lurker, student pilot and occasional poster. The threads I value are most often those that GtE, PilotDAR, BPF, Pace, PeterH, Mad Jock, BoseX and the like contribute to. These are, IMHO, what makes this worth bothering with.

I don't know GtE (or any of the others) personally, though I hope to meet them in the future, but cannot believe that he would do anything to merit such a response, except inadvertently. The sooner this gets sorted out the better, or I too am off to the dark side - if nothing else because that's where the interesting discussion will be.

Latest from GtE at the other place:



I'm aware that I could have joined Flyer some time ago; to be honest I didn't because I'd got comfortable on PPrune before the Flyer Forum appeared, and because it has historically been excellent for the sort of deep technical discussions that I really enjoy. In particular the PPrune flight test forum was my idea, and I'm quite proud of the civilised technical discussions we've had there over the years.


In the meantime, I'm glad to say that my historical postings on PPrune have been restored, and with them everybody else's posts in threads I'd originated.

I'm still banned from the site as Genghis (I can of-course just logout and read the public pages anyhow, but can't post), and the disagreement with another moderator is not yet resolved. However, at-least this now can be reduced to a disagreement amongst PPrune management - which is how it should have been in the first place to be honest - without normal board members being affected by a disagreement that has nothing to do with them.

So I shall certainly be around here for the foreseeable, whatever happens over the road. Given the very kind welcome I've received, how could I not?

But I'll make no secret of hoping to get back to "business as normal" at PPrune.

I really am sorry but that was actually a very straightforward question.

Are you trying to tell me that mentioning that name is never to happen again?

1984.

:uhoh: It was meant to be a pm...
Hopefully no one else noticed.. :O

I started this thread to highlight my disgust at someone's real name being posted.

I'd appreciate it if you would edit your post to remove the name you state, otherwise this thread commits the very offence it is designed to protest against.

Thank you.

Final 3 Greens - names have always been removed in the past when a mod has been asked to do so - so doubtless if asked they would be (and should be) removed on this occasion.

This is all getting rather surreal.

If someone is quite clearly happy to identify himself in PPrune forum postings, is there really a need for vigilante action on one particular thread?

Here, for example, but a simple forum search will give you pages and pages of results.

Clearly, if someone wishes to remain anonymous, that is a different matter (although forum anonymity causes more problems that it solves, IMHO - but that's a different matter).

Personally, I think all aggrieved parties in the current matter of dispute should settle the matter in the good old fashioned way - pistols or rapiers at dawn; none of this modern 'seeking a mutually agreeable consensus' codswallop. :}

Not true, unfortunately.

Very recently bose-x used my full name in the bizjet (?) forum and the mods refused to remove it when I asked them to. They told me to contact bose-x.

Bose-x removed it only after I posted a brief "history" of his exploits, with his full name, and after I said I will remove my post if he removes my name.

Some of the moderation on PP seems pretty strange. Sometimes aggressive, other times they couldn't care less who gets pissed off.

You really need to get a better grip of reality Peter, as that was not how it went. Funny how things always make you the victim.

I suggest you leave it alone now before we fall out again......

Maybe pistols at dawn wouldn't be such a good idea in the case of you vs. Bose-X - I wouldn't trust either of you with a firearm not to hit anything and everything within a 100 metre radius that wasn't your opponent, including your own nads.

Frankly this is ridiculous :ugh: how much thinking about things does it take to give G a chance??? five minutes not five days !!!

Ok do not take him back as a moderator but this attitude is sickening :ugh: At least give us a formal decision from pprune on the matter?

Pace

:D

Very good.

:}

I think the pistols had better fire blanks so no one gets hurt, otherwise it sounds like it could be messy.

Now children behave!

Second that - but AFAIU this might well have to come from across the pond.

Well it is ridiculous the way it is dragging on without a statement.

Somehow, I don´t think I´ll be adding to more many posts to the 4,500 over the last 12 years, unless something develops reasonably quickly.

The last one of these issues, Guppy I believe, went on for hundreds of posts without any response, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Considering the number of users on the forum and the actual number of individual posters on this thread I doubt the ration is going to be worrying many anyone.

This is just another braying mini mob thread demanding instant satisfaction. There is no doubt that Ghengis is a gentleman but as we don't know the whole story this mob thread is a little one sided in my humble opinion.

My gut instinct is to give IB some time to sort out there internal position and see what happens. But hey, that's just me.

Bose-x - are you sure you havent applied for the job?

I vote for Bose-X to be our new moderator IF the post is permanently vacated.

You ever tried moderating anything?

With a policy like that you'll get one or two obsessives taking up 100% of your time arguing about tiny tiny details in your reasons. This'll take over your life. In about two nanoseconds after starting the job, as the nutters come out of the woodwork and try it on with the new face.

"No correspondence" is the only practical policy.

Hear, hear...

I have no idea what misdemeanour GTE's is alleged to have committed, but I too valued the knowledge and experience in his friendly posts. I also liked his pragmatism and humour; there are one or two mods who have an imperious attitude - a bit like those car park attendants who enjoy wearing their peaked caps as if in some elite military squad... It's supposed to be a Forum for like-minded enthusiasts, not a Correction Facility :=

Gertrude - I have no doubt you are right. Give them an inch .. .. ..

I think this place lost the plot like Pilotweb a long time ago:ok:
Just like Woolworths losing their slot on the High St to Poundland:=

O dear. I've been away for most of August and come back to find Ghengis the Engineer no longer the moderator and in fact suffering outrageous and unjustified slings and arrows.

Always found his comments wise and helpful. Do come back, old chap, we miss you. I can't get on very well with the Flying Forum layout, and find their general chat rather tedious. PPrune is my late night entertainment ever since I joined to find out more about Capt. Sully's glider....and though I have been slapped down when venturing into the sacred precincts of R&N, always felt welcome to contribute to Private Flying, a friendly and welcoming place.

BTW, I post in my true name; this happened by mistake as I pressed the wrong button, I really intended to join up as "Soupdragon"..

Which is nice, actually, because old flying chums now and then remember me on line.

Come back, Ghengis....illgitimatis non carborundum.

Mary

I hope you went on an adventure during August ?
I also hope it was somewhere nice where you could do some flying ;)
Fingers crossed for G gracing us with his presence again!

Pace

I pass no judgement on the "incident" itself but I think you'll find that rather than being a "peaked cap car park attendant" the moderator in question has been here since the beginning of the forum; he started the forum along with DF some 17 years ago.

ShyTorque - I wasn't referring to 'the Moderator in question'.

I actually said there were one or two, but I think you know who I'm talking about...

No, actually I don't know. In the past I have had some of my posts removed without explanation, but I accept it as part of the permission to participate in this (free, privately owned) forum. ;)

The problem with "strange goings on" is that each time it happens, some people will sod off in disgust.

As with any other form of emigration, it tends to be the "best" (however you care to define that) people that sod off first, which is why this and every other forum I know of, aviation and otherwise, has seen a gradual reduction in the quality of contributions.

With most posters, few would care if they got kicked out. I am sure few people here would be overly bothered if I got the boot and had all my posts deleted.

But with GTE, the line was well over-stepped because there is hardly another person on pr00n who has contributed with such high quality over so long.

And, ShyTorque, one day there won't be many people reading the stuff you write, so you will probably sod off also.

The best forums have been moderated fairly strictly, allowing dissent, disallowing personal attacks, and disallowing certain abuses such as outing alleged dodgy businesses and people (unless those businesses or people are present in the forum and making claims as to their bonafides).

Comment on censorship
 

My previous post has, seemingly,disappeared in cyberspace and I am certain it did not contain anything abusive , insulting or personal. As a matter of fact it was pointed out I repeated an extract re GTE on a previous post.
My message supported the views of a majority on this tread and should have been left in.:ugh:

Yes, it would seem that yours is not the only one. Last night this thread was seven pages long, this morning, it is only six. I wonder what else has disappeared....

Genghis the Engineer » Sat Sep 22, 2012 22:18
Just a brief "back on topic".

From the "apology owed" thread on Pprune...

JollyRog wrote:I have it on good authority that the PPRuNe people have admitted their error, apologised unreservedly to Genghis and reinstated his status. All is resolved.



Sadly this is not true - I've heard nothing since Friday evening when I last heard from Internet Brands who said that they were still investigating but hoping to reach a consensus of moderators opinions soon.

G

From Flyer

Perhaps the mod who appeared from nowhere has magicked it away in a cloud out smoke...... Poooof!

I was given certain reassurances regarding Gs return and on that basis stopped stirring the subject.
Still NOTHING??? I think its about time we had a formal announcement from pprune as to what they have decided to do with G as somehow I for one am feeling ripped off.

Pace

Perhaps the fact that it is their train set is being applied.

As someone else reported, Genghis' posts are back and you can look up his profile.

What's interesting is the last activity on his account was about 2 1/2 hours ago (as I type this).

Are you watching us, Genghis? ;)

Apparently, GtE is watching but he isn't doing....