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Old 17th Sep 2012, 14:29
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Public Apology Owed

PPruneTowers revealed GTE's real name last night.

I am pleased to see that wrong has been righted, but believe that PPRuNe should post a public apology.

Regardless of what has happened, to reveal someone's identity on an anonymous forum is not on.

Moderators, please note that I have no interest in discussing what caused the suspension.

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Would you like them to dress in sack cloth and ashes as well? Or will a night in the stocks do?

Seriously.........


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Old 17th Sep 2012, 14:51
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GTE has now registered on "the other side" and you can now read his own account of what have happened.
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PPRuNe is not a democracy, and nor is it a members club (well as far as I am aware). It is a forum to discuss matters of mutual interest provided by another party.

Having contributed for too many years, in my experience it does a pretty good job. Most private pilots either come here or to Flyer.

Inevitably when contributors get banned, stir the pot, or are generally obnoxious it causes lively debate - and lets face it perhaps there is a little bit of old women in us all.

However since its not our forum, those that own it have the right to operate the forum as they see fit. It seems to me if we don't like it then everyone has the right to go elsewhere.

Personally I think over the years they have done a pretty good job. They have often allowed debate that I would have thought crosses more than a few lines of "reasonableness" - and good for them!

I dont think the owners have any obligation to explain why they have removed threads or contributors, and more to the point, there could be a host of reasons for doing so that you certainly could not make public.

As with any organisation the owners should of course abide by their own rules as much as the contributors.

Those that would like to see things run differently, good for you, I am not criticising you and all credit to the owners for allowing the debate. As with any organisation you can have a go at changing the way in which it operates but dont get upset if the owners thank you for your views but do nothing.
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Would you like them to dress in sack cloth and ashes as well? Or will a night in the stocks do?
If I had thought that, I would have written that.

Don't be so puerile.
 
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GTE has now registered on "the other side"
That is not entirely clear to this foreigner - could you be more specific? (per PM if you must)
Curious,

[[ edit: OK, found it, after searching a bit more ]]

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PPRuNe is not a democracy, and nor is it a members club (well as far as I am aware). It is a forum to discuss matters of mutual interest provided by another party.

Having contributed for too many years, in my experience it does a pretty good job. Most private pilots either come here or to Flyer.

Inevitably when contributors get banned, stir the pot, or are generally obnoxious it causes lively debate - and lets face it perhaps there is a little bit of old women in us all.

However since its not our forum, those that own it have the right to operate the forum as they see fit. It seems to me if we don't like it then everyone has the right to go elsewhere.

Personally I think over the years they have done a pretty good job. They have often allowed debate that I would have thought crosses more than a few lines of "reasonableness" - and good for them!

I dont think the owners have any obligation to explain why they have removed threads or contributors, and more to the point, there could be a host of reasons for doing so that you certainly could not make public.

As with any organisation the owners should of course abide by their own rules as much as the contributors.

Those that would like to see things run differently, good for you, I am not criticising you and all credit to the owners for allowing the debate. As with any organisation you can have a go at changing the way in which it operates but dont get upset if the owners thank you for your views but do nothing.
This may all be true, but it has nothing to do with this thread, which is calling for an apology for breaching confidentiality and not discussing what has happened, in line with the wishes expressed by the moderator.
 
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He has his say;

FLYER Forums • View topic - PPRuNe problems

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It does and that is why I suggested if nothing else the owners should abide by their own rules. That said (as possibly seems to be the case) if the information has already been placed in the public domain the cat is out of the bag and as we all know cant be put back in the bag how ever much you might wish otherwise.

Who released the cat in the first place I have no idea. Always a dangerous game.

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Old 17th Sep 2012, 15:14
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Afternoon chaps. Thanks to the person who pointed this thread out. I even registered on Flyer Forums as a result.


It's a bit unpleasant for me over on PPRuNe at the moment, and I'm feeling rather abused. I'm not going to publically explain what has happened, although a few people who I know well enough to explain have a reasonable picture of it.

In a nutshell, I did something which I felt was reasonable but that another of the PPRuNe moderators took great exception to, so he responded by making me invisible on the site, by removing my moderators powers, by removing my ability to send private messages as Genghis, and by posting (for about half a day anyhow until it got removed) my real name on one of the threads. He seems to have done this without consulting with the other moderators or with the site owners; the latter are looking into this at the moment (but being in the USA, are actually probably eating breakfast right now).

I'm optimistic that it'll all get sensibly sorted out shortly - the site owners at IB tend to be hands-off, but they are nice chaps and generally pretty sensible, as well as usually prepared to act decisively if they have to. No, I'm not at-all happy at my treatment, but on the other hand (even if it does feel a bit like I'm reading my own obituary) very grateful to the numerous people who have shown their support for what I've done over the years on PPRuNe and, ideally, would like to continue doing. I'm also very aware that this is not me being shut down by PPRuNe, it's me being shut down (hopefully temporarily) by somewhere between 1 and 3 people on PPRuNe (depending upon how many usernames each person has!). The vast majority of people on PPRuNe who have expressed any opinion are somewhere between neutral and supportive of me and I've been amazed at the vast number of supportive messages I've received privately from various directions.

I'm not going to post any more about this: here or anywhere else right now - I am trusting the site owners at Internet Brands to sort things out sensibly in their own time, and I don't think that my making accusations or publishing anything more than this will help anybody for the moment.

And in the meantime, I did some great flying at the weekend, and am doing some really interesting things professionally right now - and I am in this game for the flying, not the bulletin boards!
If I disappear, you'll know why...

PS, seems to be a few people on this thread who are a bit "moderator-ish".
Perhaps they have a few usernames...?

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Old 17th Sep 2012, 15:23
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Well we have a resistance now we see if it is futile.

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Old 17th Sep 2012, 15:23
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Airpolice, I think you will find that it has ..........................
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Old 17th Sep 2012, 15:52
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This does illustrate the "problems" of censoring anything, be it photos or words - someone, somewhere will host it, even if sometimes not for too long, but usually just long enough for the whole world to know.
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It is technically trivial to start up another forum (off the peg software and getting it hosted) but it would suffer from the same moderation issues which every other forum suffers from.

Not just aviation, either. A forum for mums discussing wayward teenagers has the same problems.

Pr00n has a long history and as a result a lot of people still read it today, even though not anywhere near as many as c. 10 years ago.

It "just" needs to sort out the behaviour of certain mods. This has been a long standing problem and I am not talking about PF necessarily.

It also needs to make a decision on whether it really wants, as a matter of corporate policy, to become a forum for various self appointed private investigators. One issue to consider is that, in aviation, there is no end to how many people with allegedly dodgy backgrounds one can dig up. I met a number of dodgy characters just during my PPL training, and a whole raft of them during my 10 years' aircraft ownership, so shall I start a new thread?
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Old 17th Sep 2012, 17:19
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There may well be many people in aviation with dodgy backgrounds, Peter. One thing is for sure, though, Genghis is not one of them. He is an extremely well regarded and well respected member of the UK aviation community.

He has been a valuable contributor here, and seems to have been a good moderator to boot. For the sake of this forum, I hope the powers that be recognise that, and get this mess sorted with the minimum of fuss.
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Old 17th Sep 2012, 17:54
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Although I do not know anything of the squabble, I shall miss Ghengis' passion, common sense and knowledge.
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Old 17th Sep 2012, 18:21
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Sorry Airpolice, no, I did not see a link....... I believed you to be referring to the use of GtE's given name by the mods instead of his user name. This has now been amended in both posts. Hence my post. My apologies.
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I do agree with F3G, an ungentlemanly slight appears to have been cast on GTE which deserves apology. I know Bose-X will mock such a suggestion but an honourable person or company would accept an error with good grace.
I think I'm fairly au fait with the qualifications of most of the moderators on this board but I'm not sure I know who "Slipslider" (?) is or what background they come from.
Any chance of enlightenment or is this also Verboten?

PS Is it me or has this post changed somewhat from the original:
It is sufficient to say that the value of Genghis contributions has been appreciated.

However anyone who is a moderator has access to some very private information which we trust will never be abused or revealed. Confidentiality is a foremost priority with the forum. Some information can have far reaching consequences if disclosed, often beyond the appreciation of the person disclosing it. This is the way that the forum has operated with great success for over 16 years.

At this stage some important decisions are being made with regards what has happened and Genghis is fully aware of everything that is happening and why. Hopefully at the very minimum Genghis will be able to return as a contributor.

Due to the sensitivity of the matter and out of respect for the previous work of Genghis the thread is now closed and is a matter of private discussion.

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Old 17th Sep 2012, 19:11
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Many people are commenting definitively despite not knowing the facts of the case, nor knowing GTE very well. Expression of opinion despite absence of knowledge is a common feature of most forums!

I concur with Fuji Abound's first post on this thread.

PPRuNe/IB run these forums as they see fit, we read/contribute or not as we see fit. I have no fundamental complaints.

Naming GTE (if indeed they did) is wrong, however this has to be seen against the fact that he regularly makes statements which leave little veil over his true indentity.

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Well, having looked at the posts, I now think it's fairly apparent who Slipwotsit is...
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