NPPL to LAPL Minimum Hours?
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NPPL to LAPL Minimum Hours?
Hi,
I passed my NPPL in July and have currently logged 10 hours as PIC. I know that before I can exercise the privileges of my LAPL license I need to complete 12 hours/12 TOALs. But no where can I find that I can still apply for my LAPL license before the recency requirement is satisfied. I'd have thought I could, as the onus is on me to ensure I meet the recency requirements before I fly but the SRG1104 Form section 9 suggests I need to satisfy the recency requirements and have the minimum hours/TOALS at this point of application, or is this just for their information? Any guidance much appreciated.
Best regards,
Robert
I passed my NPPL in July and have currently logged 10 hours as PIC. I know that before I can exercise the privileges of my LAPL license I need to complete 12 hours/12 TOALs. But no where can I find that I can still apply for my LAPL license before the recency requirement is satisfied. I'd have thought I could, as the onus is on me to ensure I meet the recency requirements before I fly but the SRG1104 Form section 9 suggests I need to satisfy the recency requirements and have the minimum hours/TOALS at this point of application, or is this just for their information? Any guidance much appreciated.
Best regards,
Robert
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Robert,
Do you have an NPPL(A)?
I recently went from NPPL(M) -> NPPL(SSEA) -> LAPL(A) and am now working to PPL(A).
Assuming you have an NPPL(A) I think you just need to do 10 hours PIC and then you can apply for your LAPL(A) under "grandfather rights" - it's a quick paperwork excersize.
Hope that is helpful.
Gordo
Do you have an NPPL(A)?
I recently went from NPPL(M) -> NPPL(SSEA) -> LAPL(A) and am now working to PPL(A).
Assuming you have an NPPL(A) I think you just need to do 10 hours PIC and then you can apply for your LAPL(A) under "grandfather rights" - it's a quick paperwork excersize.
Hope that is helpful.
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UK NPPL(a) to LAPL(a)
If you hold or have held a licence in the same aircraft category
If you have a relevant current rating on a licence in the same category of aircraft and are applying for a LAPL you will not have to do any additional training or skill tests.
Carrying passengers
You can only carry passengers after getting your licence and also completing 10 hours of flight time as PIC
After getting which licence, do I need to have completed 10 hours Pi/c before I can carry passengers?
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This is lifted from CAP 804 (my emphasis). Although it has now been rescinded, I can't find anything that contradicts the document or indicates the conversion requirements have changed since issue (although there may have been some loosening of medical requirements for the LAPL). If you don't have 6 hours PIC following the NPPL issue, then you would need to meet the LAPL requirements of 10 hours PIC since NPPL issue to carry passengers.
Licence previously issued under the ANO:
NPPL(A)(SSEA) issued before 8 April 2018
Conversion to Part-FCL Licence:
LAPL(A) with Single Engine Piston aeroplane endorsement
Requirements:
1. Hold an NPPL(A) with SSEA rating;
2. Hold an LAPL medical certificate (or Class 1 or Class 2 medical certificate) issued in accordance with Part MED (MED.A.030). Any limitation arising from the holder’s medical status will appear on the medical certificate;
3. To be issued with a UK Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence an individual must fulfil the EASA Language Proficiency Requirements for Flight Crew at Level 4, 5, or 6. Whilst the pilot
licence can be obtained without meeting EASA Language Proficiency Requirements for Flight Crew, a person without a UK Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence is not authorised to use a radio in an aircraft. The holder of an existing valid UK Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence will be accepted as qualifying for a Level 4 (expiring) language proficiency endorsement;
4.Have knowledge of the sections of Part-OPS and Part-FCL relevant to the LAPL(A) – in accordance with A.1(b) of Annex II to the EASA Aircrew Regulation;
5. If the applicant has not completed 6 hours pilot in command of SSEAs since being granted the NPPL(A) with SSEA rating, comply with FCL.105.A(b) – LAPL(A) Privileges and Conditions on issue of the Part-FCL LAPL(A) in order to be entitled to carry passengers. i.e: FCL.105.A LAPL(A) – Privileges and conditions (b) Holders of an LAPL(A) shall only carry passengers after they have completed, after the issuance of the licence, 10 hours of flight time as PIC on aeroplanes or TMG. Flight as PIC completed since the issue of the NPPL(A) shall be credited towards fulfilling this requirement.
6. If the SSEA rating is current, comply with FCL.140.A(a) – LAPL(A) - Recency requirements; or, if the SSEA Certificate of Revalidation has lapsed, comply with FCL.140.A(b)(1) in a single engine pistonlandplane with a maximum take off mass of 2000 kilograms or less. i.e: FCL.140.A LAPL(A) – Recency requirements
(b) Holders of an LAPL(A) who do not comply with the requirements in (a) shall: (1) undertake a proficiency check with an examiner before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence;
Would you not meet part b as part of the NPPL training? I'm doing my NPPL at the moment and no-one has mentioned needing the recency requirements! Worst case scenario though it would be a proficiency check following licence issue.
FCL.140.A LAPL(A) — Recency requirements
(a) Holders of an LAPL(A) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence when they have completed, in the last 24 months, as pilots of aeroplanes or TMG:
(1) at least 12 hours of flight time as PIC, including 12 take-offs and landings; and
(2) refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor.
(b) Holders of an LAPL(A) who do not comply with the requirements in (a) shall:
(1) undertake a proficiency check with an examiner before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence; or
(2) perform the additional flight time or take-offs and landings, flying dual or solo under the
supervision of an instructor, in order to fulfil the requirements in (a).
Licence previously issued under the ANO:
NPPL(A)(SSEA) issued before 8 April 2018
Conversion to Part-FCL Licence:
LAPL(A) with Single Engine Piston aeroplane endorsement
Requirements:
1. Hold an NPPL(A) with SSEA rating;
2. Hold an LAPL medical certificate (or Class 1 or Class 2 medical certificate) issued in accordance with Part MED (MED.A.030). Any limitation arising from the holder’s medical status will appear on the medical certificate;
3. To be issued with a UK Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence an individual must fulfil the EASA Language Proficiency Requirements for Flight Crew at Level 4, 5, or 6. Whilst the pilot
licence can be obtained without meeting EASA Language Proficiency Requirements for Flight Crew, a person without a UK Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence is not authorised to use a radio in an aircraft. The holder of an existing valid UK Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence will be accepted as qualifying for a Level 4 (expiring) language proficiency endorsement;
4.Have knowledge of the sections of Part-OPS and Part-FCL relevant to the LAPL(A) – in accordance with A.1(b) of Annex II to the EASA Aircrew Regulation;
5. If the applicant has not completed 6 hours pilot in command of SSEAs since being granted the NPPL(A) with SSEA rating, comply with FCL.105.A(b) – LAPL(A) Privileges and Conditions on issue of the Part-FCL LAPL(A) in order to be entitled to carry passengers. i.e: FCL.105.A LAPL(A) – Privileges and conditions (b) Holders of an LAPL(A) shall only carry passengers after they have completed, after the issuance of the licence, 10 hours of flight time as PIC on aeroplanes or TMG. Flight as PIC completed since the issue of the NPPL(A) shall be credited towards fulfilling this requirement.
6. If the SSEA rating is current, comply with FCL.140.A(a) – LAPL(A) - Recency requirements; or, if the SSEA Certificate of Revalidation has lapsed, comply with FCL.140.A(b)(1) in a single engine pistonlandplane with a maximum take off mass of 2000 kilograms or less. i.e: FCL.140.A LAPL(A) – Recency requirements
(b) Holders of an LAPL(A) who do not comply with the requirements in (a) shall: (1) undertake a proficiency check with an examiner before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence;
Would you not meet part b as part of the NPPL training? I'm doing my NPPL at the moment and no-one has mentioned needing the recency requirements! Worst case scenario though it would be a proficiency check following licence issue.
FCL.140.A LAPL(A) — Recency requirements
(a) Holders of an LAPL(A) shall only exercise the privileges of their licence when they have completed, in the last 24 months, as pilots of aeroplanes or TMG:
(1) at least 12 hours of flight time as PIC, including 12 take-offs and landings; and
(2) refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with an instructor.
(b) Holders of an LAPL(A) who do not comply with the requirements in (a) shall:
(1) undertake a proficiency check with an examiner before they resume the exercise of the privileges of their licence; or
(2) perform the additional flight time or take-offs and landings, flying dual or solo under the
supervision of an instructor, in order to fulfil the requirements in (a).
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FCL.105.A LAPL(A) – Privileges and conditions (b) Holders of an LAPL(A) shall only carry passengers after they have completed, after the issuance of the licence, 10 hours of flight time as PIC on aeroplanes or TMG. Flight as PIC completed since the issue of the NPPL(A) shall be credited towards fulfilling this requirement.
That's the wording that was missing form the original documents, but it would be nice to read it in a current publication from the CAA.
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Robert,
Do you have an NPPL(A)?
I recently went from NPPL(M) -> NPPL(SSEA) -> LAPL(A) and am now working to PPL(A).
Assuming you have an NPPL(A) I think you just need to do 10 hours PIC and then you can apply for your LAPL(A) under "grandfather rights" - it's a quick paperwork excersize.
Hope that is helpful.
Gordo
Do you have an NPPL(A)?
I recently went from NPPL(M) -> NPPL(SSEA) -> LAPL(A) and am now working to PPL(A).
Assuming you have an NPPL(A) I think you just need to do 10 hours PIC and then you can apply for your LAPL(A) under "grandfather rights" - it's a quick paperwork excersize.
Hope that is helpful.
Gordo
