Gliding?

[Jazzer83]

Would anyone recommend taking up gliding? I have been considering attending the Scottish gliding centre to do just that however have some doubts and would appreciate the thoughts/experiences of others.

For the record I'm 34 years old and my flying experience is limited to 2 x 1 hour flying lessons some years ago.

Thanks,

Jazzer83

[Alex757]

I've been gliding for the last 4 years or so and would recommend it! Go along to your nearest club (Portmoak?) and have a look around - glider pilots are a friendly bunch, have a chat to some members and go for a trial lesson, see if you like it! If you're anything like me you'll be hooked after that.

In that 4 years I've ended up owning an aircraft and qualifying as an instructor!

Gliding clubs tend to be a little less formal than power flying schools, and typically requires a little bit more time and commitment, as they're mainly volunteer run, but for me that was all part of the fun.

Feel free to fire away with any questions and I'll do my best!

[Airgus]

Gliding is a therapeutic activity, I enjoyed so much and it makes you disconnect from work every weekend since you start washing up the leading edge of the wings until you put it back to the hangar.
It is a great way to get a real feeling of flying, it will create a good base to develop later if you consider jumping to engined aircraft.
As a glider pilot you always need some help, someone to tow you, to run your wing on take off and to pick you up if you land off field, therefore it creates a nice ambience where you ended up helping each other. Creating a teamwork ambience.
I really want to make a return but unfortunately where I am now there are no gliding clubs.
Go for it!

[effortless]

Gliding is pure flying, I love it. But, you cannot just turn up and fly. You have to join in. Not to everyone's taste. Hanging around all day, helping out, can be onerous. If you don't, you will be accused of not being "a club member." The joy of powered is that you turn up, you pays yer money and off you flip. You give it back or hangar your own and go home.

[460]

Turn up, try it (their trial lessons are particularly good), see if you like it and, even more important, the club atmosphere.

Twice is a good idea, just in case you meet the club curmudgeon on the first visit (every club, power & gliding, has one).

The fun, the range of challenges, the excitement is simply astonishing.

[Jazzer83]

In an ideal world I'd learn to fly powered aircraft however I'm struggling to justify the sheer expense of not only gaining the licence but of funding the necessary hours each year to keep it current.

I guess that's where gliding comes into it as a compromise of sorts. If you don't mind me asking how much does it cost to own your own glider?

Portmoak do a learn to glide package at £250 which includes 3 months membership and £200 worth of gliding. If I do go for it I think I'd do that as oppose to a trial flight as they cost £85 so financially the learn to glide package would make more sense.

[Alex757]

Originally Posted by Jazzer83

In an ideal world I'd learn to fly powered aircraft however I'm struggling to justify the sheer expense of not only gaining the licence but of funding the necessary hours each year to keep it current.

I guess that's where gliding comes into it as a compromise of sorts. If you don't mind me asking how much does it cost to own your own glider?

Portmoak do a learn to glide package at £250 which includes 3 months membership and £200 worth of gliding. If I do go for it I think I'd do that as oppose to a trial flight as they cost £85 so financially the learn to glide package would make more sense.

Exactly the reason I got into gliding - and I've stuck with it because I prefer it!

While it is cheaper in terms of cost it definitely "costs" more in time. I purchased a third share in a fairly elderly wooden glider at a cost of £1500. Most people buy gliders in syndicates as it keeps the running costs down. Between the three of us, we pay for the insurance, annual inspection and issue, and most work that needs doing we do ourselves. I estimate realistically I probably spend around £500-600 a year on it. The per hour cost isn't brilliant but it offers more flexibility than renting a glider, although in most clubs renting is not a problem as there is always an aircraft to fly.

To fly something a little higher performance you're looking at maybe £15-20k for a good fibreglass glider for a low hour pilot, though personally I own a vintage glider and if I want to fly something quicker I fly a club aircraft.

I'm not familiar with Portmoak's flying fees but the package sounds like a reasonable deal. Most clubs you pay an annual membership fee (£240 at mine) then pay for a launch (£8 for a winch launch at my club) and hire the glider by the minute (usually 15-30 pence per minute). From winch launches £200 of flying should get you over a dozen flights, although aerotows are significantly more expensive (Usually about £35 for 2000ft)

As others have mentioned having a look around the club is a good idea - even if you don't fly! Most clubs will be happy to show you around with no obligation of spending any money. Best of luck!

[Parson]

It is more than just a choice based on cost. Gliding requires you to spend a fair bit of time at the club helping others into the air just as they will you. So you are probably looking at spending a whole day there to get 2 or 3 short flights in, to start with. If you take it up longer term, it is more of a social thing, devoting time and volunteering to help your club function. And that really suits some people.

You can immerse yourself in a powered flying club in a similar way but no-one is going to complain if you just turn up and fly. Slightly different cultures.

[gliderkev]

As has been said, Gliding is a superb way to fly, full of challenges and rewards. It does need a time commitment, but the returns are huge and Portmoak is a particularly good place to start.
They have two ridges very close by so in most wind conditions you can get extended flights, and that's without thermal and wave... I wish we had a ridge down here!
It can be frustrating at times but I promise you, Gliding is worth it once you are solo and start developing x country skills the challenges and rewards just continue to grow.
Go and have fun!

[Heston]

I love gliding and hope to go back to it one day.
It's so good that I once I lost a student because of it. About half way through his ppl we were talking about spinning. Not part of the syllabus and our aircraft isn't allowed to do spins intentionally, I said, but if you want to see what it's like why don't you spend a day at the gliding club and get them to show you? Never saw him again, and I won't make that mistake again!!

[Jazzer83]

Thanks for all the replies! It certainly is food for thought. I think I'll go ahead and do the learn to glide package. That should give me a good idea whether or not I want to take it up full time.

It is interesting how 3 of the greatest feats in aviation (gimli glider, air transat and the miracle on the Hudson) were performed by captains who had vast glider experience.

Also read an interesting article from Easyjet captain Sarah Kelmen who says that gliding is something that all airline pilots should do to hone and maintain their hands on flying skills.

[mary meagher]

Jazzer83

There are one or two grumpy gits who show up from time to time in PPPrune who managed to have a miserable time in a gliding club. Probably self inflicted.

When my first husband ran off with another woman, I decided to do something rash and exciting, so had my ears pierced and went for a trial lesson at Booker Gliding Club, High Wycombe. Of course as a beginner I was nervous, until the tug towed us up over the hedge and I thought WOW! THIS BIRD WAS BUILT TO FLY!

Went solo 3 months later (wasn't getting any younger so thought I better get on with it...). And that was in 1983.

Since then have accumulated over 3,000 flying hours: 1,800 in gliders, the rest in power, mostly flying the tug! Got the instrument rating in Texas, and bought a 150 Supercub, had it shipped to Booker, but they said it didn't have enough power to pull up the heavier gliders, so moved to Shenington Gliding Club.

Mostly winch launching, at Shenington, it is much less expensive, though not guaranteed to find you a thermal. However we do have a ridge that works well in northwesterly winds.

My longest flight in the UK was 8 hours and 53 minutes, solo, gaining the diamond award. Got the gain of height diamond at Aboyne in Scotland.
So you can do much much more flying gliders. Including spins, loops and chandelles! And if you are a helpful person, you will be especially welcome.

I became an instructor and competition pilot, and have flown in France, Spain, and the USSR!

[4Screwaircrew]

I’ve recently returned to gliding after many years of powered flying, great fun and a very much more social activity than powered flying, everyone helps or no one flys.

[blind pew]

Go for it

I recently returned to gliding at st Remy de provence after a break of five years so that I could fly my grandkids
Twenty plus years ago it was a saviour after I lost my class one medical. It is far more demanding than flying powered aircraft - more like three dimensional chess.
Gliders aren't easy to fly initially but are very rewarding.
I went through driving the winch, trail lessons, instructor, mountain flying and aerobatics.
I stopped because of bullying at a local club..its not always easy as like all clubs there are politics but if you get the right club you will enjoy it.
Most clubs you need to arrive and get the gliders out..only leave when everything is put away.
St remy is a training field so they have a morning and an afternoon. Group which suits me as I'm getting old in the tooth.
I paraglide mostly as I can go when I want if the weather is right...not that often...and I can leave home have an hours flying and be back home within two hours but it involves far more risk.
Read as much as you can..most clubs have libraries of sailplane and gliding.
Remember the old guys who give their time were once young.

[A and C]

I would strongly recommend gliding if you can find the time, my only word of caution is stay out of the club politics.

[planesandthings]

Some great advice from others here. When you start Gliding you'll invariably think that it's a sport full of the retired, demographically it is biased that way but at Portmoak you'll find a diverse range of ages and backgrounds that you don't see in powered simply because power flying is so expensive and there's a much smaller social atmosphere. You'll find anyone from airline pilots to lawyers and shop assistants in gliding, you won't notice the difference really, everyone mucks in.

Portmoak is a fantastic site to learn at and is very busy, soaring flights throughout the winter on the hill will give you plenty of handling time without the difficulties of a small airfield. There's even a chance of wave soaring, just today someone launched out of Portmoak and managed to climb up to 17,000ft, you won't find many GA aircraft up there!

There will be days invariably where the winch breaks or there is a shortage of instructors and you might not get much flying, but thankfully this is far more rare than it used to be with the modern setup of larger clubs who are recognizing the need to evolve, some offer half day bookings as it is realized that people work!

The skills will set you good for life, I'm just completing a powered licence where most of the handling skills were immediately transferable, navigation and procedures may be a bit different, but the stepping stone from gliding to powered is much easier than the other way round as you get used to high angles of attack and conditions much closer to the envelope. Once through your training you can take 10 hours off a LAPL/PPL or even better convert with less than 10 hours add a motorglider rating to your glider licence, best of both worlds!

6 years ago I sat in the front seat of a glider on a trial lesson, now I work for two of the world's largest and most well known clubs teaching people to fly, I haven't gone to university yet but there's plenty of opportunities to broaden your flying, across the world!

Planesandthings

[dsc810]

Originally Posted by Jazzer83

It is interesting how 3 of the greatest feats in aviation (gimli glider, air transat and the miracle on the Hudson) were performed by captains who had vast glider experience.

Unfortunately so too was the co-pilot (who was the pilot in control at the time) of AF447. As was the co-pilot of Germanwings 9525.

[scifi]

As has been said before, gliding is a team effort to get all the flights out. In the winter months it can be particularly unpleasant for the team standing in the mud at the launch point. The jobs that need doing include cable retrieve, glider positioning, wing running, and communicating with the winch (by radio or hand signals.) So be prepared and wear a stout coat, scarf, hat and wellies, whilst you stand in the open air for 4 hours.


However, I had one of my best flights wearing my green wellies. When it was my turn in the K8 (wooden glider), I launched into the leaden skies, and found a gap in the clouds that gave me about 1200 fpm climb rate, I went up to 5500ft so quickly the vario was on the stop, and the altimeter was winding around quicker than a clock's second hand. Had to dive out of that climb as the clouds where closing in on all sides. Also I couldn't claim the height for a badge, as I didn't have the recording apparatus on board... But I still have my 5500ft Green Wellies...!

[Pegpilot]

Impressive post as ever, Mary. I was struck by the incantation "This bird was built to fly". Wonderful stuff - have you thought of building a website to inspire the next generation. We could call it, oh, I dunno, "Bird in a Towplane" ??

[cats_five]

Absolutely, and the Mini Course might be what you want to see how you enjoy it. The club is good at upgrading from a Mini Course (Mon, Wed-Fri) to the Learn to Glide package.

It doesn't happen often but several gliders winch launched straight into wave yesterday and rapidly reached almost 10,000'. There is also a keen set of cross pilots, some of whom flew over 500km yesterday.