Airline pilot looking to revalidate SEP (EGSS)

[Fate_Is_The_Hunter]

Hello all,
Firstly thanks in advance for reading this, I appreciate that it has been posted before but not in a few years and the previous advice seems outdated. I'm currently flying for Europe's Favourite Airline and looking to re-validate my SEP rating having had it expire almost two years ago.. However, due to the fact that I'm operating on an Irish licence I'm unsure how to go about this.

Firstly, how many hours dual should I budget for? I like to think that it's going to be like jumping back on a bike but don't want to fool myself.

Can I do the re-validation with a CAA examiner? If so, do I need to fill out any additional paperwork or will the CAA SEP renewal (SRG1119E?) be sufficient for the IAA?

Lastly, does anybody have any recommendations in the stansted area? Long term I intend to get into aerobatics and complete the course at Cambridge, but in the short term I'd just like to renew the rating as quickly and cheaply as possible.

Many thanks in advance!

[BEagle]

1. You hold an SEP Class Rating included in a licence issued by the IAA. As the rating has expired, it will need to be renewed by Proficiency Check.

2. A UK FE may conduct the LPC in accordance with the Irish administrative procedures included in the EASA Examiner Differences Document https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/fi...RA_Final_0.pdf .

3. Try Andrewsfield Aviation, which is a mere 12 miles from Stansted. They have an excellent reputation and their website is Andrewsfield Aviation ? Flight training, trial lessons and gift experiences in Essex .

Enjoying your holiday?

[rightbank]

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North Weald Flight Training
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Stapleford Flight Centre
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Classic Wings at Duxford
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[Fate_Is_The_Hunter]

Thanks for the advice, I think I'll give Andrewsfield a shot, looks like a friendly place.

And haha, holiday.... if only!

[S-Works]

Question directed at Beagle.

What would you deem to be the minimum training requirements for such a renewal?

Is there an EASA defined minima or is it subject to decision by the Head of Training? Is there a reference that supports it?

[BEagle]

bose-x wrote:

What would you deem to be the minimum training requirements for such a renewal?

Fortunately there is no mandated syllabus or hours requirement - it's simply up to the pilot and the instructors on a case-by-case basis decided by the HoT to decide when he/she thinks that he/she is ready for the LPC.

[S-Works]

Originally Posted by BEagle

Fortunately there is no mandated syllabus or hours requirement - it's simply up to the pilot and the instructors on a case-by-case basis decided by the HoT to decide when he/she thinks that he/she is ready for the LPC.

Do you have something that could be used to back that up? (Not argument, an assistance post!)

[ifitaintboeing]

EASA mandated a minimum number of training sessions in AMC1 FCL.740(b)(1) which is duplicated at the end of Standards Document 14(A).

'Training as required' was an AltMoC submitted by the UK CAA as a pragmatic solution to the requirements in AMC1 FCL.740 (b)(1) following feedback from industry. The CAA AltMoC can be found in CAP 804 Section 4 Part H Subpart 1 page 7. There is a similar AltMoC for Instrument Rating refresher training sessions required by AMC1 FCL.625(c)(1) in CAP 804 Section 4 Part G Subpart 1 page 4.

It's listed on the EASA website at page 3 of this document as a current AltMoC (EASA AltMoC reference 2014‐00006):

https://www.easa.europa.eu/download/...st-for-web.pdf

ifitaint...

[S-Works]

That may well be the answer to my problem. I very much appreciate your time on providing this.

[BEagle]

Indeed, ifitaint...

It's supposed to be included in the Aircrew Regulation following the Opinion for NPA 2014-29(B), to remove any doubt for those numpty MS which don't understand that AMC/GM are not 'hard law'.

But with the advent of Part-DTO not far off, a number of 'ATO' references will need to be amended to 'ATO/DTO'....

[S-Works]

Originally Posted by BEagle

Indeed, ifitaint...

It's supposed to be included in the Aircrew Regulation following the Opinion for NPA 2014-29(B), to remove any doubt for those numpty MS which don't understand that AMC/GM are not 'hard law'.

But with the advent of Part-DTO not far off, a number of 'ATO' references will need to be amended to 'ATO/DTO'....

I have an issue at the moment where a candidate who is a current airline pilot with a rating expired end of 2012 on SEP(A) with last flight a couple of weeks before expiry has had his training rejected by the Spanish CAA. He did 3 training sessions, 2 class room and a 1hr flight before being deemed by the FI(A) to be ready for test. Test was completed by an independent Spanish Examiner with no fault.

They have now written to me as HoT and accused me of "poor management oversight" for allowing the candidate to test and the FI(A) for "poor assessment" and the Examiner for the same and told the candidate he must undertake more training and another test!!!

So we basically have an NAA overriding the assessment of 3 professional flight Instructors (all of us Flight Examiners) including an independent flight Examiner from their own authority and the approvals of a UK ATO. The have issued no guidance material of their own as to what is acceptable but have chosen to negate my authority.

As a UK school we acted totally in accordance with the UK AMC in my belief.

[fireflybob]

I believe EASA professional licences include LAPL privileges.

Is there anything to stop said pilot attaining the experience requirements required in the previous 24 months (under the supervision of a flying instructor) such that the licence holder could then exercise LAPL privileges?

[jayteeto]

Similar situation, I was told that I must demonstrate basic navigation techniques on the checkride, using drift lines etc. Can't be bothered with all that guff I learned 30 years ago, I fly HEMS helicopters VFR doing the sums in my head by estimates and it works VERY accurately. Didn't bother doing the aeroplanes SEP and ended up just renewing the twin IR/twin rating instead, which allows me to fly VFR as well.
Stupid rules

[BEagle]

bose-x, if you are a UK-approved ATO then oversight is with the UK CAA, not that bunch at Nuevos Ministerios! Whose knowledge of EASA matters has always been rather weak.

If I were you, I would speak with your UK standards inspector and advise him that:

1. Refresher training was conducted in accordance with UK AltMoC, which under EASA AltMoC reference 2014‐00006, has not identified been identified by the Agency as being in conflict with the Regulation (EC) No 216/2008 and its Implementing Rules.

2. All requirements of the AltMoC were met and the applicant passed the LPC with a Spanish FE in accordance with national administrative requirements.

3. The Spanish CAA appears to have exceeded its authority in this matter, so would the standards inspector please take the necessary action to intervene and strip away the Spanish gold plating.

fireflybob, that is a common misunderstanding of the poorly-worded 'LAPL privileges' for professional licence holders. Something we keep telling EASA, but she-who-must-be-obeyed won't listen...

[S-Works]

Thanks Beagle. Awesome.

[beamer]

Last time I did this, I was asked to fly to the overhead at Staverton and then fly in a straight line to a roundabout some thirty miles away. That complete waste of time over and done with we flew back to Gloucester doing some stalls on the way which was a rather more useful exercise. Then a couple of circuits and half an hour doing PFL's and it was job done, signed up and fees paid.

Retired now.............