Tracey Curtis-Taylor (Merged threads)
May I suggest Victorian that it is not posters on this thread who are seeking fame and adulation. They are not lecturing, appearing on national radio or accepting honours and awards. They are not taking the money of others to fund their 'adventures'. You seem to suggest that is someone 'sounds nice' and can get the gullible or those who know no better to believe them it is somehow OK. It isnt.
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I think about new student pilots working hard and saving simply to be able to afford to fly at all, and work their way up to being a professional pilot. They think about every dollar/pound/euro to go flying, and have a goal worthy in our industry. Then, we have an apparently "well connected" woman who is drawing upon sentiment and falsely describing her accomplishments so she can go flying at someone else's expense. That's not okay with me, she should very simply be honest. If her goals are so good that someone will fund, celebrate and honour them when truthfully presented to the world, that's fine. But in the mean time, the hard working new pilots who are earning to pay for every hour they fly, and truthfully declaring their experience and solo flying deserve the credit here, and TCT is eroding that unfairly with her self aggrandizement.
If the recent presenting of the truth of her accomplishments has not caused her to rethink and draw back a little, then, in my opinion, doesn't get it, and perhaps should be told by her peers to take a step back. We, the knowledgeable people in the industry should not turn a blind eye to this, or we are endorsing what she has done, and seemingly continues to do.
A fair and truthful picture should be publicly presented as long as TCT continues to promote her endeavors based upon fizzy truth.
If the recent presenting of the truth of her accomplishments has not caused her to rethink and draw back a little, then, in my opinion, doesn't get it, and perhaps should be told by her peers to take a step back. We, the knowledgeable people in the industry should not turn a blind eye to this, or we are endorsing what she has done, and seemingly continues to do.
A fair and truthful picture should be publicly presented as long as TCT continues to promote her endeavors based upon fizzy truth.
There was a suggestion on here some weeks ago that that letters to the honours committee might raise issues regarding her 'adventures'. - JS
And doubtless the committee would have to cross refer for the Royal Navy's input in view of the lady's honorary rank.
Jack
And doubtless the committee would have to cross refer for the Royal Navy's input in view of the lady's honorary rank.
Jack
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"But so what?"
It's called deceit Victorian, plain and simple.
"Isn't that what matters?"
Maybe for the likes of the sponsor and a known publisher etc, trading off the back of her deceit, hoping it increases their subscription revenue, but not for me, no.
"We won't improve our own image by constantly carping about her"
That's what Max Clifford said.
I am absolutely astonished that she has not now bowed out gracefully, with a willingness to pass the batten on to another female who can pull the solo flight out of the flight case, if it really needs to be done again. If she is as educated as she would like one to believe, she would know that the awards were scammed and hand them back.
"But so what?"
It's called deceit Victorian, plain and simple.
"Isn't that what matters?"
Maybe for the likes of the sponsor and a known publisher etc, trading off the back of her deceit, hoping it increases their subscription revenue, but not for me, no.
"We won't improve our own image by constantly carping about her"
That's what Max Clifford said.
I am absolutely astonished that she has not now bowed out gracefully, with a willingness to pass the batten on to another female who can pull the solo flight out of the flight case, if it really needs to be done again. If she is as educated as she would like one to believe, she would know that the awards were scammed and hand them back.
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I'm not astonished because nothing I've ever read that she's said or read about her suggests that she would do the decent thing.
I don't think she's ever claimed to be well educated but a good education isn't a prerequisite for knowing right from wrong.
I don't think she's ever claimed to be well educated but a good education isn't a prerequisite for knowing right from wrong.
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a good education isn't a prerequisite for knowing right from wrong.
TCT has stepped into the realm of general aviation, where we [pilots] reside with pride. We conduct ourselves with honour, log our piloting time accurately, and do not take undeserved credit.
From what I read here, TCT has done things which dishonour pilots in general, but worse, appears (again, only based upon what I read here) to be trying to "navigate" and bend her conduct, and recent history in an attempt to defend, justify, and perpetuate it. That's the most of what I find dishonourable.
A previous poster mentioned a possible break in the path of compliance when they mentioned that TCT may not have held a valid FAA license, which is required for flying an N registered plane. Perhaps that rabbit hole is worth a look - who was the legal PIC for that flying? Gosh, if it turned out (me speculating) that the legal PIC was Mr. Gritsch, because TCT did not hold an FAA license, that would be very telling!
To quote post #349
I take it this is referring to TCT and if so, I presume she holds at least an FAA Private Pilot Certificate to operate as PIC of an 'N' registered aircraft (In particular the flying conducted in the US most recently)? An Airman Inquiry through the FAA reveals nothing.
Required * Last Name: First Name: (may be partial or may include middle name) Date of Birth:
Day: Year: (i.e. 1974) City: State:
- OR - Country:
Search Results
Display Preference: HorizontalVertical
No records found based on search criteria provided above
Day: Year: (i.e. 1974) City: State:
- OR - Country:
Search Results
Display Preference: HorizontalVertical
No records found based on search criteria provided above
Again, that's my speculation, based upon what I read here, and the FAA search I have quoted. If my speculation turns out to be wrong, I will certainly withdraw it. Perhaps she is FAA licensed under a different name. Then, I would wonder why....
To "check the system" I searched myself as an FAA pilot the same way, and I am listed, so I know the search works the way I used it.
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I don't think that it is going to happen any time soon, unless of course she has a change of heart. Don't see how "our own image" is going to be harmed by asking for the truth to be told.
TC-T may be an alumna of the Lisa Clayton School of voyaging shorthand. Lisa claimed to have sailed solo around the world back in 1994/5, and there's not much doubt that she was solo. Unfortunately the interweb wasn't so popular then.
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Replay link,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fg1x4
Edit to add: I wasn't aware you had to have an FAA license to fly an N reg, I have mates who fly N reg aircraft on UK ppl's
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fg1x4
Edit to add: I wasn't aware you had to have an FAA license to fly an N reg, I have mates who fly N reg aircraft on UK ppl's
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Again, that's my speculation, based upon what I read here, and the FAA search I have quoted. If my speculation turns out to be wrong, I will certainly withdraw it.
Tabs please !
I wasn't aware you had to have an FAA license to fly an N reg, I have mates who fly N reg aircraft on UK ppl's
I understand that it is legal to do so within the British Isles. It is not legal for a UK PPL holder to take an N registered aircraft to the Channel Islands.
If Flying Lawyer is still monitoring this thread, could he please provide the definitive answer. I don't spend much of my spare time studying air law.
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If I type in 'curtis-taylor' to the database I find this:
Date of Issue: 9/23/2013
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED) Print
Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT (Foreign Based)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
Limits:
ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
ISSUED ON BASIS OF AND VALID ONLY WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY UNITED KINGDOM PILOT LICENSE NUMBER(S) GBR.FCL.PP.3365 94H.A.
ALL LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE UNITED KINGDOM PILOT LICENSE APPLY.
Date of Issue: 9/23/2013
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED) Print
Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT (Foreign Based)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
Limits:
ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
ISSUED ON BASIS OF AND VALID ONLY WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY UNITED KINGDOM PILOT LICENSE NUMBER(S) GBR.FCL.PP.3365 94H.A.
ALL LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE UNITED KINGDOM PILOT LICENSE APPLY.
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And if you do the same search of the FAA database for Ewald Gritsch you get this result:
PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED)
Date of Issue: 9/23/2013
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED) Print
Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT (Foreign Based)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
Limits:
ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
ISSUED ON BASIS OF AND VALID ONLY WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY AUSTRIA PILOT LICENSE NUMBER(S) AT.FCL.4555.
ALL LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE AUSTRIA PILOT LICENSE APPLY.
What's interesting is that both TCT and Ewald Gritsch had their FAA licences issued on the same date, and probably at the same place. Am I being cynical in coming to the conclusion that this confirms that there has been a strong overtone of "joint enterprise" throughout the planning and execution of this whole fairy tale?
PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED)
Date of Issue: 9/23/2013
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED) Print
Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT (Foreign Based)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
Limits:
ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
ISSUED ON BASIS OF AND VALID ONLY WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY AUSTRIA PILOT LICENSE NUMBER(S) AT.FCL.4555.
ALL LIMITATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE AUSTRIA PILOT LICENSE APPLY.
What's interesting is that both TCT and Ewald Gritsch had their FAA licences issued on the same date, and probably at the same place. Am I being cynical in coming to the conclusion that this confirms that there has been a strong overtone of "joint enterprise" throughout the planning and execution of this whole fairy tale?
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Am I being cynical in coming to the conclusion that this confirms that there has been a strong overtone of "joint enterprise" throughout the planning and execution of this whole fairy tale?
A primary school kid with a Cycling Proficiency Badge could have accomplished as much as she has. Aviatrix my arse.
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And if you do the same search of the FAA database for Ewald Gritsch you get this result:
PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED)
Date of Issue: 9/23/2013
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED) Print
Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT (Foreign Based)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED)
Date of Issue: 9/23/2013
Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT(FOREIGN BASED) Print
Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT (Foreign Based)
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND
AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND
Sorry could not resist! Carry on...
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Erm, well ..
I would suggest that if one encounters a dead parrot and it looks like it's dead, smells like it's dead and won't respond to stimulus .. it probably is.
Or .. are you trying to tell us that it's probably "just pining for the fjords"?
I would suggest that if one encounters a dead parrot and it looks like it's dead, smells like it's dead and won't respond to stimulus .. it probably is.
Or .. are you trying to tell us that it's probably "just pining for the fjords"?
