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Old 8th Jun 2016, 19:22
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I do not give opinions about legal matters except in very restricted circumstances which I consider to be appropriate.

As a statement of fact, not legal opinion, the letter was sent to the Registered office address of 'BIRD IN A BIPLANE LIMITED'.

Feel free to contact Companies House suggesting that it removes the Registered office address of that company from its official website.
I'd be "genuinely interested" to know their response.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 20:34
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Generally, I agree with everything that you have to say. I normally even support your views. Here, on this, I do not, and I will tell you why...

If this was 'bar chatter' and the bird came along telling us that she did a solo flight and we knew better, we would tell her where to go and laugh at her. That scenario is not applicable here. She has gone public, taken undeserved awards and making money with speeches. Jay, has just gone public here and I am not aware that his efforts are for financial reward.

The woman has [in my opinion] stick her finger up to those in the know and blatantly mis-sold the story for a financial benefit. As I said on the other thread, deceit is deceit whichever way you want to spell it.

I feel for Jay in a way. Everyone has their own 'pet hates' and this is obviously his. I don't like Songs of Praise but I wouldn't dare write to the BBC and ask them to ditch it. I simply turn the channel to something of my own taste. Funnily enough, the people that were trying to shut Jay/Old Pilot up have decided to follow him here, so i do concur with the mob mentality with you on that one.

I suspect, and I don't know, that Jay thought by flagging up the issue on the forums something would get done by putting the wrong back to right.
The principle is right and just. He's come to an aviation forum regarding an aviation issue hoping that someone who needs to see it will, so you can follow his logical concept to that point.



The danger with what she has done, is evident here, and some people will not be gagged for what they believe in. Take Hillsborough as a general example.

I suspect, and I could be wrong, but many flying instructors are also hoping that TCT's promotion of introducing more female pilots could be a money spinner for them too. Who knows

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Old 8th Jun 2016, 21:11
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I wasn't aware that the letter had been stolen. I know Jay has her address but I cannot believe for one minute that he has broken in.

I suspect that a copy has been passed to him by someone.


For that matter, I cannot see the letter being marked as private and confidential either.

EDIT The danger is bose, she wants to live by the sword, but that has 2 blades.

Where is she anyway?
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 21:22
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I'm sorry, bose-x, I can't agree with your "one individual" assertion.

There were many of us on this forum who'd noted and commented on TCT's posturing and deceitful claims long before JS came along with his additional material.
While some out there might find it perfectly acceptable to use such means for self-aggrandisement and monetary gain, I'm afraid that many of us within the aviation industry (both current and former), certainly do not.

For someone to blatantly try to position themself, by devious means, among the aviation greats is not just unacceptable, but reprehensible.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Jetblu
Funnily enough, the people that were trying to shut Jay/Old Pilot up have decided to follow him here, so i do concur with the mob mentality with you on that one.
Given that I was fairly robust - indeed, I used the very words "Shut Up" - to Jay Sata (in what was fairly obviously his 'Old Pilot' persona) on another forum, I suspect you may be thinking of people including me here. Not least since I have also posted on this thread. (I didn't "follow" - I've been here a while).

I think it only appropriate to point out that anybody looking at that Flyer forum will be aware that I certainly was not closing down the point being made. Neither, in fact, was anybody else including Ian S - as evidenced by the fact that posts have not been deleted, only closed. They are still all available to view.

The objection, rather, was that the SAME point, without any further information or detail other than the basic complaint itself, was being made over and over again in newly created threads in a short period of time and was getting extremely boring and pointlessly repetitive.

It is pointless behaviour IMO, since the basic complaint appears valid as I have said several times elsewhere; TC-T's claims seem disingenuous at best. However, a complaint only needs to be made once and then left until further information comes to light.

This thread, eventually (not the case when it was begun), now does perhaps have more information (and I don't mean dubiously copied correspondence - I mean apparent firm info from NZ and elsewhere).

The point is fairly simple: Provide supportable information and build up a case. Saying the same thing 10 times doesn't mean you have 10 times more evidence; it just serves to annoy people.

Also, rumour and innuendo isn't evidence, and self-defeatingly simply serves to obscure any actual relevant evidence that you may have.

So, one last time: I'd say there likely is a moral case to be made: A repetitive scattergun witch-hunt like this one isn't the way to prosecute it.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 21:45
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Everybody has their own style of execution, you have yours, I have mine, Jay has his and so on.

If he decides to duplicate his posts ten times, that is a matter for him, not us.
He may have dementia for all we know, I doubt it, but possible. On the other hand, bringing your pet squirrel along as support to get your message across may be something a bit more serious than dementia. but you did, and as far as I can see, the happy clappy brigade joined in.

Here, it is different, we are having a discussion and airing our views about a serious GA deception. It is hoped that juniors are not following this thread and believing that deceit is ok and they could/might just get away with it if they have a pair.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 22:07
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Originally Posted by Jetblu
If he decides to duplicate his posts ten times, that is a matter for him, not us.
I strongly disagree with this.

A forum is not a playground solely for the posters - it is at least as much, and arguably more due to relative numbers if nothing else, for the readers too.

Posting duplicates which detract from a forum's ambience and value is typically considered as bad as spamming - I'd suggest it is spamming - and Internet etiquette frowns on that for good reason.

(And to no-one's surprise, I have no squirrel)
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 22:20
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Disagree as much as you like, you are entitled to your own opinion as much as I am to mine, so probably best to agree to disagree on that one.

In the meantime, I look forward to receiving Jay's potentially duplicating posts and having my memory refreshed to save me from keep scrolling back.
If it's not new news, I will simply ignore. Nothing hard in that, is there.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 22:25
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"The Embellishment of my Life" by TCT

At least TCT's re-enactment of AJ's flight was accurate in some respects.
Quote from the "MALAY MAIL" online 8/6/16.

Q: Is your journey today easier or more difficult compared with Amy Johnsonís in 1930?
A: Amy basically crashed her way to Australia as she was trying to beat a world record. (She took 19 days, didnít succeed at bettering Bert Hinklerís record of 16 days). She had no radio, no restrictions, no air space to contend with.

Unfortunately this quote from the "3G CLASSIC AVIATION" website is a gross exaggeration.

In 2013, 85 years later, Tracey Curtis-Taylor, a pilot with vast experience flying historic airplanes all over the planet and moreover one of the Shuttleworth Collection display pilots, will recreate this flight in a specially restored Stearman biplane.

This woman is delusional and perhaps should be pitied?
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 22:57
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IMHO it should be left to the moderators to decide what should or should not be permitted.

If you think a thread is boring/repetitive, don't bother reading it.
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 23:00
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"This woman is delusional"


Obviously. I fail to see how any sane person could genuinely believe that they would successfully pull this one off unnoticed,
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Old 8th Jun 2016, 23:01
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Well, OK.

As the man said, we're all entitled to our opinion.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 00:36
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I don't understand why self-promoting females make such a big fuss about flying an aircraft.

You don't need a toggle & two to fly an aeroplane or a helicopter. You just don't. You don't need the forearm muscles of Popeye to push and pull on a stick or a yoke, nor do you need the thigh muscles of a rugger scrum prop forward to push one end or the other of a rudder bar. There are plenty of products which enable females to play tennis and swim throughout the lunar month, so that's not a barrier to wimmin aviating either.

I sort of understand why eyebrows were raised when women rode bicycles and flew long distances unescorted in the 1920s, but in the 21st century such admiration is absurd and quite literally patronising.

It's conspicuous that the pompous dining society has deleted the male from its 'award' of a so-called "medal" from the crew of two who did the Africa and Strine trips. One wonders what the overwhelmingly male contingent of the puffed up pricks of that mutual ego-stroking society are compensating for.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 02:44
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IMHO it should be left to the moderators to decide what should or should not be permitted.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. As long as the group is collectively steering this thread, avoiding the extremes, and not "crossing a line", for myself, I'm content to be an observer. I'm happier to not have to moderate this, so it has maximum opportunity for discussion. I've read all of the posts with interest, and see merit in both points of view.

We don't, and don't have to all agree about this, but common courtesy is appreciated - no one has murdered anyone. Let the discussion continue, with the basic courtesy we would show each other, and TCT, were we to be discussing this all in person.

I see a side benefit to this discussion, in that entities who may be involved in evaluating aviation accomplishments, may be quietly considering. That's good!
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 05:56
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As a point of observation, once anyone has become the registered owner of an aircraft or a company director, the given address is in the public domain. If you know where to look, the information can be found very quickly. In my view, it was "bad form" to publish the letters where the address was readable. It did not however reveal any personal details that cannot be found by other means.


There are a few snippets on YouTube which tell the story. One thing that I find puzzling is that the "camera operator" in the front cockpit does not appear to be filming key events such as the celebrated arrival in Australia. If any portion of the flight was to be filmed from the front seat then surely it would be the arrival and reception to mark the completion of the epic "solo" endeavour. Has anyone seen a picture of the "camera operator" at work ?
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 09:49
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If any portion of the flight was to be filmed from the front seat then surely it would be the arrival and reception to mark the completion of the epic "solo" endeavour. Has anyone seen a picture of the "camera operator" at work ?
Can you see anything from the front seat? I though that's why the pilot sat in the back when flying ,,, dare I say it,, SOLO
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 10:06
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Pilot DAR ! A moderator who is actually a voice of moderation. Impressive and very likeable.

What is the matter with some of you ? Is it envy? Jealousy? Spite? Whatever the motivation, the kind of heavyweight, character assassination that is so prevalent on this subject is demeaning and puerile to the practitioners. In heaven's name, desist !

If there is nothing remotely kind that one can write about this person then, write nothing. Remember the Biblical injunction: "Be sure your sins will find you out", it might well apply to the person concerned.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 10:13
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Exactly.
In my case, I'm just jealous that this TCT character seems to be better at bullsh1t than me, that's all.
You can now go back to your newspaper.
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Old 9th Jun 2016, 10:23
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Remember the Biblical injunction: "Be sure your sins will find you out", it might well apply to the person concerned.
Yup! 'Seems that's happening!
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Unlike the rest of the drivel in CK's post.
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