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Old 26th Oct 2016, 16:49
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June 11 2016 was the very first time she stated the flights weren't solo. Since then she has produced 'statements' nearly every month but they still don't explain why since 2014 she had stated she was alone, kept inferring she was alone and didn't trouble to correct media statements that purported her to be alone. She keeps referring to these statements in her rebuttal as if they magically make everything clear but as they are only four months old, they are meaningless.
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 17:08
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As we know the nub of the problem is that word solo. What made the feats of historical famous female aviators great was that they conducted their flights on their own. If they hadn't been solo we may well not know who they were today.


Now in all the press releases before the trip it is stated that it was going to be a solo flight and it was this little fact that made the expedition special. If from the outset it was publicised that she would have another pilot with her and a well resourced support aircraft following behind the jaunt would have hardly merited a mention in specialist aviation press let alone the national media.


Once it was decided to change the terms of the flight in such a significant way TCT and her PR team should have immediately issued a statement correcting what the objective of the trip was. But there is not a mention of this and of course no corrections were made when the press published incorrect details as they had received no information to the contrary.


This little PR trick has been perfected by politicians in recent years. I first noticed it with PM T Blair, he would announce some popular new policy and it would be lauded in the press and he would get great acclaim for his dealings with the matter. Then a couple of years later you would realise that he had never carried out the actions he had promised. If the press noticed and questioned why, the politician would simply say that he had been thwarted by the judges or the EU or some other excuse. Meanwhile he had benefited from the good publicity his policy announcement had generated.


Welcome to the modern world based on PURE SPIN

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Old 26th Oct 2016, 17:13
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Ahem!
"Over the sea, I was flying at 10 feet or below over breeding whales".

As had been suggested elsewhere, this woman needs help.
Quite aside from any aviation safety and regulation issues...
A quote from a typical and internationally agreed Government Wildlife Management regulation:

"There are also restrictions on the height that aircraft can operate around whales. Fixed wing aircraft should fly no closer than 300 metres (1000ft) from a whale."

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Old 26th Oct 2016, 17:36
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Statement from Ms Taylor:

Curtis-Taylor said, “I have stated publicly previously (11 June 2016) that I am deeply disappointed at the comments coming from a particular source making false assertions that my flight expeditions should have been executed as solo flights and that I have claimed them as such. I have previously stated they were not ‘solo flights’.
Dear Tracey, You clearly believe that you are dealing with idiots here, or otherwise this statement was designed to bolster support from within your diminishing fan base. Obviously you are disappointed (you got caught) but nobody is suggesting that the expedition should have been executed as a "solo" venture, even though you had advertised it as such. The reason that this farce is being played out is because (1) you claimed it would be carried out "solo," (2) inferred later that it had been carried out "solo' and then (3), when the facts became clear, you attempted to deflect criticism by redefining the meaning of "solo."

You appear to me to be an intelligent lady, but the writer of your PR statements appears to be on a different planet, or possibly deranged. Who writes this stuff?
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 17:41
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The answer to that question is Tim Kelly Media.

If you ask me he has made a mess of this for his client and the sponsors.
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 18:01
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Two comments from the radio article, one of which may be quite telling.

She accuses the Entebbe ATCO for turning her into restricted airspace, may I remind her that it is the PILOTS responsibility, not ATC. My instinct tells me that this just might be one of those limited occasions where Ewald was not up front; I cannot see him not knowing what was around him. Can anyone verify if this was at the end of one such "solo" legs; if so then it certainly outlines one of the reasons for EG "holding her hand" so to speak.

She mentions something about engine failure and how she would land on a road if necessary. Really? Seeing as she wasn't even capable of landing on the remaining runway at Winslow. By her own words she was at 50ft having accelerated and climbed normally.
Can anyone confirm just how much runway should have been in front of her? (I think I saw something about this earlier)...OR... was there more to the crash that we are not being told. Was she perhaps flying to impress.

Just a thought or two.
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 18:49
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Winslow Arizona (KINW) has two runways of around 7000 ft but it is almost 5000ft amsl. This might have caught a few people out but having flown previously flown through Central Africa there should have been some awareness of density altitude.
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.av...16LA106&akey=1
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 19:20
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Originally Posted by tubby linton View Post
Winslow Arizona (KINW) has two runways of around 7000 ft but it is almost 5000ft amsl. This might have caught a few people out but having flown previously flown through Central Africa there should have been some awareness of density altitude.
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.av...16LA106&akey=1
Thank you TL.

So given a density altitude of about 7,223 feet and a pressure altitude of 4,757 feet.
A 300hp Stearman, two POB and an assumed full fuel load, just how much runway would have been ahead of her as she lost power at 50ft in a normal climb?

Would any sensible pilot, given the conditions, elect for mid-point departure? (I would doubt it)

Would you expect this to end in nothing more than a brown-trouser moment, or would it result in some let's-save-the-day heroics avoiding power-lines, which I estimate to be a further 2500ft away to the right of the climb-out lane.
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 21:10
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It seems that even Wikipedia has had enough - the banner across TCT's page is threatening deletion "according to Wikipedia's deletion policy.

How the mighty have fallen!
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 21:19
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"How the mighty have fallen."
I'm afraid that TCT was only ever a 'legend in her own lunchtime'.
That news does, however, give me a little faith in an organisation that I'd supported.
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 21:32
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Hardly an example to follow.

Having read this thread from Post #1 and followed the entire, sorry saga from Day #1 I have refrained from commenting thus far. Frankly the evidence is there for all to see as far as the solo claim is concerned, likewise the laughable suggestion that TCT warrants an award for navigation.

What I will comment on though is her being held up as a shining example. Having not only read and heard her tales of derring-do on various media and heard her speak first hand I think her tales deserve closer scrutiny. Others have already commented on this but several things strike me when reading my own notes from one of her speeches.

….when I flew over Israeli airspace we were met by another Boeing Stearman on the Haifa coast, flying the Tel Aviv coast at about 50 feet. Now when they say that males can’t multi-skill……uh…y’know in general…uh….here’s the pilot of this other Boeing Stearman….so…. we lock in to…..he’s in close formation he’s doing barrel rolls around me he’s got his head down he’s doing all the radio control, eight different control zones through Israel and he’s got his head down doing all the radio and all the time he’s got his mobile phone out the side filming me so we go over Tel Aviv over the temple of Jerusalem at 200 feet spiralling down into the Dead Sea, the lowest point on the surface of the Earth, 1200 feet below sea level and we flew this biblical coast like flying into geological history, pre-history, this biblical landscape flying the cliffs, glowing cliffs off the wingtip from here to here and we spiralled down and flew in formation at about 15 feet...
I used bold to highlight the use of the term "we" and her claim to have been allowed to overfly possibly the most sensitive site in the Middle East. I'd need to see compelling proof of a clearance to believe that. While relating the low-level flight over the Red Sea TCT claimed to have flown along some cliffs "...less than half a wing-span from the rock face...".

Victoria Falls, one of the great landmarks of Africa…. Normally they stack the traffic up to about 12,000 feet….the falls are about 2000 feet above sea level but they stack the traffic up to 12,000 feet all the operators, helicopters, microlights and I’m a kinda transient pilot just coming through……… talking to one of the local pilots y’know what he says it’s off season if you time it and get there about lunchtime there’ll be nobody else in the area fill your boots. So here I am flying to Victoria Falls and I come roaring up the Zambezi valley …..you could see the falls in the distance just a cloud on the horizon, it’s called smoke falls and I come roaring…….nobody in sight……..a few buzzards over…..do several circuits around them at 200 feet….it was absolutely breathtaking…..y’know it’s one of the great sights……we had GoPros all…to film it. The airfield is about three miles away, I hadn’t appreciated the proximity and when I radioed in they said ohhhh you should be at 4000 feet I said no, no just at 2300 feet they said well you should be at 4000 feet I said well I said I’m at visual range please just clear me I’m at visual range and I can come in to land……baboons racing up the runway of course the last thing you want to hear as a pilot is ‘Report to the tower’. Sort the aeroplane out, we’ve got crew……..met by a large black man….controller…and he said you know I…I….I…..y’know and he just sat there and, and fulminating and he just said, he just said “You’re dangerous and he said this sort of thing might be very well in Britain but here in Zambia we have safety regulations”.
I have heard her tell this story three times but the quote above is exactly that, a word-for-word account. What struck me during the telling was her utter dismissal of the ATC officer. I also found it appalling when she cofessed...

...when we were leaving the Falls I looked up and saw the airfield only three miles away....I was shocked by its proximity....I hadn't appreciated how near it would be..
So not only did she take someone's word that it would be acceptable to fly at low-level into an aera where there are high levels of traffic with very specific procedures but she also had not taken the time to study the charts for the airfield.

Then the Entebbe incident where she/they infringed a no-fly zone.

Two hours later we’re going flying into Entebbe. We’re on final approach and they say to me we’ve got an airliner coming up fast behind you just orbit, orbit to the left and give way and I’m fine, I’ve only got a top speed of 90mph so Iook round oh okay and once again we didn’t have the charts and I orbit left which took us over sort of part of the city and there below is a fabulous paladial (sic) mansion so did some sightseeing…..sight the traffic coming in, coming in to land……”Report to the tower” so here we go again. So this time we are met by the military police and they sit me down, they hand me a brochure with 9/11 on it. “Look at that, airliners fly into buildings” because what I’d done was fly over the presidential palace, I’d flown all over a prohibited area. I didn’t have the charts….the air traffic controllers didn’t flag it up…..so I’m looking at the brochure and I sort of said, I said “Hang on a second have you seen my aeroplane? It’s a wood and fabric…do you really think this constitutes a threat to Ugandan national security?” But really three hours and they threatened to impound the aeroplane and arrest me and I said, I said y’know what? Fine. Do it. It’s gonna be embarrassing not only embarrassing for me but for you if you really want to make an international incident of it.
Again, my bold. Once again that attitude of smug superiority toward an official who has (quite rightly) chastised her for breaking rules. But what this particular quote highlights is her claim elsewhere that this was the fault of ATC. In other versions (and to this one to a degree) she suggests that ATC vectored her into the prohibited area yet her she clearly states that she "...did some sightseeing..." while again admitting to not having the appropriate charts.

Are HCAP still happy to give their awards to a pilot of this calibre?

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Old 26th Oct 2016, 21:56
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I have to admit that there have been some really articulate,intelligent and entertaining posts made since the LAA AGM outcome.It will certainly be interesting to see how the HCAP meeting goes today.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I've got to thinking about TCT's recent behaviour,specifically, since her first attempts of damage control on 11 June 2016.There has been a concerted effort since then to try and mitigate the BS spouted by both her and the PR team,weasel words,redefining solo flight,introduction of the term"sole pilot",etc. Could it be that the SPONSORS have actually had enough and called in their support or more specifically their Moolah.This would explain the threats of legal action and the seeking of damages because I don't think our intrepid aviatrix would have the means to repay the large amount involved as it's all been spent.When your back is against the wall it's time to get nasty.......just a thought.
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 22:55
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Ahem!
"Over the sea, I was flying at 10 feet or below over breeding whales".

As had been suggested elsewhere, this woman needs help.
Quite aside from any aviation safety and regulation issues...
A quote from a typical and internationally agreed Government Wildlife Management regulation:

"There are also restrictions on the height that aircraft can operate around whales. Fixed wing aircraft should fly no closer than 300 metres (1000ft) from a whale."
A disgraceful act of gung ho arrogance, stupidity and ignorance, if true. The Stearman is a very noisy aircraft, especially when at high power, and at such close range this will very likely have deafened the whales, permanently. So how would they then navigate, Tracey, as they don't have GPS to assist them? What on God's earth was the thinking behind subjecting these unsuspecting creatures to such an onslaught of assaults on their senses?

Everything I read about, and particularly attributed to have been said by, this woman does nothing whatsoever to endear me to her or her claimed cause.

From all the evidence, particularly the recent quoted boasts about her dealings with authorities in other countries after having flouted their laws and regulations, they all appear to be giving the same message: two fingers to the lot of you, I just don't care what damage I do whilst having my bit of fun!... but woe betide anyone who dares to tarnish my reputation.

Barry Tempest appears to have it spot on when he said:
I think she is a boastful lady who needs bringing down a peg or two.
I truly hope HCAP re-examine the evidence, have a really serious think about the message they will be sending by endorsing her for her airmanship, and do the correct thing.
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Old 26th Oct 2016, 23:02
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I must say, her Wiki page needs a fast internet connection to keep up with the changes. It's nothing like it used to. It almost (almost) reads like what actually happened rather than what TC-T and/or her PR team would like us to think happened. But that is at 22:25Z on 26th October.

But I have a question, what does TC-T have to do to get the mob off her back? The old fashioned methods of burning at the stake and ducking in the village pond have been prohibited for a quite a while. I ask because the end appears to be in sight. Her revised cake recipe and recent poor press has tarnished her brand. As unprofessional and as hopelessly over-exaggeratingly as she has been, I believe that if she is given a clear and easy way out she might take it, even if just to save her as yet un-released (& probably unsold) film and her speaking income.

Her threat legal action has to be hollow. Only a thumping win will restore her credibility but the chance of that happening is close to zero. A court case will end up with even more public humiliation. Will she be sensible and take an easy way out?

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Old 26th Oct 2016, 23:40
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If the HCAP MM goes ahead then the best thing TCT can do is to graciously decline the award.
If she thinks losing the LAA BW award is embarrassing, imagine having a second one rescinded; it would be disastrous, whereas demonstrating a little bit of integrity, humility, and some respect for her peers might just do her reputation a little bit of good.

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Old 27th Oct 2016, 01:05
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I understand it is confirmed TCT is not attending the Honourable Company of Air Pilots awards Banquet.

It is very unusual for a recipient of a major award not to attend.

HRH Prince Andrew ,the Grand Master, will also not be attending.
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 02:17
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Given your post Jay I just had a look at the HCAP site and can find no mention of TCT. Poor search skills on my part, or ........?
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 03:39
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Here is the citation from the HCAP site. Importantly it describes Ewald as the co-pilot and states it was not a solo flight. That of course is the point we have all been making for many months.

Between October last year and January this year, Tracey Curtis-Taylor led an aviation expedition from the UK to Australia, retracing the route flown by Amy Johnson as tribute to her, and evoking the pioneering spirit of that era, but with a very different purpose or objective for the whole undertaking. Unlike Amy Johnson’s flight this was not a solo flight and it was sponsored by Artemis and Boeing as part of a promotional endeavour to encourage females into aviation. Tracey's team consisting her co-pilot and engineer, Ewald Gritsch, flying with her in the Stearman biplane, and film-crew in a Cessna Caravan chase-plane throughout the expedition, together with back-up and logistics support team, were all there with one specific principal aim in mind: to promote aviation to many thousands of youngsters, especially women, across the globe for whom flying is a distant, even unknown or seemingly unachievable activity. The entire expedition was filmed for a documentary and will show, better than can be described by any citation, how this outreach to youngsters in the Middle East and Asia in particular was achieved.

This was a singularly spectacular and successful advertisement for women in aviation, worldwide. Whether young women witnessed the flights directly, or indirectly by following social media or press campaigns, many will have been inspired by this ‘bird in a biplane’. In many of the countries en route and where Tracey and her team stopped-over, refuelled or put-on demonstration flights, a woman driving a car is almost unheard of, let alone flying a plane. Consider the impact that seeing a woman in the cockpit had on many of those young, impressionable women.

The Master’s award recognises Tracey Curtis-Taylor’s work in raising awareness of science and technology in general, and aviation in particular, amongst young women across the world. In recognition of her role as leader of this aviation expedition, and all it achieved, Tracey Curtis-Taylor is awarded the Master's Medal for 2016.

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Old 27th Oct 2016, 04:22
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Thanks for that, JS.
So .. the HCAP have now pruned it down to just what a shining example she is to young women, hmm?
Other women pilots might have differing views on that.

p.s. The phrase "clutching at straws" comes to mind.
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Old 27th Oct 2016, 04:27
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This paragraph is pure spin.

This was a singularly spectacular and successful advertisement for women in aviation, worldwide. Whether young women witnessed the flights directly, or indirectly by following social media or press campaigns, many will have been inspired by this ‘bird in a biplane’. In many of the countries en route and where Tracey and her team stopped-over, refuelled or put-on demonstration flights, a woman driving a car is almost unheard of, let alone flying a plane. Consider the impact that seeing a woman in the cockpit had on many of those young, impressionable women.
No mention of young men being inspired by Ewald.

None of this explains the deliberate attempt to edit him out of all press coverage or accept the solo certificate from the Australian Women Pilots Association.
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