PPL: JAA to EASA convert and add Night Rating

[rikesh]

Hello,

I apologise if this has been asked already (and I have no doubt it has) but my search hasn't found a definitive answer.

I have recently completed the required training for a Night Rating.

I hold a JAA PPL due to expire later this year (five-year period).

If I submit SRG1126 (Application for a Night Rating) along with SRG1104 (conversion from JAR to EASA) with £73 (scheme of charges for replacement of a JAR licence with an EASA licence), will they add the Night Rating onto my newly issued EASA licence?

Or will they expect payment for both issuing a converted licence and adding the Night Rating (£89)?

So my total will be either:
£73 (JAR to EASA) + £6 (courier) = £79; OR
£73 (JAR to EASA) + £89 (Night Rating) + £6 (courier) = £168.

Thanks in advance for your guidance on this.

[Gertrude the Wombat]

If you've managed to work out how to fill in the SRG 1104 at all you're doing better than me - I've been trying to work it out for months now.

I have never suceeded in working out the correct amount to pay the CAA. I just give them my credit card number and leave the amount blank on the forms, on the grounds that (a) that works and (b) that's better than have them sit on the paper work for several months and then send it back because I'd calculated the amount wrongly.

[RedKnight]

I tried this approach once and it turned out that they miscalculated and hence billed me for the wrong amount the first time around - an error that was caught during the final review process just before mailing the license out. That delayed the process considerably as they sat on the paperwork and contacted me to retrieve my billing details again, since the original details were shredded as soon as the payment was made. So leaving the form blank and deferring responsibility for the fee calculation to the CAA is no guarantee that you'll be able to avoid delays in the process - but that said, it's probably still a sensible approach for those who otherwise don't fully comprehend the scheme of charges.

[Level Attitude]

You are applying for, and will need to pay for, two things:
1 Conversion of JAR to Part-FCL Licence
2 Initial Issue of Night Rating

[thing]

And don't fear the way it's written on the new license; under the 'Ratings, certificates and privileges' bit it says 'Night:nil'. That's their way of telling you you have a night qualification.

[Whopity]

bit it says 'Night:nil'

What it actually says is: Ratings, certificates and privileges: Night/ Remarks and Restrictions: Nil

[rikesh]

Thank you for your responses, I really appreciate your support.

I have called CAA to clarify and they confirmed the following:

1. I need to fill both forms SRG1126 (Application for a Night Rating) along with SRG1104 (conversion from JAR to EASA).

2. I need to pay both fees £89 (Application for a Night Rating) and £73 (conversion from JAR to EASA) in addition to £6 (courier fee). Total £168.

3. Within SRG1104, Night Rating details can be written in either section 5 (Ratings held) or section 7 (Conversion of additional ratings) - I will probably write in section 7 as the level of detail required seems more appropriate for the Night Rating.

New questions relating to SRG1104 section 9 (Flying experience)

All my flying has been in single-pilot aircraft (C-152, C-172, PA-28 and the likes); in the capacity of P1, P1S or PUT. For single-pilot aircraft, the form only asks for time as Pilot In Command (P1). Does this mean I do not need to state my dual time (with an instructor) at all?

Also, does P1S count towards P1 time?

Thanks again for helping me along this journey!

[thing]

What it actually says is: Ratings, certificates and privileges: Night/ Remarks and Restrictions: Nil

Says Night in one box and in the next box to it it says Nil.

Oh yeah, see what you mean, at the top of the page. Not very clear though.

[V1 VR V2]

Hi all,

I now have a JAR Greek CPL MEIR and completed my ATPL exams with the UK CAA via BGS, i also hold a UK CAA Class one medical.

I had to convert my licence to a Greek one for some commercial work i was doing out there however i have been back in the UK now for a year and have been flying in a private group on my Greek licence.

I now want to convert it back to a UK CAA EASA licence and i have received very little help from the CAA on which forms to complete etc.

Does anyone have any advice on what i need to do or been through the process themselves and can share feedback?

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

V1

[rikesh]

Update

Here is what I have sent to the CAA (along with all the actual documentation described in the cover letter)...

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COVER LETTER

I have recently completed Night Rating training and would also like to convert my JAR PPL into an EASA license.

I have enclosed two applications:

• SRG1126: Application for Night Rating
• SRG1104: Application for EASA PPL – conversion of an existing JAR PPL

I have also enclosed supporting documentation:

• Original logbook
• Copy of Flight Crew Licence (JAA PPL)
• Copy of Flight Radiotelephony Operators Licence
• Copy of Certificate of Revalidation (SEP rating)
• Copy of Class 2 Medical Certificate
• Copy of photo ID (UK Driving Licence)

All copies have been certified by head of approved ATO.

I already hold English Language Proficiency at level 6.

According to the CAA Scheme of Charges, the following charges apply:

• Application for Night Rating: £89
• Application for EASA PPL – conversion of an existing JAR PPL: £73
• Courier fee: £6

I have therefore enclosed a cheque for the total of £168, which will cover all applicable charges.

I trust this is clear but please call me on [number] or email [email address] if there is any further information required.

Many thanks
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Wish me luck!

[rikesh]

Success

New licence received via FedEx on 17 Mar with Night Rating endorsement and all other details correct.

Hope this post helps someone, some day.

[mrmum]

Night Rating Application

Hi Callum,
Have you completed the NR course to add it to an existing EASA licence?
If so, you should be using form SRG1126 v5. This has no requirement for any language proficiency, as you will already have that at level 6.

If you're applying for a NR at the same time as an EASA licence, then the language proficiency is certified on the course completion certificate your ATO will create. The language assessment can be done by your FE or RT examiner, assuming as you say, it's your native language and you're level 6.

[mrmum]

When you say "brown PPL". Is it a pre-JAA, UK PPL, or a JAR-FCL licence?

[squidie]

I had to do this, I had my NR to apply for, EASA upgrade and the 2 year (didn’t qualify 12hrs etc) revalidation all at once. I sent it down to the CAA, paid about £100 approx and received it back with no issues except an admin error.


From what I can remember I paid for the EASA upgrade and the NR application.