Flying night VFR without licence back?

[Dave Wilson]

Must be a misstype, mine is 'IR(R)'. Wouldn't worry about it, you're not going to fly into the ground in IMC because of a misstype on your license are you.

[OhNoCB]

I would most certainly like to hope not!

Merely pointing out some inconsistency in something which really ought to be (especially considering the cost) consistent.

[Dave Wilson]

We are talking CAA here. Accurate typing is an extra fee...

[S-Works]

I may have not been clear, I appreciate it would be an IRRE but my point here is that he does not have IRRE, but has IRR(A) which the CAA assured him was correct in EASA speak for IRRE. He also has IR(R) for an IMC rating.

I on the other hand do not hold any IRRE privileges, but have an IMC rating and the corresponding entry on my licence is "IRR(A)".

According to the CAA the entry for the IMCr is now IR(restricted). On my licence it is entered this way and my IR is entered as IR(A).

No examiner ratings are entered on the licence we have them on a separate page and the is no IRR(A) it is a CRE with IR revalidation privileges listed in what we can do. I have never seen a standalone IR revalidation rating.

The CAA make made a right dogs dinner of entering ratings into licences and its making a nightmare of a job for us as examiners as they come around for renewal and revalidation to know what to put on the forms. It has led to a lot of phone called recently.

[Whopity]

Its fair to say the paperwork now takes longer than the test it is recording;
and nobody understands it from the originator to the recipient!

[englishal]

From the CAA Standards doc:

IRR: Instrument Rating Revalidation privileges

So by virtue of my FAA IR I now have an IRR(A)....Nice, I guess I don't need to do the CBM IR after all. Thank you CAA !

[S-Works]

Nice try...... Having Instrument rating revalidation privileges is embedded within another examiner rating, it is not a licence rating.

The IRR(A) is not the first case I have seen of a lack of continuity.

I have seen in the last couple of weeks:

For IMCr
IRR(A)
IR(Restricted)

For IR(A)

IR(A)
Instrument
IR-SP-nonHPCA
IR SE
IR SP ME Class

In my licence my IR(A) appears in Section XII as Instrument. In the Certificate of revalidation page it appeared originally as IR SP non HPCA and then became IR SP ME Class as well as the type rating specific entries.

The IMCr now appears as IR (Restricted) in both sections.

There are other anomalies as well on things like my FI(A), CRI SE/ME and IRI(A) that don't match other company pilots.

On speaking to the CAA the answer is 'don't worry' its all correct!!!

Mind you its still does not get over the stupidity of having the entire rear of lthe licence with 'Intentionally Blank' on it and having to use separate revalidation pages for my ratings!!

[cockney steve]

@Dave Wilson, # 17 &#19

Dave, What makes you think all us non-pilots are as thick as pig5h1t and incapable of understanding the nuances and increased risks of IFR and Night flight?

sorry, mate, it's only a bit of paper you earned jumping through a few hoops... it doesn't confer common-sense, intelligence or god-like insight.

certain people I'd happily fly in a SEP at night/IFR with....others, i'd decline a trip in perfect conditions......Know your man (or woman!)

[Cusco]

I have both an IR (Single engine only) and a IMCr

On my EASA licence these are described as IR-SP-SE (=IR) and IRR(A) (=IMCr).

On my retained UK Licence these are described as IR-SP-SE and IMC respectively.

Good enough for me.

Cusco

[Dave Wilson]

Dave, What makes you think all us non-pilots are as thick as pig5h1t and incapable of understanding the nuances and increased risks of IFR and Night flight?

I never said you were! I was a non pilot once, I can't remember being any dumber than I am now... The point is Steve I'm responsible for you both legally and morally if you fly with me. I wouldn't feel happy taking a passenger up at night. Another pilot is fine, if anything happens to me (I'm not in the first flush of youth) they can get back on the deck safely. Others may disagree but that's the way it is with me. The buck stops with the aircraft commander, it's my decision and one that I'm sticking with. Other aircraft commanders can do exactly as they please.